bobandbill
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They could do these so-called 'features' any other way they wanted though, so I think it's silly to dismiss it as not-canon. They (Game Freak) never even needed to put them in, yet the did. Found in the games which are official, so hence they are canon. How many times must it be stated that things in the official games are canon? Just because they were 'caught' before doesn't mean there couldn't be more than one (also, Johto legendary beasts also in Colosseum), nor that they could have been released. That's the real point, so stop trying to come up with 'oh how can it be in the cave again in hg/ss?' However it happened, it happened in an official game, and there's no changing that.The Birds may or may not have multiples, but the Beasts and Mewtwo, for example, do not. The Beasts presence in FrLg and Mewtwo in HGSS aren't canon, because they were already caught. They're simply features included to allow you to catch them and shouldn't be treated as outright canon.
I didn't say they're refusing to fight necessarily - they may fight but be too weak to actually get stronger (like, say, a trainer going through the games with level 20 pokes and catching a Hoppip which knows... Splash). If they can't work with their trainer successfully then they may be dumped because of their weakness. I'd go on at length at the many ways this would work, but I don't see much point, especially if you keep on sticking to one version of your own.You only get stronger through fighting, so a Pokemon refusing to fight because they're too weak yet still somehow want to get stronger is a contradiction.
And your point being? You also conveniently skipped over the other points raised thanks to footprint guy.And why do they want to get stronger? For mates, territory, food, etc. There's no Pokemon that wants to get stronger for the sake of getting stronger. That's all I'm saying.
Yet the movie does not state he is a legendary Pokemon at all. It shows Lucario next to them, but that does not make him one. (As other parts of the anime which is directly linked to the movies show). And the thing is, the 'uber-tier' Pokemon are what everyone else is talking about.That's exactly my point. I don't believe Lucario is a legendary, yet the movies states he is... The opening montage showed every single legendary Pokemon in the entire series... and Lucario. No other Pokemon was shown but the legendaries and Lucario. My point is that "legendary" is a fluid term that can be applied in any way and shouldn't be restricted to uber-tier, "get a movie" Pokemon.
Then what does it have to do with Growlithe supposedly wired to be loyal and not needing brainwashing? As you said, why bring it it? You brought it up, indicating you thought it did, and if you didn't, then all you've done is gone in a circle, with the point raised by others and myself still staying.I never said Growlithe are bred. If you read my post again, I said dogs are bred.
I have though, and it runs by the same canon as XD does, which you have definately talked about. Don't go about sidestepping the issue that you made stuff up and claimed the opposite of what the games really said.I've never talked about Colosseum before now. All I've said are things I've read about the game, or I've seen my brother do when he plays the game.
If you cannot see how your posts indicated that you treated them differently, or saying stuff like 'Yellow isn't canon', then there's no helping you, I'm afraid. Accept your mistakes and move on instead of trying to save face.I never said new canon wasn't true. I just said it was new. FrLg and HGSS are new, or expanded, canon of the previous games. They're mor relevant than the previous games. Again, I never said I don't believe them or that they're different.
Wrong. In fact I wasn't talking about their intelligence at all. You said the following:Because you started arguing with me about a throwaway post about how I feel about Pokemon intelligence.
Which is clearly wrong going by the games' canon.The games and manga state Pokemon don't fight in the wild. Humans makes them.
Then why did you say before, like quoted directly above, that they don't fight in the wild, and only humans make them? Right there is you changing your viewpoint, and then pretending it never happened. Kinda pointless lying like that. And the fact still remains that for one way, you're wrong, and the other point really doesn't prove anything in this debate - not many people or creatures actually do anything for no reason, so your point it...?I haven't changed my viewpoint. From the very beginning I've said Pokemon don't fight for no reason in the wild.
Again talking about breeding animals when game canon indicates that this has not happened with Pokemon... although above you claimed you didn't say it applied to Pokemon, why do you then to to apply it to Pokemon when it doesn't work? (And I did not see any reply to any points in his previous post, myself until you edited it in. =/ The less said about the points raised there, the better...)What are you talking about? I responded to your post.
Badges aren't necessary to influence Pokemon you caught yourself because you've already undergone the process of taming them. It would be rather redundant to smack a wolf and train it to be domesticated if you'd already raised it since a pup, and has already had the benefit of generations of breeding.
Ypu sure imply it, and again, you did say stuff like 'Yellow isn't canon'.Yes, exactly what I said. New canon is, once again, canon that has been expanded or retconned so takes precedence over older canon.
But the games do not support the former, which is the argument. Where is the evidence for that that we have asked for in relation to this? Time and time again you have not shown us - just said 'the manga says it!' and then passing it off as game canon which it isn't.I never said that. I've said many times that Pokemon aren't always influenced by badges or Pokeballs, but sometimes by friendship or being raised.
Can we see this then? And can you finally accept it is not game canon (as it differs so very much from the games, as you can see)? And again, ironically your points about what they do in the games are more features than anything else you have claimed... well, look at parts of Dragonfree's post on this, I can't be bothered repeating that.The manga states that badges influence Pokemon, traded or not, to obey, as well as fuse Pokemon and summon a giant legendary. In-game, they also boost(ed) stats and allow you to use HMs.
Newsflash - we weren't talking about those 'versions' of legendary Pokemon. So stop repeating that - there's no point as it has naught to do with this debate like so many other things, and you were rebutting something we never said, as we were talking about a different meaning of 'legendary' altogether.I never said Slowpoke was on the same level of Lugia. I made it my entire point that there are different levels and kinds of legendary, of which one kind Slowpoke is.
The rest is generally just on a completely different topic and I don't feel like going on those points as well. But yet again, you are no closer to proving your previous statements you DID say, and have instead going on unrelated tangents and tried to cover yourself up for your mistakes without admitting them. Great. -_-