Are we too soft?

This is now your fourth reply to me specifically. Don't start separating them now, because it's true. This is indeed your fourth comment directed at me specifically. You want to nitpick and cherry pick how many comments you made to me using some special IKEA set of rules that I don't have the directions to.

You linked me to a Google search of the entire world pop. Which means absolutely jack shit. Why? Because the actions of few can sway many. Just to point out there are about 7 billion people on the planet? An argument I never made?

Millions of Americans, meaning people who live in the US and reside within its borders, believe in this "cops are killers" bullshit that you just bought into. That they believe those that criticize any religion, any faith are savages. Except Christianity. Sure attack them all you want. Regardless of the fact that most of 2016s terrorist attacks drew their beliefs from the Muslamic faith.

You completely ignored the mention of Sharia, and decided to place Christianity in its place. I stated "one" of the most dangerous religions, that being Muslim because if you knew anything... Sharia. Stonings still happen, beheadings still occur, the raped are punished and the rapists are rewarded (by not getting stoned to death). This is fact, this is true.

You didn't even bother to read what I said. You didn't do your research into our police force, and I think it is safe to assume you didn't read any portion whatsoever of the Koran, much less the Bible or a slew of other grimoires or religious texts.

It is true that people call those that criticize the Muslim faith racist. I've seen it happen. I've seen it on video. I've seen it in a library and in a barracks. A reprimand for arguing freedom of choice, which the women in the Muslim faith have none.

My fault for even arguing with someone that doesn't even address the true fact, that under the Muslim faith, in Sharia Law, that grown men can in fact, legally according to their texts, wed a child far below the legal age and have sexual intercourse with her while she is still a child. An infant. A faith that not only condones this, but the mother and father accept this. A religion that still practices clitoral mutilation. A religion that prevents the teaching and learning of women. Where Stoning a woman who is brutally raped, wholly against her will, is acceptable punishment for the woman. Where without a man escorting her about is a punishable offence, where a woman cannot sing, a religion that teaches boys that it is okay to rape, where women are for reproduction and keeping 10 year old boys around 'for pleasure' to sodomize is acceptable, and attacking the rapist/pedophile will cost you your entire career. Women are trapped behind their burkas, unable to show their face, lest they be beaten. Where women can't talk back, defend themselves, or seek out aid. So just sit there and ignore that stuff. Ignore that the rich and famous add fuel to the fire by standing by the Muslim faith in its entirety, without ever actually reading or understanding that it promotes the slaying of infidels, meaning everyone not of their faith. That millions of Americans believe people are racist for challenging this horrid belief system is an uncomfortable thought.

So just keep sending useless links and keep sending me wiseass PMs, but as far as I'm concerned you're disgusting. Promoting an agenda you haven't looked into. Accepting with open arms a religion that fuels hatred and disregard for human life. A belief that learning is wrong.

So keep on keeping on. At least you can say you have the stoners, rapists, clit mutilators and beheaders at your side. Because that is what the Muslim faith is. Even the religious figurehead himself, Muhammed, married a six year old! At least Muhammed was forgiving and kind enough to bang her when she was nine or ten. A nine year old! Am I on crazy pills here? You find that okay?

Wanna defend them, go on right ahead. Keep telling yourself the media makes it all up. Don't even bother to pick up the book and actually read it, Mohammed forbid! Just keep defending them. Just keep calling me a liar, a crook, and old fogey. Don't learn anything for yourself, because that's the way Mohammed wants you to be. Glad to see you have a firm opinion on defending the rapists, because that is exactly what they are promoting.

But like you said. I live in a fantasy land, so the Muslim faith probably fits somewhere between the Lamia and the Ogre in the book of make believe.

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Our fellow PC member just game the best answer! "Are we getting soft?" Duuhhh, naaah, nowdays everyon is aware of what going on, even the little children understand things concern only grown ups, I won't deny there are actually exceptions, but the answer is a NO.

I agree with Coffeedrink on this one. I''m not saying that all Muslims are terrorists but you have to look at the facts and admit that islam has been committed by those who have drawn from the Islam faith and that's many things wrong like the fact that stonings still happen. But unfortunately for all the people affected by these crimes Islam is protected in a safe little bubble because apparently they can do no wrong and the "Evil Middle Aged Straight White Christian Man" is the source of all the problems in the world. What a load of bullshit.

There is a fine line between criticising parts of Islam which do not have a place in today's world (or ever) + the misuse of the religion for blatant evil, and using those criticisms of Islam to pass unbridled judgement on brown people as a whole, which tends to be the case when such condemnation is left unchecked.

Let's not mistake people disallowing racial hatred to blossom with being 'soft'.

Edit: typed on a phone that decides to do this to the word we've and words like it: we'very, we'recommend, they'really, it'seems. So sorry for that. Everything else...

I don't believe that is what's happening here. There have been clear cut cases where those that actively condemn the Islamic faith itself, for preaching hate and being a dangerous system designed to subjugate all other non-believers and murder them simply because they don'the believe, are shouted down and called intolerant and racist.

No one here believes in culling an entire race of people, except, apparently, for the newest movements that openly condemn white men and women specifically because they are white. But ai digress.

Unfortunately, the vast majority that live and reside in the middle east believe in Islam. The faith is so intolerant that even in the same faith there are major disagreements that have caused the people of the middle east to war amongst themselves for minute differences.

One difference that I can recall being on the debate whether or not to pray to Allah by placing your forehead directly on the ground or by placing one's forhead on a clay tablet while praying. To the same god. This is an ugly truth. They have killed eachother over this small and insignificant difference. That's even before we break out topics of the Shiites and the Sunni.

I'm not going to apologize this time. I openly condemn the Islamic faith as a whole. Just as I have decried Christianity in the past, I will decry the Islamic faith.

I have seen people shift topics on how Christians have persecuted others in the past. We're talking about the crusades, which happened a thousand years ago.

Well what about the Jewish faith? Hannakuh, if you didn't know, celebrates the entire genocide of a people. It's about lamp oil and what not, but from what I gathered a warrior slew an entire populace and severed their foreskinsand placed them at the feet (?) of god.

What about Buddhism? Buddha didn't become Buddha until roughly his late 30's to early 40's. Laying with women and what not. Even denouncing his father and his families wishes, which in many eastern cultures is an insane notion (not as bloody as many other religions, mind you. I have a point I am getting to your honor)

Don't forget Hinduism, where Shiva has so many forms it's almost as if it's schizophrenic.

All religions are flawed, however, once again we come down to this: which major world religions are currently practicing their book/belief system/dharma in total fashion? Are Christians going about drowning witches these days? Are they searching for the devil by way of thumb hanging? Not really, not so much.

The Islamic faith is, as a whole, totally unacceptable as it is now. Were they to 'christinize' themselves by not beheading a woman who dares show her face or 'let' herself be raped then maybe I'd ease up on them.

But I won't, because Christians aren't planting IEDs in the ground to blow off my friend's legs. They aren't waltzing into stadiums, magazine offices, marathons and gay bars and shooting people. Islam is. They are a threat. They are the bad guy. As long as they attempt to harm people in other countries, belittle the value of their own lives, then I see no reason why I should see fit to bend over backwards to see value for them. They want you to die. They want me to die. If they had the opportunity, everyone on this forum would be put to death, raped, stoned, or beaten severely. They have no sympathy, and should they get any? No. Never.

Think of this. Let's take everyone's favorite badguy, good 'ol Adolf (not good, sarcastic. also one of the only ways I know of hammering sense nails into people's skulls).

Adolf Hitler was the figurehead for one of the most heinous organizations to ever walk the earth (EA is up there, but not quite yet.) Despite what Himmler, Goering, Rudolph, Goebbels, and his entire cabinet believed, they are not superior to anyone (maybe the Oakland Raiders... maybe.)

Everyone rational can agree that Nazis are bad and the Allies were good. The Nazis believed that if you didn't go with them, you were against them. If you were an undesirable, being Jewish, black, gay, or against the party you were shipped off to a magical place where the nothing tree grows and the showers take care to put you at rest.

They took the gold from teeth, whipped, beat, murdered, skinned, segregated, tortured, maimed, burned, slaved, stole the Ark of the Covenant (okay, the last one may or may not be true, but you get the idea). The Nazis, who believed that their belief system was justified, was truth and just. The Nazis, who systematically destroyed an entire race of people. The Nazis, my Poké friend, we're charged with war crimes. Hunted to the edges of the earth, no matter how old or how long it took. The world would not rest until every last guard, warden, officer, cabinet member, torturer and other were brought to justice.

Now. Let's look at the similarities and the differences. The Nazis allowed women to go about their business. The Islamic faith does not. The Nazis supported genocide. The Islamic faith does as well. The Nazis tortured. Islam does as well. The difference between the two is that what the Nazis did was wrong, and they knew it. The Islamic belief system knows itself to be right and true, and no other beliefs can stand under penalty of death, as this is the will of Allah. They carry out this faith BELIEVING that what they do is right! How can you even begin to defend that?

There is very little to differentiate a belief system that promotes the killing of everyone that doesn't believe (and ACTIVELY commits heinous acts of terrorism and war) and the Nazi party. There is nothing that Islam has to offer that will promote a progressive technological Era, ever.

No one is saying we kill all the Muslims or 'brown' people. Even calling them 'brown', to me, shows a promotion of looking at and judging other's skin color. Calling terrorists 'brown' is almost unfair to all the other 'brown' races. Let's call them for what they are and not what they look like. It damages the rest of every Muslim by calling them 'brown' (and I'm sure more than a few Mexicans would take issue with lumping their color in with terrorists).

We are all entitled to our own opinions, but we are not entitled to our own facts. The fact is that, as a whole, the Islamic faith is still in huge practice and in full effect in more than a few countries around the globe (mainly in one concentrated area)

There is no 'misuse' of Islam. Islam is being carried out, truthfully, by radical terrorists. They follow their book to the letter by slaying the infidels (any and all non-believers, the gays, women that show their face, etc.), and millions of Muslims residing in the middle east do as well by killing women, preventing them from learning, slicing off their clitoris, keeping them locked up, treating them like property, and sexually abusing them. I have never really stood by any religion, but I would dare say that the vast majority of Christians do not believe that women are there to serve men, or believe in circumcision or killing pagans or anyone for that matter.

I've stated before and I will do so again. The Islamic faith and Sharia law, truthfully and willfully condone the serial abuse of children both male and female. A belief system that enables acts of pedophilia with girls and the sodomy of little boys. This real life belief system is continually acted upon. There are even some American Muslims that believe they should be able to act upon Sharia in the states themselves! Why is it so hard to believe? It's there in black and white and printed upon the pages themselves! This isn't a religion that deserves special protection or treatment because some Americans believe in it. No. You're wrong.

The US has tried to help these people (Believers in the Islamic faith), time and time again, but they have abused our aid numerous times. We've helped them in the 70's, the 80's, and the 90's. We've helped the Shiites and the Sunni. Helped them throw off Russian oppression (I think we should have kept the Russians in play, just to see Ivan Drago punch out Osama) by giving them the training, the tools, the weapons and ability to fight back and what do they do? They use our aid and turn it against us. They spit upon us and raise corpses of our soldiers high. They burn our flags and dance on our Graves.

Even Russia, an enemy we've had for DECADES, seems to have flipped. They see the writing on the wall. They just can't believe we're still trying to help these people (Islamic faith). They have constantly lashed out at anyone that has ever tried to help them. The UN tried to help. The Red Cross tried, even Russia herself has tried to stop these people from killing eachother with weapons that are against the Geneva Convention and code of ethics! The very Nature of Islam prevents us from ever being their friends. Even calling for a verification process is scoffed at by our leaders. The CIC, the SJWS, Hillary, and anyone else who lashes out at those who want everyone to be safe.

We can't even check these people out without being roared at by the apologists. We can't check to make sure these people are okay with gay people? With women working? With other skin tones? That is what was proposed and that is what was scoffed at. What is so mind boggling to me is that the people screaming at us for wanting to check these people out are the very same people that Islam would place first on the chopping block!

I don't condemn the Muslim people, because half (the woman half) of them wouldn't even have a choice in the matter anyway. I condemn the faith. It is a monstrous tool that exists solely to cause pain to those subjected to it.

The badguy come in all shapes and colors. I don't throw around color like what is happening now. I want the badguy. That is who I want. The people that argue skin color are the ones who cause the issues, I feel. The badguy is the badguy. He doesn't have a name, a color, or a specific shape. The badguy doesn't care who you are or what you do because at the end of the day the only color the badguy really cares about is the either the color of your money, or the red of your blood.

Make no mistake. Islam ACTIVELY PROMOTES, the raping of children, boys, girls, women and everyone in between. It is unapologetic and monstrous. The vast majority of terrorist acts within the past 30 years have been claimed by groups that follow sects and systems Islam has set forth. Not Buddhist, Christian, Mormon, Trekkies, the Force, etc. Islam.

In the name of Islam they go.

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun"

Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing: But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah. But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit, except those who are disabled, and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit. Unto each, Allah has promised good, but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit by a huge reward"

Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..."

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna and religion is all for Allah"

Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."

Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."

Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip. Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."

Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people."

Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant."

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place."

Quran (9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew."

Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."

Quran (9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are good things: and it is they who will prosper."

Quran (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs is the garden: they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme." How does the Quran define a true believer?

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction."

Quran (21:44) - "We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?"

Quran (25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..."

Quran (33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a slaughter."

Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet, those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly... If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them. But, in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost."

Quran (47:35) - "Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be Shakir, for Allah is with you,"

Quran (48:17) - "There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick. And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom."

Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves"

Quran (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His cause"

Quran (61:10-12) - "O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment. That you believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of'Adn- Eternity, that is indeed the great success."

Quran (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end."

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Sahih Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Sahih Bukhari (52:256) - The Prophet... was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They are from them."

Sahih Bukhari (52:65) - The Prophet said, 'He who fights that Allah's Word should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause."

Sahih Bukhari (52:220) - Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with terror'

Abu Dawud (14:2526) - The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal'

Abu Dawud (14:2527) - The Prophet said: Striving in the path of Allah is incumbent on you along with every ruler, whether he is pious or impious

Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah

Bukhari (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally."

Muslim (1:30) - "The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah."

Bukhari (52:73) - "Allah's Apostle said, 'Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords'."

Bukhari (11:626) - "I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those, who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes."

Muslim (1:149) - "Abu Dharr reported: I said: Messenger of Allah, which of the deeds is the best? He replied: Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause..."

Muslim (20:4645) - "...He did that and said: There is another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one hundred, and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to the height of the heaven from the earth. He said: What is that act? He replied: Jihad in the way of Allah! Jihad in the way of Allah!"

Muslim (20:4696) - "the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: 'One who died but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or determination) for Jihad died the death of a hypocrite.'

Muslim (19:4321-4323) - Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against unbelievers. His response: "They are of them."

Muslim (19:4294) - "When the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) appointed anyone as leader of an army or detachment he would especially exhort him... He would say: Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war... When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them... If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them."

Muslim (31:5917) - "Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: 'Allah's Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people?' Thereupon he said: 'Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger'

Muslim (31:5918) - "I will fight them until they are like us."

Bukhari 1:35 "The person who participates in Allah's cause and nothing compels him do so except belief in Allah and His Apostle, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty or will be admitted to Paradise."

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power."

Tabari 9:69 "Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us"

Tabari 17:187 "'By God, our religion from which we have departed is better and more correct than that which these people follow. Their religion does not stop them from shedding blood, terrifying the roads, and seizing properties.' And they returned to their former religion."
[Christian converts to the Islamic faith]

Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 484: - "Allah said, 'A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.'"

Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 990: 'I leapt upon him and cut off his head and ran in the direction of the camp shouting 'Allah akbar' and my two companions did likewise.'

Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 992: - "Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah."

Saifur Rahman, The Sealed Nectar p.227-228 - "Embrace Islam... If you two accept Islam, you will remain in command of your country; but if your refuse my Call, you've got to remember that all of your possessions are perishable. My horsemen will appropriate your land, and my Prophethood will assume preponderance over your kingship."

If we could try to get back on topic that'd be great, Islam is not exactly the topic here

We are too soft if we define soft as not acknowledging our reality and not facing the harshness, pain, and suffering around us. Not acknowledging others and their pain is softness because we do not have to endure the the consequences of our actions.

For instance, participating in capitalism is almost inescapable. We really do not have much choice even if we are cognizant of its impact on our able to create meaningful living for ourselves AND/OR how capitalism is a large pyramid scheme of sort in that we sustain our comfy living at the expense of billions of other people and their bodies. Likewise we are able to throw people in prison, treat them like rabid dogs, think of minorities as non-human, and not have to face the grave consequences. This softness is a product, in part of capitalism, but more broadly, paternalism. That is, bureaucracies and political elites make the choices that impact the lives of others, including ourselves. We often ignore the implications of the suffering that is cause, or fail to acknowledge certain statuses such as white privilege, male privilege, American privilege, and the counterparts who are harmed materially.

Basically, we are soft because we do not have to face our own oppression or the oppression of others to the same degree with material wellbeing.

We are not soft in so far as we are "compassionate", instead we often "coddle" people in a manner that never allows them to have free exercise of choice. For instance, we invest so much social WELFARE into white citizens and have done so historically through huge welfare stimuli including the New Deal and Great Society acts. Furthermore, our military investments have led to greater economic power domestically since WW2, as such in the US we have not even had to think about why we have material comfort and the price that is paid, nor do we think about how consumerism controls our consciousness, life choices, values, and identity. We do not know ourselves because we fail to acknowledge objective truths of our social arrangements.

True compassion is born out of the "hard" truth. Truth is not soft, it is painful and actually requires us to not simply be emotivistic/subjectivistic (in other words, think based upon our own short-sighted accounted of the world from our perspective) and rather we need to interrogate our perspective and understand that we do not actually exist unless we are conscious of our choices and either acknowledge our failing and continue to support oppression OR try to resist that system of oppression.

We need to be volumes tougher in this sense as individuals if we want to be free thinkers and actually exist on our own terms rather than being captive and automized participants.

Then again, people often just write me off as well as other critical scholars such as Karl Marx, Foucault, and Habermas pretty easily without much consideration. The truth is often too painful to actually take on as thus we have a sexist/gendered, racialized, heteronormative, religious (anti-secular), and anti-intellectual society. As someone who participates in a variety of resistance movements...it can be very painful coming to terms with our own exercise of oppression over ourselves and especially others.

Sidenote: When I list religious hegemony I refer to Judaism, Christianity, and Islam equally. Christianity is associated with Western hegemony, and thus could in many ways be considered a more prevalent force of coercion. Though, certainly religious perspectives on all fronts distort communication, and thus reason.

With videos like this being made from comedic channels to mock what has the U.S. become, it goes to show that we have gotten too soft.

Pinkie-Dawn said:

With videos like this being made from comedic channels to mock what has the U.S. become, it goes to show that we have gotten too soft.

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I would prefer to not rely on a comedic Youtube channel as proof of anything.

No, I don't think we're becoming 'too soft'. I think we're just finally listening to people who before would've been completely ignored. People have always been offended by these things but before, no one cared.

I mean, when you found out santa didnt exist for the first time, did you think 'Santa used to exist before now, now he's gone' or did you realise 'he never existed at all, i just didn't know that'? Just because you didn't listen before doesn't mean it never happened before.

I think it's fantastic that people from minority/oppressed groups are finally able to speak up about things that affect them, and that now people actually value them enough to treat them respectfully.

Some people are. But then, some people always have been. What is worrying is how much we're trying to appease people's needs for such nonsense as safe spaces.

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Some people are. But then, some people always have been. What is worrying is how much we're trying to appease people's needs for such nonsense as safe spaces.

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What problem do you have with safe spaces, exactly.

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What problem do you have with safe spaces, exactly.

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I value free speech. I do not understand why grown men and woman are plugging their ears to ideas they don't like. It's getting out of hand. See this. It's infantalising. These people are adults.

I don't think it's a generational thing THAT much, I think it's people just speaking out.
I see a lot of young Gen X'ers, millennials and Gen Z'ers speaking out about stuff like that.
Yes, they're coddled. Yes, they're being babies. No, the world doesn't hold any punches back.
You'll find a lot of the hugbox attitude on forums, specifically forum moderators. Not saying that the one's here do it or not, I wouldn't know I just came back. However I do think it's a small issue because people shouldn't be getting soft, they should stand strong. Free speech is a thing in the USA, like it or not. I don't like the "safe space" idea. I value free speech a lot. HOWEVER you should be respectful and mindful of others when you're talking. Some of us are frickin adults and we should not be going LALALALALALA every time someone says something we don't necessarily agree with or are familiar with. Take everyone's views into account even if you don't want to or plan on agreeing with them.

Does anyone have any first hand experience with safe spaces? They get brought up a lot, but to me I've never encountered them or known anyone who has and they just don't seem like anything that's going to catch on. They seem like more of an experimental college kid thing to me idk

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I value free speech. I do not understand why grown men and woman are plugging their ears to ideas they don't like. It's getting out of hand. See this. It's infantalising. These people are adults.

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Personally, I feel that the whole safe space thing has been blown out of proportion, and that word of mouth and lack of any actual experience with the topic leads to these weird exaggerations (similar to trigger warnings and the like). The basic idea is to signify that a college campus or what have you won't tolerate hate speech or harassment and that people from typically marginalised communities won't have to worry about discrimination. That does not infringe on free speech.

As for your link, shit happens, basically. There are going to be stupid people out there. Just because you here a few dumb stories about something doesn't mean it's inherently bad (and I think it's worth noting that woman in question fully supports the idea of safe spaces).

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Personally, I feel that the whole safe space thing has been blown out of proportion, and that word of mouth and lack of any actual experience with the topic leads to these weird exaggerations (similar to trigger warnings and the like). The basic idea is to signify that a college campus or what have you won't tolerate hate speech or harassment and that people from typically marginalised communities won't have to worry about discrimination. That does not infringe on free speech.

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You're right, it's a great idea on paper.

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As for your link, **** happens, basically. There are going to be stupid people out there. Just because you here a few dumb stories about something doesn't mean it's inherently bad (and I think it's worth noting that woman in question fully supports the idea of safe spaces).

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I'm not that woman, am I? I just linked an example of something dumb happening to support my point. I don't really care what the woman in question thinks about the situation.