Your arguments make completely no sense.
That's because I'm just making them up as I go. xP
I don't claim to be a Psychologist or Scientist...so I shouldn't speak as if I do. I mean, I have a basic understanding, but that's it. :/
Then you haven't finished enough classes, read the works of Maslow or delved into social psychology. Nevertheless, I never even mentioned psychology in this paragraph, I was merely stating genetics determined personality more than any other factor. You still have not answered my question -- how do you know without sufficient research or proof?
No, I don't know all there is to know about Psychology, so I definitely haven't had enough classes. I was basing my answer off the limited knowledge I have of the subject.
And you don't have to mention something for me to use it in a counter-argument.
The studies and articles I've read showed both sides, that genetics play a part and that they don't. Again, I haven't read all or even many studies or articles, thus my knowledge is limited.
I know through interaction with others and practicing.
Why? What makes the chart so special that an astrologer could not revise it the same way a physicist could easily revise string theory should he gain evidence that it is in fact false?
My point was that you can't change where the planets were at the time of birth from the perspective on the point on the earth where that person was born. It's not about adjusting the chart, it's about adjusting the definitions/descriptions/meanings.
In your previous post you referred to astrology as being "technically a science". It is NOT a science in any manner, form, or shape. A religious practice cannot be a scientific method at the same time. Astrology is a pseudoscience.
You are right. I looked up the literal definition, and Astrology does not fall within the realm of physical or natural studies. It's not a natural or physical study. It's completely spiritual.
And, semantically, pseudoscience is the accepted term, but I just don't like the idea of calling a spiritual/religious practice any kind of "science," even "pseudo.
False, psychology is all about personality. Diagnosing mental disorders is NOT in any way the role of psychology; that is the job of psychiatry, two very different things. Ugh.
That was the failing of my psychology professors and classes, then. But thank you for letting me know.
The 28 astrologers had a working understanding of the CPI! That's why they were chosen by the National Council for Geocentric Research (the astrological body) in the first place, aside from the fact that they were among the best astrologers in America.
What are you trying to imply? That the paper was unfair? That the statistical analysis was incorrect? That there were too many intervening variables?
How do you even explain the results, that even with a 50% margin of error the predictions were inaccurate and inconsistent with each other?
I wonder how they determined that they were "the best." Just curious.
And I wasn't implying anything because I went off on a tangent. I just think the study proved something about Astrology that I knew was true to begin with. If they were to define mental disorders, then that is something any and all Astrologers will misinterpret. Since they are told to find something, they will. But they don't truly know their current environment and what they childhood brought out of them, in particular. I just thought it was a foolish thing to study because, to me, it was obvious.
Sigh. Forgive me for being a tad bit aggressive, maybe look at it as passion for science the same way you have passion for astrology. I do take interest in Hellenistic astrology from time to time, but only as literature material.
No, I appreciate the criticism. I never shy away from disagreements and debates (especially ones so educated and informative). I like being made to think critically, and when I'm wrong, it's almost a thrill.
But, whenever I introduce the subject to people who've never had a reading, I say to take it with a grain of salt. I also say "I'm not a Psychologist/Psychiatrist, Counselor, Doctor, or anyone with a license that is certified to diagnose or cure anything." It's merely an interesting way to look at someone's personality and pinpoint possible conflicts with oneself or others. I only use it for reflection, not a cure.
I love reading about it in my own time I find it all very interesting. For one I notice a lot of people only know about their sun sign and had no idea that we're all born under a chart made up of houses, planets, signs, that influence different aspects of us.
To be honest I don't know why some people get so worked up about it. I think astrology is one of the many ways people use to understand things about themselves. I think we all want answers, we all want to understand ourselves more, why am I this way? Granted astrology may not be true at all, but it requires faith like other beliefs.
I know when I've read through my chart there is a lot that relates to myself, some say astrology is all just general listing so it will apply to you. Perhaps this is true. I think even if it may not be real it is just another way to look at the way you are or the things you do and see them in a different light. I've been studying tarot cards lately and there are some aspects of astrology that tie into the cards. The cards too are something you either believe in or you don't, simple as that. I've come to see that even if you don't believe and you do a reading anyway there are still lessons from each card that are useful for anyone.
Yeah, and that's just scratching the surface of Astrology. -_- It's exhausting to think about.
I think they have a problem with people trying to use Astrology as some form of legitimate counseling psychological evaluation. Atheists, in particular, will be quick to defend the provable, physical facts that prove Astrology cannot be true or trusted.
That's exactly the way in which I look at it. But I wonder, did you learn about the Qualities, Elements, and Energies of the Signs and what the Planets energies are and where, in one's life, the Houses are? I'm just wondering. But I've learned that any description about any of these things are not entirely complete and can be interpreted similarly, but also differently, depending upon who's interpreting what. I wouldn't mind reading your chart, only if you're curious to hear what I have to say and how that can differ from definitions on the internet or in books.
But be careful of "studying" Tarot. It's much more intuitive than Astrology. You shouldn't be reading any booklet or pamphlet about each card's meaning and if it differs due to orientation when it's pulled. How it's pulled, who pulls it, even who can touch the deck in general, and how it should be shuffled (if at all) is determined by the deck itself, which will be communicated to the owner. Still, one should never buy their own Tarot deck because, if you are even meant to have and practice with one, it is fated to you and you will find it or it will be gifted to you.
For example, my friend, who's a medium, bought me my deck. It was unusual that I was even present. But me and my girlfriend bought her deck while she waited outside. And she and I bought my girlfriend a deck when she wasn't even around.
Each of the decks were chosen because they synergized with the energy of the individual. And now, whenever each of us uses our decks, we don't flip through a pamphlet and read it word-for-word. Still, the way we lay out the cards and what they mean in that spread varies reading-to reading. It's meaning comes from what our intuition tells us from connecting with the energy of the deck itself and all the cards present at the time. We also don't do conventional spreads. We keep flipping or picking cards until it feels "right." Tarot is completely intuitive and only felt through aura/energy.
Pardon my insistence, but I wouldn't consider that an actual answer. Could you give a summary of that which is "much more to Astrology than just Signs"? And what do you mean by "that's the point"? Is the point of astrology simply to know a lot of things? And should we value knowledge for its own sake? What's the point of knowing something if you can't understand it? or use it? or if it doesn't matter whether you believe in it or not?
It wasn't meant to be a legitimate answer. The one thing you should know about Astrology is "value it as much as you care to."
And knowledge should be sought for its own sake all the time. We just live in a culture that doesn't value knowledge or research for the sake of greater understanding of the world. There are people that study religions they don't follow. There are people that study cultures that they don't follow or even agree with. The point is merely understanding that it exists and people use/practice it and for their own gains. If you actually wish to learn to use it, it will take years to fully understand everything there is to know about Astrology because it covers so much area in the metaphysical world and that there are different types and different ways in which to interpret and practice Astrology.
