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pknight96

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  • Heracross @ Heracronite252 Atk 4 Sp. Def 252 HP


    -Pin Missile
    -Close Combat
    -Rock Blast
    -Bullet Seed


    252 SpA Life Orb Sceptile Leaf Storm vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mega Heracross: 113-134 (31 - 36.8%) -- 72.8% chance to 3HKO (Not factoring Sp. Attack Drops)



    252 SpA Life Orb Sceptile Hidden Power Rock vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mega Heracross: 71-84 (19.5 - 23%) -- possible 5HKO


    252 SpA Life Orb Sceptile Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mega Heracross: 70-83 (19.2 - 22.8%) -- possible 5HKO



    252 SpA Life Orb Sceptile Giga Drain vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mega Heracross: 66-78 (18.1 - 21.4%) -- possible 5HKO




    252+ Atk Mega Heracross Pin Missile (5 hits) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Sceptile: 840-1000 (297.8 - 354.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO


    'Nuff said.
     

    Nah

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    Aegislash w/Leftovers
    Nature: Adamant
    Ability: Stance Change
    EVs: 252 HP, 252 Attack, 4 Sp.Defense
    Moves: Swords Dance, Iron Head, Shadow Sneak, King's Shield

    252+ Atk Mega Heracross Rock Blast (5 hits) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Shield: 70-85 (21.6 - 26.2%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
    252+ Atk Mega Heracross Bullet Seed (5 hits) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Shield: 70-85 (21.6 - 26.2%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
    252+ Atk Mega Heracross Pin Missile (5 hits) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Shield: 50-60 (15.4 - 18.5%) -- possible 8HKO after Leftovers recovery

    And since those attacks don't do much, it has time for 2 Swords Dances and then can:
    +4 252+ Atk Aegislash-Blade Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Heracross: 424-499 (116.4 - 137%) -- guaranteed OHKO
     

    Dark Azelf

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    Bisharp@Life Orb
    252 Atk / 252 Speed / 6 HP
    Trait: Defiant
    Adamant Nature
    - Knock Off
    - Iron Head
    - Sucker Punch
    - Swords Dance

    Resists everything and defiant makes Kings Shield useless. It can then Swords Dance or Knock Off all the items!
     
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    Conkeldurr@leftovers
    252 HP / 252 Atk
    Ability: Iron Fist
    Adamant Nature
    -Mach Punch
    -Drain Punch
    -Knock Off
    -Poison Jab/Ice Punch.

    Conkeldurr can tank any hits from bisharp, then Mach Punch can OHKO with Priority. Knock off slams psychic switch ins. poison jab ( i think conk can learn it) slams fairy switches, Ice punch slams flying switches.
     

    Nah

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    -Gyarados w/Leftovers
    Nature: Adamant
    Ability: Intimidate
    EVs: 156 HP, 72 Attack, 96 Defense, 180 Sp.Defense, 4 Speed
    Moves: Waterfall, Bounce, Dragon Dance, Taunt

    lols at Mach and Drain Punch, and Knock Off/Ice Punch/Poison Jab aren't terribly damaging either:

    -1 252+ Atk Iron Fist Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 156 HP / 96 Def Gyarados: 83-98 (22.4 - 26.4%) -- 21.5% chance to 4HKO
    -1 252+ Atk Conkeldurr Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 156 HP / 96 Def Gyarados: 89-105 (24 - 28.3%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
    -1 252+ Atk Conkeldurr Poison Jab vs. 156 HP / 96 Def Gyarados: 73-87 (19.7 - 23.5%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery

    Then happily Bounces on Conk's head until it suffers severe brain damage.
     

    Rayquaza2016

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  • Manectric @ Manectite
    Ability: Intimidate
    EVs: 128 SpA / 252 Spe / 128 Def
    Timid Nature
    - Thunderbolt
    - Volt Switch
    - Overheat
    - HP Ice

    Mega Manectric's Intimidate will lower the Gyarados's attack so Bounce and Waterfall will do nothing. (if Manectric did not switch in) Use a Thunderbolt and Gyarados is dead.

    Mega Manectric attacks Gyarados:
    128 SpA Mega Manectric Thunderbolt vs. 156 HP / 180 SpD Gyarados: 468-552 (126.4 - 149.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    Gyarados attacks with Waterfall to the Manectric that just switched in:
    72+ Atk Gyarados Waterfall vs. 0 HP / 128 Def Manectric: 153-181 (54.4 - 64.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (It survives!)

    Intimidated Gyarados attacks with Waterfall to the Mega Manectric:
    -2 72+ Atk Gyarados Waterfall vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Manectric: 75-88 (26.6 - 31.3%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
     
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    Swampert @ Leftovers
    Ability: Torrent
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
    Adamant Nature
    - Earthquake
    - Waterfall
    - Stealth Rock
    - Ice Punch

    128 SpA Mega Manectric Hidden Power Ice vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Swampert: 68-80 (16.8 - 19.8%) -- possible 7HKO after Leftovers recovery
    128 SpA Mega Manectric Overheat vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Swampert: 73-86 (18 - 21.2%) -- possible 7HKO after Leftovers recovery

    252+ Atk Swampert Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 128 Def Mega Manectric: 330-390 (117.4 - 138.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
     

    Rayquaza2016

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  • Venusaur @ Venusaurite
    Ability: Thick Fat
    EVs: 252 HP, 252 SpA, 4 Def
    Bold Nature
    -Leech Seed
    -Sludge Bomb
    -Giga Drain
    -Synthesis

    Swampert can't touch Mega Venusaur and Mega Venusaur can heal all of its HP back with Giga Drain.
     

    Nah

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    -Mega Scizor w/Scizorite
    Nature: Adamant
    Ability: Technician
    EVs; 252 HP, 252 attack, 4 Sp.Defense
    Moves: Bullet Punch, Bug Bite, Roost, Swords Dance
     

    Zeffy

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    Gliscor @Toxic Orb
    Ability: Poison Heal
    EVs: 252 HP / 184 Def / 232 Spe
    Impish nature
    - Substitute
    - Toxic
    - Earthquake
    - Protect

    Gliscor can come in, only really susceptible to Zapdos' Heat wave, which only has a low chance of a 4HKO. From then, once Gliscor has a sub up, Zapdos is perpetually stalled and Gliscor can just wait for Zapdos to faint due to Toxic.
     

    Dark Azelf

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    Excadrill@Air Balloon
    252 Atk / 252 Speed / 6 HP
    Adamant Nature
    Trait: Sand Rush (active)
    - Swords Dance
    - Iron Head
    - Earthquake
    - Rock Slide

    ^ Is why SubToxic Gliscor sucks. Something it should be countering (and is one of the best counters in the game to) walls it lol. :P
     

    Avatar358

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  • Hawlucha @ Air Balloon
    Ability: Unburden
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 Def
    Adamant Nature
    - Roost
    - High Jump Kick
    - Brick Break
    - Swords Dance
     

    Zeffy

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    Gourgeist-Super @ Leftovers
    Ability: Frisk
    EVs: 252 Def / 4 Atk / 252 HP
    Impish Nature
    - Leech Seed
    - Will-O-Wisp
    - Protect
    - Shadow Sneak

    walled
     

    Nah

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    -Pyroar w/Life Orb
    Nature: Timid
    Ability: Unnerve
    EVs: 252 Sp.Attack, 252 Speed, 4 Defense
    Moves: Fire Blast, Hyper Voice, Hidden Power Ice, Dark Pulse

    Pumpkins burn fairly easily.
     

    Zeffy

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    Suicune @Leftovers
    252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
    Bold nature
    - Scald
    - Rest
    - Sleep Talk
    - Calm Mind

    cro-cune'd
     

    Boilurn

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  • Nasty Plot Simisage is a good check, resisting Scald and OHKOing with a Life Orb +2 Leaf Storm after a Calm Mind boost.

    Simisage
    Item: Life Orb
    Nature: Timid
    ~ Nasty Plot
    ~ Leaf Storm
    ~ HP Rock
    ~ Focus Blast
     

    KorpiklaaniVodka

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  • You should use something like Grass Knot over Leaf Storm on your Simisage.

    Anyway....

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    Latios @ Life Orb
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature

    - Calm Mind
    - Dragon Pulse
    - Hidden Power Steel
    - Psyshock / Roost

    Doesn't care about anything Simisage does, can set up a Calm Mind if it decides to set up with Nasty Plot, and 2HKOes with Psyshock. Hidden Power Steel is used on this Latios to catch some Fairy-type Pokemon and 2HKO them, whereas most of them can't OHKO back after a Calm Mind.
     

    PlatinumDude

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  • You should use something like Grass Knot over Leaf Storm on your Simisage.

    Anyway....

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    Latios @ Life Orb
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature

    - Calm Mind
    - Dragon Pulse
    - Hidden Power Steel
    - Psyshock / Roost

    Doesn't care about anything Simisage does, can set up a Calm Mind if it decides to set up with Nasty Plot, and 2HKOes with Psyshock. Hidden Power Steel is used on this Latios to catch some Fairy-type Pokemon and 2HKO them, whereas most of them can't OHKO back after a Calm Mind.

    FYI, STAB Psyshock does the same amount of damage as a 2x super effective HP Steel (in case you didn't know, Hidden Power got nerfed to a fixed base power of 60 instead of a potential power of 70 depending on IVs).

    Anyway:

    Klefki
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    -Spikes
    -Play Rough
    -Foul Play
    -Thunder Wave
    Nature: Impish
    EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Prankster

    Klefki takes nothing from Dragon Pulse, while shrugging off Hidden Power or Psyshock. It then cripples Latios with Thunder Wave or 2HKOs it with Play Rough.
     

    Apollo

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    Klefki
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    -Spikes
    -Play Rough
    -Foul Play
    -Thunder Wave
    Nature: Impish
    EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Prankster

    Klefki takes nothing from Dragon Pulse, while shrugging off Hidden Power or Psyshock. It then cripples Latios with Thunder Wave or 2HKOs it with Play Rough.

    Swampert @ Leftovers
    Ability: Torrent
    Nature: Modest
    252 SpA / 252 HP / 4 SpD
    - Earth Power
    - Surf
    - Rest
    - Sleep Talk

    Earth Power should be able to finish it off with one hit or two. If the battle somehow lasts longer than expected, then the classic Rest + Sleep Talk combo should work.
     
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