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Counter that Pokemon! (READ THE FREAKING FIRST POST)

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    Rotom-Heat @ Choice Specs
    Ability: Levitate
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Overheat
    - Volt Switch
    - Hidden Power Grass
    - Thunderbolt
     

    Professor_Jared

    Mr. Fish trainer
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    Latias@Life Orb
    Ability: Levitate
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 72 HP/184 Special Attack/252 Speed

    Defog
    Draco Meteor
    Psyshock
    Roost

    252 SpA Choice Specs Rotom-H Overheat vs. 72 HP / 0 SpD Latias: 109-129 (34.1 - 40.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

    184 SpA Life Orb Latias Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Rotom-H: 220-259 (91.2 - 107.4%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

    184 SpA Life Orb Latias Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Rotom-H: 136-161 (56.4 - 66.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    Well, it's been nice knowing ya brave, little microwave.
     
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    Scizor @ Scizorite
    Ability: Technician
    EVs: 252 HP / 164 Atk / 96 SpD
    Adamant Nature
    - Roost
    - Bullet Punch
    - U-Turn
    - Superpower
     

    Polar Spectrum

    I'm still here; watching. Waiting.
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    This thread, was really really really cool for a few posts there. It's still pretty swanky, but for a hot second a few pokemon that don't appear on every other page or so were runnin' this. Anywho.

    Qwilfish
    Item: Black Sludge
    Ability: Intimidate
    EV's: 252 Def, 252 Sp Atk *(sorry ><)
    Modest Nature
    -Hidden Power Fire
    -Hydro Pump
    -Sludge Wave
    -Taunt

    And hold onnnn, lemme do copy pastes from the damage calculator like all the cool kids on this one, because it's kinda funny.

    252+ SpA Qwilfish Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 96 SpD Mega Scizor: 156-184 (45.3 - 53.4%) -- 34% chance to 2HKO


    -1 164 Atk Technician Mega Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Qwilfish: 33-39 (12.1 - 14.3%) -- possible 7HKO
    -1 164 Atk Mega Scizor Superpower vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Qwilfish: 43-51 (15.8 - 18.8%) -- possible 6HKO
    -1 164 Atk Mega Scizor U-turn vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Qwilfish: 38-45 (14 - 16.6%) -- possible 7HKO

    lol

    looking forward to what slays the qwilfish
     
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    Vileplume
    Item: Black Sludge
    Ability: Chlorophyll
    EV's: 252 HP, 224 Sp. Def, 28 Sp. Atk
    Bold Nature
    -Sludge Bomb
    -Giga Drain
    -Hidden Power Rock
    -Sunny Day

    Qwilfish's extra 252 EV isn't set up there so I did 3. This is the one for 252 Sp. Atk:

    28 SpA Vileplume Giga Drain vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Qwilfish: 145-172 (53.5 - 63.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery

    252 HP:

    28 SpA Vileplume Giga Drain vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Qwilfish: 145-172 (43.4 - 51.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery

    252 Sp. Def:

    28 SpA Vileplume Giga Drain vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Qwilfish: 102-121 (37.6 - 44.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery


    Biggest problem for it would be getting off that Sunny Day to increase its speed since Qwilfish has Taunt (which shouldn't really be happening anyway since HP Fire gets a boost in damage if it has it). HP Fire does less damage than Sludge Wave but since Vileplume can't be poisoned it can easily take a few hits.
     
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    Nah

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    -Mega Aggron w/Aggronite
    Nature: Impish
    Ability: Filter
    EVs: 252 HP, 8 Defense, 248 Sp.Defense
    Moves: Heavy Slam, Earthquake, Ice Punch, Thunder Wave

    lols at all 3 attacks, destroys with Ice Punch and/or Heavy Slam
     
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    Lapras
    Item: Assault Vest
    Ability: Shell Armor
    EV's: 4 HP, 128 Def, 252 Sp. Atk, 124 Sp. Def
    Modest Nature
    -Hydro Pump
    -Freeze Dry
    -Thunderbolt
    -Psychic

    252+ SpA Lapras Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 248 SpD Mega Aggron: 135-160 (39.2 - 46.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

    It'll be easy to revenge kill but I can at least take out Aggron XD
     
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    [insert sprite here]
    kyurem-b @ choice scarf
    teravolt
    252 atk / 68 spa / 188 speed
    naive nature
    -outrage
    -fusion bolt
    -ice beam
    -iron head

    idc anymore cube counters thats all :[ speed evs outrun +1 mega zard x and jolly scarf land-t.
     
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    Klefki
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Prankster
    EV's: 252 HP, 252 Def, 4 Sp. Def
    Relaxed Nature
    -Dazzling Gleam
    -Light Screen
    -Reflect
    -Flash Cannon

    0 SpA Klefki Dazzling Gleam vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Kyurem-B: 174-206 (44.5 - 52.6%) -- 21.5% chance to 2HKO

    Going to point out that Flash Cannon and Dazzling Gleam both do the same amount of damage to Kyurem-b (44.5-52.6%).
     

    PlatinumDude

    Nyeh?
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    The perfect opportunity to use this Mega here:

    Mega Camerupt:
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    -Fire Blast
    -Earth Power
    -Ancient Power
    -Will-o-Wisp
    Nature: Modest
    EVs: 248 HP/8 Def/252 SAtk
    Item: Cameruptite
    Ability: Solid Rock

    Obviously, Camerupt resists both of Klefki's STABs and can KO it with its own STABs:

    252+ SpA Sheer Force Camerupt Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Klefki through Light Screen: 312-367 (98.1 - 115.4%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

    252+ SpA Sheer Force Camerupt Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Klefki through Light Screen: 255-300 (80.1 - 94.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
     
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    I think that is a set for the regular Camerupt since Mega Camerupt doesn't have Solid Rock as an ability.

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    Mantine
    Item: Damp Rock
    Ability: Swift Swim
    EV's: 64 HP, 252 Sp. Atk, 192 Spd
    Modest Nature
    -Rain Dance
    -Hydro Pump
    -Air Slash
    -Ice Beam

    252+ SpA Mantine Hydro Pump vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Solid Rock Camerupt: 543-642 (158.3 - 187.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    I know it's a basic spread for Mantine but it can switch into an ancient power and shrug it off.
     

    Polar Spectrum

    I'm still here; watching. Waiting.
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    (I think he just meant solid rock before evolving)

    anywho

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    Lapras
    Item: Choice Specs
    Ability: Water Absorb
    EV's: 202 HP, 252 Sp Atk, 50 Sp Def
    - Freeze Dry
    - Hydro Pump
    - Thunderbolt
    - Psychic

    I didn't do the cool cid calc this time, but I'm fairly certain Lapras will tank Mantine, as well as annihilate with Freeze Dry.
     
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    Slaking
    Item: Assault Vest
    Ability: Truant
    EVs: 4HP, 252 Atk, 252 Sp. Def
    Adamant Nature
    - Giga Impact
    - Aerial Ace
    - Shadow Claw
    - Earthquake

    252+ Atk Slaking Giga Impact vs. 200 HP / 0 Def Lapras: 378-445 (98.4 - 115.8%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

    Assault Vest lets Slaking laugh at Hydro Pump and then run Lapras over with Giga Impact. I wanted to use Life Orb but Lapras would easily defeat Slaking. Same with Slake off but Truant is a real pain to try to make work. If it wasn't for base 100 speed and no EVs in Lapras' speed, I couldn't have used Slaking.
     

    Sopheria

    響け〜 響け!
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    Gurdurr
    Item: Eviolite
    Ability: Iron Fist
    EVs: 252 HP, 252 Atk, 4 Def
    Adamant Nature
    - Mach Punch
    - Drain Punch
    - Ice Punch
    - Knock Off

    252+ Atk Slaking Giga Impact vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Eviolite Gurdurr: 280-331 (74.8 - 88.5%)

    252+ Atk Iron Fist Gurdurr Drain Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Slaking: 278-330 (62.8 - 74.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    The Slaking will outspeed the Gurdurr, but the Gurdurr takes out the Slaking during the Truant turn.
     

    Nah

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    -Spiritomb w/Leftovers
    Ability: Wonder Guard Infiltrator
    Nature: Quiet
    EVs: 252 HP, 252 Sp.Attack, 4 Defense
    Moves: Dark Pulse, Psychic, Sucker Punch, Will-o-Wisp

    252+ SpA Spiritomb Psychic vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Gurdurr: 198-234 (52.9 - 62.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    252+ Atk Gurdurr Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Spiritomb: 94-111 (30.9 - 36.5%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

    It could even burn Gurdurr since it lacks Guts.
     

    PlatinumDude

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    Mega Houndoom (so Mega-happy nowadays):
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    -Nasty Plot
    -Dark Pulse
    -Fire Blast
    -Destiny Bond
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
    Item: Houndoominite
    Ability: Flash Fire

    As regular Houndoom, it can absorb Spiritomb's Will-o-Wisps with Flash Fire and power up Fire Blast to dangerous levels, then Mega Evolve and set up.
     
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    Hariyama
    Item: Focus Sash
    Ability: Thick Fat
    EVs: 252 HP, 252 Atk, 4 Def
    Adamant Nature
    - Close Combat
    - Knock Off
    - Poison Jab
    - Stone Edge

    252+ Atk Hariyama Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Houndoom: 444-524 (152.5 - 180%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    252 SpA Mega Houndoom Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Thick Fat Hariyama: 144-169 (29.2 - 34.3%) -- 3.6% chance to 3HKO

    Mega Houndoom might get 1-2 hits off Hariyama but Close Combat would swamp it easily. Knock Off, Poison Jab, and Stone Edge is for the next Pokemon as they defeat its weaknesses (Psychic, Fairy, and Flying, respectively). Focus Sash = No OHKO. I can't wait to see the next Pokemon :3
     
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    PlatinumDude

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    I really like the OR/AS Megas

    Mega Sableye:
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    -Calm Mind
    -Dark Pulse
    -Will-o-Wisp
    -Recover
    Nature: Bold
    EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
    Item: Sablite
    Ability: Prankster

    Even regular Sableye is only 3HKOed by Hariyama's non-Fighting attacks. Mega Sableye takes this excellent bulk up to 11:

    Regular Sableye calcs:

    252+ Atk Hariyama Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sableye: 98-116 (32.2 - 38.1%) -- 96.4% chance to 3HKO

    252+ Atk Hariyama Poison Jab vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sableye: 39-46 (12.8 - 15.1%) -- possibly the worst move ever

    252+ Atk Hariyama Knock Off vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sableye: 64-76 (21 - 25%) -- 0% chance to 4HKO

    Mega Sableye calcs:

    252+ Atk Hariyama Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sableye: 70-83 (23 - 27.3%) -- 59.7% chance to 4HKO

    252+ Atk Hariyama Poison Jab vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sableye: 28-33 (9.2 - 10.8%) -- possibly the worst move ever

    252+ Atk Hariyama Knock Off vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sableye: 46-55 (15.1 - 18%) -- possible 6HKO

    Also, Sableye can take advantage of Prankster Will-o-Wisps to burn Hariyama, then sit there and grab a Calm Mind boost or burn the next switch-in before Mega Evolving when needed.
     
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    Clefable @ Leftovers
    Ability: Magic Guard
    EVs: 252 HP / 160 Def / 96 SpD
    Calm Nature
    -Calm Mind
    -Moonblast
    -Flamethrower
    -Soft-Boiled

    What better way to counter a calm mind booster with another calm mind booster, rekt.
     

    Zeffy

    g'day
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    Talonflame @ Leftovers
    Ability: Gale Wings
    EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
    Careful nature
    - Bulk Up
    - Brave Bird
    - Roost
    - Taunt

    talonflame can stop clefable from setting up then start bulking up or whatever
     
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