Creative moveset/ev spread thread.

[Azonic]

Kingler @ Choice Band / Choice Scarf
Trait: Hyper Cutter
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Attack / 224 Speed / 32 HP
- Crabhammer
- Return
- X-Scissor
- Rock Slide

It surprised me once. I never would have expected a Scarfed fully offense Kingler. Scarf outruns a good amount of Pokemon, including Swellow. Choice Band makes a great revenge killer. Crabhammer gets a slight boost and a high critical hit rate, but at the cost of an accuracy drop. Unfortunately, Kingler can't access Waterfall... which is kind of retarded in my opinion. >_> Crabhammer and Return hits everything for neutral damage except Empoleon and Shedinja.

Kingler @ Salac Berry
Trait: Hyper Cutter
Nature: Adamant / Jolly
EVs: 252 Attack / 252 Speed / 4 Defense
- Crabhammer
- Substitute / Rock Slide
- Swords Dance
- Return / Flail

Weather is uncommon in UU, so Kingler pulls off this set rather well. Again, Water and Normal hits everything except Empoleon and Shedinja. The Salac Boost helps it outrun even Swellow.

Parasect @ Leftovers
Trait: Dry Skin
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 Attack / 252 Defense / 4 Sp.Defense
- Light Screen
- Counter
- X-Scissor / Stun Spore / Aromatherapy
- Spore

Watch Steelix switch in and try to Stone Edge you, but here comes counter. Steelix doesn't even OHKO Parasect with Adamant 252 Attack EVs when Parasect has Neutral 0 Defense, so Steelix poses no threat. After Counter, switch out and switch back in on a Water move and recover the damage. Parasect / Ninetales works fantastic.

 

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Pretty close to the same case as before. Just a slight tweak to the EVs is all you did...

Here's the specs Vaporeon I've been using. Working well so far. I use it to kill bulky waters, dragons, and to surprise on other things.

Vaporeon @Choice Specs
Bold: Water Absorb
188 HP/252 Def/70 SpA
Ice Beam
Surf
HP Electric
Wish

This is just the Wishpasser Vaporeon with Specs ._.

 

[Walrein]

But if the pokemon can't use the moveset well, it's bad. Wigglytuff doesn't benifit from any sort of stat boost other than defense. She is very frail as it is. That takes far too much prediction to use, with no real benifits. I do love Wigglytuff, i see potential, but stealing a CM - or should I say, maybe stealing a CM- won't help her, as she will get beaten next turn.

Dragon Dance, Outrage, Fire Blast, & Earthquake is a very good movepool. On Dragonite. Ttar can use it, but doesn't do it well.

That will be my Wigglytuff anyway.
Now...

Spoiler:

Lopunny@Iron Ball
Adamant/Jolly nature, Klutz trait
6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
~Fling
~Sky Uppercut/Low Kick/Jump Kick
~Ice Punch/Fire Punch
~ThunderPunch/Return
How cheap, yet how effective. Klutz prevents Iron Ball from effecting Lopunny, while giving Fling a base of 130 damage. This set could work wonders if Lopunny could learn Recycle or even Thief...

Spoiler:

Shuckle@Leftovers
Relaxed nature, Sturdy trait, 0 Speed IVs
252 HP/66 Atk/96 Def/90 SpD
~Gyro Ball
~Rest
~Sleep Talk
~Toxic/Stealth Rock/Encore/Knock Off
With 0 IVs and nature, Shuckle comes off with a pathetic 13 speed, what can actually give Shuckle a (relavently) powerful move. Recomended with Sand Stream. If this is for Trick Room, Use Power Trick and Earthquake insted of Rest and Sleep Talk, and use 252 defense EVs; Gluttony is usable there as well.

Spoiler:

Miltank@Leftovers
Adamant nature, Scrappy trait
118 HP/252 Atk/120 Spe
~Substitude
~Focus Punch
~Milk Drink
~Return/Body Slam/Zen Headbutt
Spiritomb and Sableye destroyer. Thankfully, both are slow, allowing Miltank to pour some EVs into HP, but that can be changed for more speed of devenses/HP for your needs. Get in a Ghost attack, Substitude it's status, and then hit with the unexpected Focus Punch. The last slot is optional as well-Return/Body Slam for STAB while Zen Headbutt hits Gengar harder.

Spoiler:

Absol@Scope Lens/Leftovers/Focus Sash
Adamant/Jolly nature, both traits work well so pick whatever you preffer
6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
~Perish Song
~Pursuit
~Night Slash/Sucker Punch
~Psycho Cut/Zen Headbutt/Stone Edge/Detect
Perish Song ahead, and just when the foe is escaping the death, Pursuit! The last slot is your choice-Detect is there just to drag the foe even more. Shed Sheel is so you won't be falling into Dugtrio's Arena Trap. Quite a suicide set, but it's worth a mention.
Absol also learns Mean Look, but it's a bit to frail for that.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Ughhh, no attacks should be used on shuckle, gyro ball will still do 2, its base attack is just too poor. With Power Trick, possibly, but otherwise, just no.


Just use Rest/Sleep Talk/Knock off/Toxic or something ...

 

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Lucario @ Petaya Berry
Modest
252 SpA/252 Spe/6 Def (30 HP IV)
Substitute
Agility
Focus Blast/Aura Sphere
Shadow Ball

SubPetaya sweeping Lucario is useful for late-game. Apostle used SubLucario before, and it did some heavy damage. However, it lacked the ability to outrun everything in the metagame, which is why Agility is there. Focus Blast and Shadow Ball hit everything for neutral, so type coverage isn't necessary.

 

[Syaoran]

Shuckle should never carry an attacking move, its Atk stat is pathetic and wasting EVs on that is even more pathetic.

Absol with Shed Shell? sounds like a bad joke. It doesn't fear Dugtrio because it can Sucker Punch. That Perish Song idea could be cool, but pokemon aren't so afraid of Absol so they'll just attack him (and probably kill him, being so frail).

 

[sims796]

I don't really think this thread is doing so well. Creative doesn't always mean sucessful. I know that isn't the point, but seriously, just because it's creative, doesn't mean it'll work.

For instance, Fling on Lopunny? Vastly inferior to Trick. Sure, 130 base power dark attack. Now, you are out of a move AND an item, and coming from a base 76 attack, I doubt it's hurting much. & Perish Song on Absol? It's both slow & frail. Why not just wipe it out on the spot, then switch?

 

[Walrein]

Shuckle should never carry an attacking move, its Atk stat is pathetic and wasting EVs on that is even more pathetic.

Absol with Shed Shell? sounds like a bad joke. It doesn't fear Dugtrio because it can Sucker Punch. That Perish Song idea could be cool, but pokemon aren't so afraid of Absol so they'll just attack him (and probably kill him, being so frail).

I changed the item, your'e right about that.
I was just trying to make something original, after all, Gyro Ball will be "powerful".

I don't really think this thread is doing so well. Creative doesn't always mean sucessful. I know that isn't the point, but seriously, just because it's creative, doesn't mean it'll work.

For instance, Fling on Lopunny? Vastly inferior to Trick. Sure, 130 base power dark attack. Now, you are out of a move AND an item, and coming from a base 76 attack, I doubt it's hurting much. & Perish Song on Absol? It's both slow & frail. Why not just wipe it out on the spot, then switch?

I have to agree with you, expecially about your first statement. But that's the topic, and it's a creative topic to say, so let's keep it on.

 

[sims796]

No, the topic is to make sets that is viably useful in the compettitive enviorment. A few were pretty good, I like Vance's Vire set. But there are too many sets that has no real afterthought. It is along the same lines as SpecsChomp-novelty for the sake of novelty. Sure, SpecsLudicolo sounds like it was really thought of, but many of these sets are the same things, with a slight change in the EVs. I mean, Fling? Does that have any real merit?

Sceptile@ATK Berry
Nature:Timid
Substitute
Swords Dance/Dragon Claw
Leaf Blade
Thunderpunch
EV:252 ATK, 252 HP

Standard Sub sweeper, good for late game. Boosted by Overgrow.

 

[Walrein]

No, the topic is to make sets that is viably useful in the compettitive enviorment. A few were pretty good, I like Vance's Vire set. But there are too many sets that has no real afterthought. It is along the same lines as SpecsChomp-novelty for the sake of novelty. Sure, SpecsLudicolo sounds like it was really thought of, but many of these sets are the same things, with a slight change in the EVs. I mean, Fling? Does that have any real merit?

Sceptile@ATK Berry
Nature:Timid
Substitute
Swords Dance/Dragon Claw
Leaf Blade
Thunderpunch
EV:252 ATK, 252 HP

Standard Sub sweeper, good for late game. Boosted by Overgrow.

Timid? Jolly, I know that's a mistake.
And please keep this topic on, it's simply great.

 

[Sora_8920]

No, the topic is to make sets that is viably useful in the compettitive enviorment. A few were pretty good, I like Vance's Vire set. But there are too many sets that has no real afterthought. It is along the same lines as SpecsChomp-novelty for the sake of novelty. Sure, SpecsLudicolo sounds like it was really thought of, but many of these sets are the same things, with a slight change in the EVs. I mean, Fling? Does that have any real merit?

Sceptile@ATK Berry
Nature:Timid
Substitute
Swords Dance/Dragon Claw
Leaf Blade
Thunderpunch
EV:252 ATK, 252 HP

Standard Sub sweeper, good for late game. Boosted by Overgrow.

That's Liechi Berry, sims. >;0

Anyway, yeah, Frolass is right: Timid reduces attack. :P

 

[sims796]

Hm? Typo, of course. I meant Jolly.

If you want this topic to continue, we must put more thought into our sets.

 

[BeachBoy]

Let me note that I fully agree with sims perspective on how this thread is doing. >_>

Alright folks, get it right. Try things that are unconventional, but will work. Slapping a choice item on something that's pathetic is no. Many of you are like "Oh, it's creative because it's not already listed elsewhere 8D" Why? Because it probably fails. If it's not viable, why bother? I'd like to see more description too, these one liners of "Oh hi, this that, okay bye" How about pursuading us as to why it's a creative and effective set. Otherwise, this is all pointless.

Also, try testing your set out. You can gain much more to see how it works on the battlefield than pure theory.

And please keep this topic on, it's simply great.

From what I see, this thread is going nowhere but down. :/ I hope you all can refocus. Now you all can drop this topic of creative or not. I'll just say if you keep going down this road you're on, it'll probably be locked.

 

[sims796]

I had originally going to make that set that I gave Sceptile all special moves, hence Timid nature, but that is outclassed by Specstile.

 

[Walrein]

Spoiler:

Poliwrath@Choice Band
Adamant/Jolly nature, Water Absorb trait
6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
~Waterfall
~Brick Break
~Ice Ball
~Payback/Earthquake
Ice Ball is just as effective as Rollout, just with a much better coverage. You won't be switching moves while Ice Ball is working anyway, so Choice Band is obvious. Psyback to strike switch-ins while Earthquake kills Electric and Posion-types.

Spoiler:

Jynx@Leftovers/Focus Sash
Timid nature, Forwarn trait
252 SpA/6 SpD/252 Spe
~Mean Look
~Ice Beam/Blizzard
~Lovely Kiss
~Dream Eater
Quite a risky set, but here goes. Put to sleep, trap, and eat their dreams to recover HP. Blizzard with Hail support and Ice Beam without. This set also works with Nightmare users, and expecially Darkai.

 

[Dark Azelf]

SD Reversal Blaziken is a standard set, i hope you do realize this. =/.

 

[sims796]

I don't mind the Jynx set, but not the Poliwrath set. Yeah, Ice Ball gets stronger, now your stuck with the same move for five turns., Now I can either charge up my sweepers, or just switch to Snorlax or something that resist Ice & can hit hard. Unless it misses, resets the power, & your still stuck using it due to CB.

 

[Walrein]

SD Reversal Blaziken is a standard set, i hope you do realize this. =/.

Fine then, I deleted it...
And Azelf, I'm getting the feeling you don't like me much, isn't it?
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Spoiler:

Umbreon@Leftovers
Calm nature
252 HP/100 Def/78 SpA/80 SpD
~Wish/Moonlight
~Dark Pulse
~Snatch/Fake Tears
~Psychic/Shadow Ball/Toxic/Confuse Ray
Semi-attacking Umbreon is no joke. Wish or Moonlight for recovery, Dark Pulse for STAB. Fake Tears Can weaken many, but it's a lesser choice compared to Snatch. So HP Fighting Spiritomb is setting up? Snatch it's Calm Mind. Many pokemon would never expect Umbreon to steal away their moves.
Last slot is a filler. Psychic hits Fighters, Toxic for solid damage and Confuse Ray to avoid damage. Shadow Ball's only use is for Gallade and Medicham, whom Umbreon shouldn't be facing really, I just had to mention it.

Spoiler:

Espeon@Leftovers
Timid nature
90 SpA/168 SpD/252 Spe
~Charm
~Wish/Morning Sun
~Psychic
~Shadow Ball/Grass Knot
So the opponent switches in a physical sweeper? Charm it. Charm it again before it attacks you-what will usually happen with Espeon's very high speed stat. A nice way to make physical sweepers run away and force your opponent to try attacking you from the higher special defense stat.

I don't mind the Jynx set, but not the Poliwrath set. Yeah, Ice Ball gets stronger, now your stuck with the same move for five turns., Now I can either charge up my sweepers, or just switch to Snorlax or something that resist Ice & can hit hard. Unless it misses, resets the power, & your still stuck using it due to CB.

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In advance I destroyed a Thick Fat Snorlax with an Ice Ball-using Walrein. And it was a special move at that time.

 

[sims796]

I also beat a Blissey with a well placed Focus Blast. Your point? Doesn't make the move any better, or any less suckier, for that matter. It must have been a really pathetic Snorlax user at the time.

 

[Syaoran]

In advance I destroyed a Thick Fat Snorlax with an Ice Ball-using Walrein. And it was a special move at that time.

Oh? So I guess you're awesome! Maybe, if your opponent was really dumb.

What the hell, Ice Ball is a shitty move that locks you. Once locked the opponent could bring out their Infernape and get free Nasty Plots.. and that's just an example so you could start realizing how dangerous it is in competitive battling to get yourself locked into a certain move.

That Umbreon set is also a joke. Are you seriously trying to make him a special sweeper? Anything faster with a Close Combat (which is basically every fighter out there barring Machamp) will switch on any move (Psychic will do poor damage despite being super effective) and KO Umbreon into oblivion.