Emerald hack: Pokémon: Discovery

[Le pug]

I really like the concept of the LoW system, but I have a question about it. In the screenshots revealed, the LoW points for each choice are shown. Do you guys plan on keeping it that way or is it just to make testing the system easier?

It seems sorta strange, I think, to let players see exactly how much each choice is. Not letting the player know exactly what their reputation is makes it less cut and dry. Though I guess since the LoW scale is only 0-10 (right?), then it's not too big of a deal. Just curious.

And hope the beta comes out soon! Best of luck! :)

You ever play a MMO before? Do a quest as an end-game player that gave you a crap-ton of gold or experience points? If you were (gonna use WoW for a moment) level 90, wouldn't you want to know if the quest you're going to do was worth it or not? If I had a choice between wasting my time on a level 1 quest for little or no gold or experience or choosing a level 90 raiding quest that rewards more gold, and if not 90 but like lvl 89 a lot of exp, I'd rather do that.
Idk if you're following but pretty much what I'm saying is, I have the numbers there so you can see how many points you'll get and obviously if it's +1 it'll probably have a lower difficulty whereas if you have a quest that is +2 points or -10 points... then you know it'll be a long quest chain and it's all about if the player wants to put effort into that.
The scale is from 0-100, not 0-10. (can't add decimals to vars so it has to be that way, plus it adds more room for fluctuation of the player's choices).

Plus you need to see your LoW (I'd prefer for the player to instantly see it using the FR second message box ASM ... but no one wants to help port it to EM so gotta do it the following way). I'll have a person in most cities that'll reveal your reputation for you if you talk to him. Probably make it a trade-goods traveler or something. Certain perks will be used based on your level also. In more evil cities, you'll have a better reputation than those of higher reputation. So you'll get darker perks than the good cities. An example of this is in the good cities at a certain LoW level you'll get discounts in the stores. The more evil you are though, the more pricey the items. However, in the darker cities, the more higher your LoW, the better the chances you'll randomly get battled by people in the city and you can not use their beds to heal up and you can't stay in their town (if you faint, you are sent back to the last visited good city). So there will be different kind of perks like that. Any other questions let me know.

 

[HidoranBlaze]

You ever play a MMO before? Do a quest as an end-game player that gave you a crap-ton of gold or experience points? If you were (gonna use WoW for a moment) level 90, wouldn't you want to know if the quest you're going to do was worth it or not? If I had a choice between wasting my time on a level 1 quest for little or no gold or experience or choosing a level 90 raiding quest that rewards more gold, and if not 90 but like lvl 89 a lot of exp, I'd rather do that.
Idk if you're following but pretty much what I'm saying is, I have the numbers there so you can see how many points you'll get and obviously if it's +1 it'll probably have a lower difficulty whereas if you have a quest that is +2 points or -10 points... then you know it'll be a long quest chain and it's all about if the player wants to put effort into that.
The scale is from 0-100, not 0-10. (can't add decimals to vars so it has to be that way, plus it adds more room for fluctuation of the player's choices).

Plus you need to see your LoW (I'd prefer for the player to instantly see it using the FR second message box ASM ... but no one wants to help port it to EM so gotta do it the following way). I'll have a person in most cities that'll reveal your reputation for you if you talk to him. Probably make it a trade-goods traveler or something. Certain perks will be used based on your level also. In more evil cities, you'll have a better reputation than those of higher reputation. So you'll get darker perks than the good cities. An example of this is in the good cities at a certain LoW level you'll get discounts in the stores. The more evil you are though, the more pricey the items. However, in the darker cities, the more higher your LoW, the better the chances you'll randomly get battled by people in the city and you can not use their beds to heal up and you can't stay in their town (if you faint, you are sent back to the last visited good city). So there will be different kind of perks like that. Any other questions let me know.

Do you mind showing me this second textbox ASM? I could try to port it to Emerald. It'd be a great way to practice my ASM, since I'm quite rusty.

 

[kokoromaix]

I follow. Showing the points for a decision like showing the rewards for a quest. Looking at it from that perspective, it makes sense to do. I didn't think of it like that, so it seemed odd to me at first.

I saw an earlier post explaining it saying the highest possible score would be 10. I didn't know it had changed since then. But it seems like it'll work out better that way anyway.
Thanks for answering! :)

 

[Le pug]

Do you mind showing me this second textbox ASM? I could try to port it to Emerald. It'd be a great way to practice my ASM, since I'm quite rusty.

Sure thing. It actually has most of it ported already due to ShinyQuagsire. Here is the thread: http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=321473
Or you can just view this spoiler:

Spoiler:

In case you guys are wondering what I'm talking about, it's this:

It's already a fully-functional asm that works with FireRed. You can check that out HERE.

As for the port though, shinyquagsire had been working on it for awhile but is too busy with real life applications to continue research into the port. He has already done a significant amount of porting and the asm port is almost done. This would be a nice add to those hacking Emerald and that's the reason why I asked him to help with this. To get the asm that's been worked on, click HERE

Or just view the code in this spoiler:

Spoiler:

.align 2
.thumb

SHOWCOINS:
push {lr}
push {r0-r7}
ldr r5, SCRIPT_VAR_8000
ldrh r5, [r5]
ldr r4, SCRIPT_VAR_8001
ldrh r4, [r4]
ldr r0, UNKNOWN_DATA_0
ldr r1, SHOWCOINS_UNK_1
bl CALL_R1
lsl r0, r0, #0x10
lsr r0, r0, #0x10
cmp r0, #0x1
beq SHOWCOINS_RETURN
mov r1, r5
mov r2, r4
bl SECONDARY
b SHOWCOINS_RETURN

SHOWCOINS_RETURN:
pop {r0-r7}
pop {pc}



SECONDARY:
push {lr}
push {r0-r7}
add sp, #-0x20
mov r6, r0
mov r4, r1
mov r3, r2
lsl r4, r4, #0x18
lsl r3, r3, #0x18
mov r0, #0x80
lsl r0, r0, #0x11
add r4, r4, r0
lsr r4, r4, #0x18
add r3, r3, r0
lsr r3, r3, #0x18
ldr r0, SCRIPT_VAR_8002
ldrh r0, [r0]
str r0, [sp]
ldr r0, SCRIPT_VAR_8003
ldrh r0, [r0]
str r0, [sp, #0x4]
mov r0, #0xF
str r0, [sp, #0x8]
mov r0, #0x20
str r0, [sp, #0xC]
add r0, sp, #0x10
mov r1, #0x0
mov r2, r4
ldr r4, UNKNOWN_FUNCTION_0
bl CALL_R4
ldr r0, [sp, #0x10]
ldr r1, [sp, #0x14]
str r0, [sp, #0x18]
str r1, [sp, #0x1C]
ldr r4, UNKNOWN_DATA_1
add r0, sp, #0x18
ldr r5, UNKNOWN_FUNCTION_1
bl CALL_R5
strb r0, [r4]
ldrb r0, [r4]
mov r1, #0x0
ldr r2, UNKNOWN_FUNCTION_2
bl CALL_R2
ldrb r0, [r4]
ldr r5, UNKNOWN_FUNCTION_3
bl CALL_R5
ldrb r0, [r4]
ldr r5, UNKNOWN_DATA_2
mov r1, r5
mov r2, #0xD0
ldr r3, UNKNOWN_FUNCTION_4
bl CALL_R3
ldrb r0, [r4]
mov r1, #0x0
mov r2, r5
mov r3, #0xD
ldr r6, UNKNOWN_FUNCTION_5
bl CALL_R6
ldrb r0, [r4]
ldr r2, SCRIPT_BANK_0
ldr r2, [r2]
mov r3, #0x0
str r3, [sp]
mov r1, #0xFF
str r1, [sp, #0x4]
str r3, [sp, #0x8]
mov r1, #0x2
ldr r7, UNKNOWN_FUNCTION_6
bl CALL_R7
mov r0, r6
bl SECONDARY_LOAD_BODY
add sp, #0x20
pop {r0-r7}
pop {pc}



SECONDARY_LOAD_BODY:
push {lr}
push {r0-r7}
add sp, #-0xC
mov r1, r0
ldr r0, BUFFER_RAM_OFFSET
mov r2, #0x1
mov r3, #0x4
ldr r6, int_to_str
bl CALL_R6
ldr r4, STRING_RAM_OFFSET
ldr r1, SCRIPT_BANK_1
ldr r1, [r1]
mov r0, r4
ldr r6, BODY_STRING_LOADER
bl CALL_R6
mov r0, #0x0
mov r1, r4
mov r2, #0x0
ldr r6, UNKNOWN_FUNCTION_8
bl CALL_R6
ldr r1, UNKNOWN_DATA_1
ldrb r1, [r1]
mov r3, #0x40
sub r3, r3, r0
lsl r3, r3, #0x18
lsr r3, r3, #0x18
mov r0, #0xC
str r0, [sp]
mov r0, #0x0
str r0, [sp, #0x4]
str r0, [sp, #0x8]
mov r0, r1
mov r1, #0x0
mov r2, r4
ldr r6, UNKNOWN_FUNCTION_6
bl CALL_R6
add sp, #0xC
pop {r0-r7}
pop {pc}

CALL_R1:
bx r1
bx lr

CALL_R2:
bx r2
bx lr

CALL_R3:
bx r3
bx lr

CALL_R4:
bx r4
bx lr

CALL_R5:
bx r5
bx lr

CALL_R6:
bx r6
bx lr

CALL_R7:
bx r7
bx lr

.align 2
SCRIPT_BANK_0:
.word 0x03000E40 @

SCRIPT_BANK_1:
.word 0x03000E44 @

SCRIPT_VAR_8000:
.word 0x020370B8

SCRIPT_VAR_8001:
.word 0x020370BA

SCRIPT_VAR_8002:
.word 0x020370BC

SCRIPT_VAR_8003:
.word 0x020370BE

UNKNOWN_DATA_0:
.word 0x080E29C4+1 @?

UNKNOWN_DATA_1:
.word 0x02022FEC @

UNKNOWN_DATA_2:
.word 0x0000021D @?

SHOWCOINS_UNK_1:
.word 0x0813C264+1 @

UNKNOWN_FUNCTION_0:
.word 0x08198A50+1 @Perhaps or 0801FF18 or 0815E34C or 0802DA9C

UNKNOWN_FUNCTION_1:
.word 0x08003380+1 @

UNKNOWN_FUNCTION_2:
.word 0x08003C48+1 @

UNKNOWN_FUNCTION_3:
.word 0x0800378C+1 @

UNKNOWN_FUNCTION_4:
.word 0x0809877C+1 @

UNKNOWN_FUNCTION_5:
.word 0x08197E80+1 @

UNKNOWN_FUNCTION_6:
.word 0x080045D0+1 @

int_to_str:
.word 0x08008CC0+1 @

UNKNOWN_FUNCTION_8:
.word 0x08018798+1 @Perhaps

BUFFER_RAM_OFFSET:
.word 0x02021CC4 @

STRING_RAM_OFFSET:
.word 0x02021D18 @

BODY_STRING_LOADER:
.word 0x08008EE0+1 @

The references are those linked prior. The firered post has example scripts to go with the asm.
All credit go to DavidJCobb and shinyquagsire on the work previously listed.

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I follow. Showing the points for a decision like showing the rewards for a quest. Looking at it from that perspective, it makes sense to do. I didn't think of it like that, so it seemed odd to me at first.

I saw an earlier post explaining it saying the highest possible score would be 10. I didn't know it had changed since then. But it seems like it'll work out better that way anyway.
Thanks for answering! :)

Yeah it was initially 10 but once I figured out how I would actually implement the system, adding or subtracting by whole numbers really only way that will work. I'm glad it makes more sense and glad you're on the same page and hope you enjoy it! The LoW events will be fun, as there will be many side LoW events as well as few main story LoW events. And np, if you have any questions I'm always here to answer them or you can come chat with me via IRC Chat

 

[Tcoppy]

-ANNOUNCEMENT TIME-

Okay so this is not the beta but it's kinda close, we have our own IRC chat. It will be up on the main post, it's on Le pug's signature and on my signature. We look forward to all of you dropping by and we hope to see you soon. ;)

 

[jan2prado]

-ANNOUNCEMENT TIME-

Okay so this is not the beta but it's kinda close, we have our own IRC chat. It will be up on the main post, it's on Le pug's signature and on my signature. We look forward to all of you dropping by and we hope to see you soon. ;)

1st person to go there :D.. I think?

 

[oreo101506]

Having issues trying to post on the chat. :/

 

[EeVictinee]

Oh mah goodnehs itz an eevee tohtahlly gahna pley it..

 

[mattdecoteau69]

Seriously can not wait to play this!

 

[Demon Wolf]

That makes the both of us xD its gonna b Christmas again when its available

 

[TheRealDylanator]

Cue Blue's theme, violin edition!

Well well what do we have here, a new adventure, so it begins.

Will there be side-quests?

 

[Le pug]

Cue Blue's theme, violin edition!

Well well what do we have here, a new adventure, so it begins.

Will there be side-quests?

Yes I will be implementing side quests, especially with the LoW system. It'll break the monotony of main chain questing. Don't worry I am trying my best to add enough content to keep the player busy having fun rather than just beating the game in like an hour lol.

 

[Blazikong]

This game looks awesome. I love the shipwreck and dark story. Good luck!

 

[Ryuu Scarlet]

oh why is it that when i find a new rom game i like and what fits what im looking for there is always now download link XD or is not fully complete >.< i cant wait to see this

 

[TheRealDylanator]

Please, get us a download.

 

[Le pug]

Please, get us a download.

I'm pushing as hard as I can to get the first beta out there. It might be another two weeks or more though because there are small things here and there I'm trying to fix up and I still pretty much have an entire city to script. And three more maps to make and script (a route, a labyrinth, and Berry City's events and after-event map)

 

[Tcoppy]

So, I know we haven't been showing progress lately but we are still working on this hack. Also I don't think this has been addressed on the thread but I thought that a few of you may be wondering how stuff like the Pokedex and the PC are gonna work, since you are on an "undiscovered" island.

The dex is probably not going to be in the hack, it has been discussed that the Pokedex will most likely not exist, it's not that restrictive however to get rid of it so it's worth it. The PC on the other hand...this hack focuses on being unique and different, so you don't want to restrict your pokemon decissions to you? I certainly don't. So the PC will be in but in a way that it won't make it like the PC. In most villages there will be people who will be running this shelf like area and he will store and distribute your pokemon for yourself. He is basically a man/PC hybrid of sorts, and the PC mechanic itself though, you'll be able to pick your pokemon the same exact way you do in a PC, but the boxes will be renamed to shelves and the wallpaper will be shelves.

So, yeah, I hope that clears stuff about the Pokedex and PC stuff and this hack is still being worked on.

 

[zygardian harbinger]

This looks like an interesting hack. I'll be looking forward to the release!

 

[john02589]

This hack looks very promising, can't wait to play the first beta. :)

 

[Del]

Bro!! I am really reaaaaally interested in the story! i like it! and the thing is how the story gonna finish! :) can't wait final release!! do you think can you finish it this year~? ^^