DARN! Now I'll never finish my journey on the "obvious road that is not too far from victory!" NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! :cer_cry:
Anyway, I think it was a good decision to remove the bulk of the so-called "rep" system (now renamed to 'Post Comments'). While I've been wanting my "rep message" and points, bars, etc. to go up, I'm not
obsessed over it. At its core, it's just a value. Yes, it's essentially human nature to want large quanitities of "good" things and absolutely no "negative" things, but that doesn't mean you have to get greedy (i.e., circle-jerks for reputation, etc.) You don't have to abuse such a trivial (though nice-in-theory) feature.
I could easily copy-and-paste a bunch of the green bars and put as much as them as I can in my sig, and say "Oh, I have more bars, so I'm better than everyone else! Haha."
Obviously, I'd have "the most green bars", but it would be pointless and rude. The green bars aren't that important anyway. If the PC server is down, your rep won't matter anyway since no one can see it. Posts are entirely different matters; even if PC is down, the messages conveyed can still linger in the mind. All rep does is make you think of a number.
And it's annoying that some people can't handle criticism maturely. It's also annoying how people can't dish out certain criticisms
properly. Yes, criticizing can still lead to upsetting people, but there's a way to hand out constructive criticism
politely.
I'm glad that the new "feedback" system is also more opinion-oriented, which caters to the large number of users that were more
opinion-inclined than
quality-inclined when repping other members. I'll admit, I used rep more for 'opinions' than actual post 'quality.' When one disagrees, one thinks that his/her own opinion is
better/correct over another person's. People probably want to be 'correct'
themselves in terms of opinion instead of
others being correct in terms of better quality (which makes other people seem smarter than you in terms of quality). Personally, I wouldn't want to praise someone who writes with excellent quality but agrees with everything I utterly despise. I'd just disagree and say what I feel is better.
(Sorry if this seems confusing!)
IMO, the bars decorated the top-right corners of your post very nicely. Now that it's just bare text there, it's kinda bland...
One question though, is the system still anonymous? I hope not, since it'd be easier to see who's giving us the comment in case they flame.
But if it's still anonymous that's fine too. Hopefully this system will fix what ails this place.
That's what I thought, too. But if you see who neg-commented you, I think it'll just incite flame wars... Then again, you'd think users would refrain from flaming if their identities would be revealed upon flaming...but NOOO...
Anyway, can we at least see who gave us
positive comments? Or have an option or something that lets you mark "This is a positive comment", which indicates that your name will be shown in the User CP. It'd be kind of disheartening if you find out all your positive "comments" were really just spambots saying "LOL", "Nice post", or other variants... (don't know if that's possible, but still...)
THANK GOODNESS!
I think PokeCommunity will better themselves without the reputation clouding our eyes with it's evil ways, muahaha.
But seriously, I think it is a good thing reputation was disabled, it makes the whole rumor going about "Having 2 or more Rep bars means higher chance at moderatorship" pretty much a load of bull eh?
I'm glad, that was an annoying little rumor that was just plain untrue, and I like leaving little comments for people, so now I don't have to choose to give -rep or +rep!
That was seriously a rumor? Lol, those circle-jerks must've been
so deluded... :P
I actually have to agree with Amachi here, I as well am disappointed with the change.
The whiny members won't grow any intelligence from some feedback with no catch to it. They'll just complain to someone at how wrong the person is/was with their comment about the post that was given feedback, so the only change here is that members can still cry over negative reputation with hidden pips. Bravo Sir, Bravo
inb4pipsreturn!
Yeah...instead of whining about point reduction, they'll just whine about how someone said their post was "stupid", "immature", or "needs improvement", regardless of whether the claim is true or not. But people will whine about anything. Next thing, I bet people will whine about how someone disagreed with them in a "Visitor Message" or something...
I had a little over a thousand rep points and I'm the *furthest* thing from staff material there is. Rep was *intended* to be a system whereby people could tell at a glance by looking at somebody's postbit that they'd contributed to the community with posts that were intelligent, well written and above all; well received by the community at large. It was never supposed to be a popularity contest or a whizzing contest or a method of attack of "user moderation"; it was meant purely so you could tell in a very general sense the quality of a users contributions to the forum.
[S-HIGHLIGHT]But it didn't work this way; and it never will in the form it existed. People are greedy, selfish and need that status symbol ~ I'll admit; I got a giddy little thrill when I'd get another pip; it's true. [/S-HIGHLIGHT] And it's perfectly fine to be proud of the rep you've earned; but setting up a circle-jerk with your friends so you can all have high rep is..well...cheating. And so is not accepting valid criticism or critique of something you've written that isn't well received. Yes, there will always be controversial posts and yes you probably will get negative reputation for it; but imo the reputation received should have no bearing on you as a member whatsoever and merely should act as a barometer for the climate of any individual post.
I'm not fully in favour of the point system being removed entirely; I'll admit this. [S-HIGHLIGHT]I think there should be a way for a user to be "rewarded" in some small part for making good and healthy contributions to the forum proper. [/S-HIGHLIGHT]But a single overarching number is no way to address it. I've been around a long time; forum-wise and I've seen implementations that vary from individual and visible post reputation [S-HIGHLIGHT](where each POST you make can have it's own reputation score but YOU have no score per se; just a chart in your profile that shows a % gradient of your quality posts)[/S-HIGHLIGHT]thru to the reputation system being used to generate in forum currency to purchase forum customizations. These are all valid systems and in the right hands so can be the numbered point score; but we don't have the right hands. We're not, as many will assure you; those other forums. We're The PokeCommunity; and we need a solution that works for our user-base. While I don't think we're there yet; I think this is definitely a step in the right direction.
Pretty much everyone got thrilled when they received a positive rep (including myself), though I'm not saying
everyone was responsible for the problems that arose. You like it when people like you (or your posts), since it means you're right about something (in a
sense). I also agree about the 'rewards for quality posts' idea... Maybe have people vote on quality posts (and only the staff can see the votes) and have a series of "Quality Posts" Emblems or something (if it doesn't exist already). Like 0-50 quality posts for one emblem version, 51-100 quality posts for another, and so on. The only problem is that mods would be required to "browse" through votes so often so giving out Quality Post Emblems to certain people would be justified.
The other idea I have that apple.SHAMPOO referenced is each
post has individual rep, using the 'rep system' we had before. This could be used alongside the current "Post Comment" system. This could be set so only the person who wrote the post gets to see how much rep was given... I'm just wondering if this feature could be 'abused' as well...
I love the new rep system. I never liked having those points, really. Especially when the negative ones tare right down into your soul, and then make you snap!
Lol, I know. Especially when you were close to racking up 50 points (which took you a
long time to get, say a few months), and someone with high rep-altering power docked you down to 23 with a simple mouse click. I remember when I got lost a lot of points because I used excessive smilies in
one TCTI post...
I miss my green bars. They made me feel important...and I was getting closer to four. -goes to cry somewhere-
All I know is that I didn't get to the end of the path toward victory! *cries as well* It gets
really annoying when you put a lot of effort in making quality posts, when there are stupid circle-jerks who rack up rep points in mere days, with the only effort being organizing the group and the time of day that they rep. Grrr... :cer_pissed:
Well, I don't care if it's gone. Since a lot of members have abnormally huge rep points(I can list some of them), which mainly comes from abusing it, asking of forcing someone to give 'em, or making "side accounts" for reps. Well, those are my hunches though.
It still startles me that people would take the time and intimidate others to get rep or make 'side accounts'. We're
supposed to be talking about Pokemon!
If you want to rack up green bars, go to Microsoft Paint and get to work with the green pixels. If you want to rack up points, go get a calculator and start adding and multiplying positive numbers. Then post the results in your sig. IT'S THAT FREAKING SIMPLE!! *calms down*
Ah, so the bad apples had to spoil the whole barrel and ruin it for everyone. x3
If someone wants to comment on a post, he/she could easily quote and reply with his/her response instead of leaving a (usually) anonymous rep comment. So, what's the point of this "rep" now? |D
I guess I'll get posting.
Probably to save excess posts where you just comment on how well someone's post was written. The thing is,
everyone knows your opinion about other posts when you put it in your post. So I guess that's a bypass to the anonymity with the "Post Comments" system.
A better system would have been to keep the reputation system in place, not worry about it, and if someone complains, they get banned or temp banned. Honestly, people shouldn't complain about such a thing in the first place.
Another way it could have been done, is instead of being able to take away reputation, you just EARN reputation. For example, if someone likes my post, they just give + rep. If they don't like the post, they just don't do anything and it stays at a moot point. That way, active members and members the community are fond of, can actually get what the system literally entails, "Reputation." Everyone else would have to earn reputation simply just by doing what they normally do in the community. If they keep doing something right constantly, or their posts are well thought out, then they would receive more rep, as they should. These people aren't going to complain about GETTING rep. In addition, someone who can't have reputation TAKEN AWAY can't get mad and moan and complain at their current reputation level. If their reputation level isn't going up, it would be because they aren't making interesting posts, or nobody actually cares about giving rep in that particular instance.
It seems like the fact that other users could "tarnish" another's rep was the root cause of your reputation system failure. If you had a system in place in which you just simply keep stacking up rep as you contribute something good, then there wouldn't be any problems. People would only have one thing to complain about, that they aren't GAINING rep... And that in itself is a silly thing to complain about, but the answer is obvious and self-serving, as if you're not gaining any reputation, then you're not making good posts, and you should try harder in the future. There shouldn't be a reason someone should PM Admins, Mods, etc for them not gaining any rep. In essence, it would be one's own fault.
I would think that, combined with a strict "don't pm us about rep" rule, would be able to keep the reputation system in place, and evolve it into something better.
But hey, that's just my two cents.
Except the darn circle-jerks completely nullify this option. Do they NOT have anything better to do online?
[jq]
But seriously, I don't.. see why people miss it so much. Since post comments are basic and without positive and negative reputation... we should totally be able to see who gave us post comments, as they're generally positive... and since staff aren't going to do anything about bad post comments, the users should know so they could sort out their own problems? o3o;
I agree. I figured if your
username is shown when you give feedback via a Post Comment, you wouldn't dare flame unless you want to be
specifically targeted with malicious messages. Plus, it would make you come out of your "anonymity cloak", and it would be obvious that
you're the one who's flaming.
I know I already posted in this thread, but I have a point to get across that I feel I should say.
(I know people probably already know this, but I wanna say it still, lol)
As I said before, I am glad reputation is gone, but I have more of a reason now...
Now people won't think a certain person isn't so great because of the number of green squares near there names, and can now focus on the quality of said person's posts.
I still think it would be nice to have the option to hide your number of posts as well (As to stop people from thinking that post numbers count as well. I can't hide it, [S-HIGHLIGHT]I too used to think that post numbers played an important role in a person's status on the forums[/S-HIGHLIGHT], until I had THIS little epiphany.)
I personally think that would be a nice feature, along with the removal of reputation, what y'all think?
I used to have that opinion as well, though I'm gradually growing out of it. :( Members with really higher posts
do tend to be more recognizable and have more quality posts, IMO... However, it should
not be used to
explicitly judge others. For example, I recently read that there was someone on the Smashboards forums with <7 posts (being a 'Smash n00b') but actually placed very high in a tournament or something... So post count is just a count of your posts, whether quality-filled, decent, or spam-filled. Simple as that.
Speaking of Smashboards, they could use this new 'Post Comment' system, too, rather than just banning reputation entirely.
This killed all my fun when it comes to negative repping people with grammatically incoherent posts, but I can see the logic in doing away with it. Too many people are too immature to handle criticism. >_>
Lol @ the first sentence. But people
do need to learn that not
everything they do is perfect (hence the need for criticism), and not
everyone is going to agree with them (which is why we have opinions).
*My only minor suggestion of the new system is: can't we have notifications? I see nothing wrong with them. I'm not the type who is
obsessed over rep points or feedback, but if we aren't notified that we need to improve, how
will we improve our posts? I might miss a few comments every so often since I don't make it a daily obligation to check that area of my User CP...
Another feature that could be useful (but not necessary) is if we could save
all of our received (and given-out) feedback, so we could delete them as we wish. I don't know if server space would be compromised, though...
Anyway, good alternative to completely wiping out the rep system, and I hope we can all improve in our posting habits (this means you, circle-jerks and people making incorrect/uncalled-for/made-for-no-reason complaints! :pirate:)
Sorry about the lengthy post!
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Oh yeah, and as of now, I'm
still laughing at all the circle-jerks who wasted their time organizing "rep groups" and "side accounts". While I'm annoyed that they're partially responsible for the downfall of PC Reputation and helped ruined the system for the rest of us, it's still funny that all of their work is gone with a mere reformatting of the rep system. :laugh:
