Question: Sexual threads

[Kanzler]

The slippery slope argument boggles me. Our standards haven't changed, nor will they any further if we choose to liberalize discussion on milder sexual topics. All we would do is allow the discussion of the forum to conform to our standards as they are now (and they apparently are more liberal than the status quo, considering the amount of activity on this thread). Allowing a thread about sex drive today doesn't lead to a thread about pedophilic thoughts tomorrow, because the vast majority of us aren't pedophiles.

I like abnegation's idea of tags. If you click, you know what you're getting into - or you can just not click. I especially like his idea of hiding these discussions from guests because guests don't concern me none. People can come for the Pokemon and stay for the community (now with less restriction on sexual discussion).

 

[White Raven]

I really don't give a ****. I've seen so many of these questions. Maybe this guy feels the urge to do what he asked, but is not sure whether it is normal. I know that some of the religious people will find this uncomfortable, but there are always going to be other religions and atheists. Everybody should be able to ask this question anywhere, whether or not just for curiosity or what not. It's not like he or anybody else actually posted a pic of himself/herself doing it. This shouldn't be closed, but should have a page like what Bulbapedia has for Shipping articles. An extra warning. But seriously, our ancestors from way way way back have had sex at as early as 14 or younger, so why can't we at least be able to hear and talk about it at that age now?

 

[Hiatus]

I'm not sure if this would take it a bit too far or not, but in one of the previous pages, I've seen a suggestion of having some toggle option in user control panel, which would hide all threads from viewing that are tagged as [Mature]. In my opinion, it's not such a bad idea. If you're not wanting to see such things around but they're still visible in your eye, there's a big possibility that you might wind up clicking them regardless of how hard you try not to--it's curiosity. If they're not there, however, chances of this happening would be reduced to nearly zero.

This is definitely not a necessity, but it shouldn't hurt anybody to least have around; it'd help users when it comes to controlling what they read.

 

[Eevee3]

The fact that PC has other threads and boards that aren't related to Pokemon means that we can talk about things other than Pokemon. In general though, you can only talk about Pokemon for so long...I mean, we are all humans, our interests go beyond Pokemon sometimes.

As for the maturity thing, in my opinion, it depends on how "crude" the thread is. If it's about vividly describing porn then yes, that's obviously not appropriate. But if it's talking about what age you first learned about masturbation then I don't see why that's so bad.

The Mature tag would be a useful thing to implement but people can figure out what the thread is about just by the title. If they can't, they can always hover over the link and some of the thread's content appears so you can skim over the OP without loading the page.

 

[Honest]

As for the maturity thing, in my opinion, it depends on how "crude" the thread is. If it's about vividly describing porn then yes, that's obviously not appropriate. But if it's talking about what age you first learned about masturbation then I don't see why that's so bad.

Basically what the consensus is, yup! And I forgot to quote Gav, but I'm all for having the mature content hidden to guests.

 

[Livewire]

I'm of the opinion that so long as you aren't discussing explicit details about more mature topics, you're fine. You can discuss and talk about those kinds of things (sex, drugs, etc) and it not be a nsfw cesspit - and almost always, the threads are appropriate and under control. So keep and eye out, and maintain a degree of civility and everybody's happy.

 

[Honest]

I'm of the opinion that so long as you aren't discussing explicit details about more mature topics, you're fine. You can discuss and talk about those kinds of things (sex, drugs, etc) and it not be a nsfw cesspit - and almost always, the threads are appropriate and under control. So keep and eye out, and maintain a degree of civility and everybody's happy.

I hope you don't mind me putting you on the spot, Nick, but I really do want to know your opinion, since you're a part of hstaff. The link I put in the OP (the closed thread), would fall under fair territory then, if I've read your post correctly, yes?

 

[Livewire]

I hope you don't mind me putting you on the spot, Nick, but I really do want to know your opinion, since you're a part of hstaff. The link I put in the OP (the closed thread), would fall under fair territory then, if I've read your post correctly, yes?

Ehh, I think the OP could have been a little less blunt, i.e., a little better worded, but I personally don't mind it thaaaaat much. But it's on the cusp of what I would deem acceptable/unacceptable.

 

[wolf]

Very explicit discussions can be okay when done tastefully. I've seen quite of a lot of them on the internet. I respect people who wouldn't be interested in such topics, but I consider them to be like any other subject. Then again, I guess I could be too desensitized. Anyway, my point is that it should be treated on a case-by-case basis when considering whether a [Mature] thread is too explicit, instead of outright disallowing any [Mature] threads from being explicit.

 

[Mana1]

Say we implemented a 'mature' tag... would it be possible to make all threads with that tag need approval?

 

[curiousnathan]

I'd rather let the moderator decide what gets the "mature tag", or even still let them decide what's appropriate and what isn't in their section, and deal with them how they see fit without the need for a tag.

 

[Gonzo]

This thread is so funny. Why people keep forgetting it's a Pokemon forum primarily? The target of the franchise won't really be interested and can actually be scared by this kind of content here. Not mentioning their parents not being happy with where they children spend time on the Internet.

Mature tag? Are you kidding me? As soon as you edit your age, you're eligible to view those threads. What are you going to do to verify they're actually younger? Ask for birth certificate? ID/Driving Licence photo? Those information are sensitive and people won't want to share them, obviously.

I've seen so many stupid ideas here, but this one beats them all combined. This also make me question Andy as the right person to moderate General Chat. This thread should be deleted right of the bat, not because "another mod told me it's not OK". Pokecommunity is for Pokemon, sex sites are for sex.

 

[Monophobia]

This thread is so funny. Why people keep forgetting it's a Pokemon forum primarily? The target of the franchise won't really be interested and can actually be scared by this kind of content here. Not mentioning their parents not being happy with where they children spend time on the Internet.

I previously stated that parental controls exist. Also, regardless of the main primary content of the forum, it is a forum. All forums have off-topic discussions, and just because the primary focus is Pokémon, that doesn't mean everyone should be limited to discuss only Pokémon. Eventually you will become bored of talking about how much Magikarp sucks, and you will venture elsewhere in order to fine better sustenance. So, if not here on PC, where everything is safe and controlled, then kids will find it somewhere else that could potentially be dangerous.

Mature tag? Are you kidding me? As soon as you edit your age, you're eligible to view those threads. What are you going to do to verify they're actually younger? Ask for birth certificate? ID/Driving Licence photo? Those information are sensitive and people won't want to share them, obviously.

Then there's no need to share them. It's not like pornographic content is going to suddenly be allowed at PC, we're just allowing clean discussion. I think you're misunderstanding the situation completely.

 

[Universe]

This thread is so funny. Why people keep forgetting it's a Pokemon forum primarily? The target of the franchise won't really be interested and can actually be scared by this kind of content here. Not mentioning their parents not being happy with where they children spend time on the Internet.

Mature tag? Are you kidding me? As soon as you edit your age, you're eligible to view those threads. What are you going to do to verify they're actually younger? Ask for birth certificate? ID/Driving Licence photo? Those information are sensitive and people won't want to share them, obviously.

I think you're missing the point of a mature tag, Gonzo.

Editing your age to be older than you are would be completely up to you. If a kid wants to change their age on here so they can view the mature threads, then so be it. The point is that PC won't end up with a bad reputation. Because hey the kid's doing it on their own accord, PC doesn't have control over those who lie about their age online. It's just that if a parent were to find their kid reading mature threads on here, then they'd have written documentation stating that a mature tag is in effect here for those that are too young. So then the parent would know that their child is the one who bypassed it and that there was an effort made to reinforce safe content here.

It also permits those who do not wish to see mature content the opportunity to block it out from even appearing on the forum page. Just because you're the appropriate age to see those threads doesn't mean you will always want to. A mature tag will give those who don't wish to see them the ability to block them out. It'll also have the potential to block guests out from seeing these threads altogether, so that you have to be a member in the first place to turn on mature tag viewing.

If kids see these kinds of threads and tell their parents later, then it won't be PC's fault anymore.

 

[Honest]

This thread is so funny. Why people keep forgetting it's a Pokemon forum primarily? The target of the franchise won't really be interested and can actually be scared by this kind of content here. Not mentioning their parents not being happy with where they children spend time on the Internet.

Mature tag? Are you kidding me? As soon as you edit your age, you're eligible to view those threads. What are you going to do to verify they're actually younger? Ask for birth certificate? ID/Driving Licence photo? Those information are sensitive and people won't want to share them, obviously.

I've seen so many stupid ideas here, but this one beats them all combined. This also make me question Andy as the right person to moderate General Chat. This thread should be deleted right of the bat, not because "another mod told me it's not OK". Pokecommunity is for Pokemon, sex sites are for sex.

Okay. It's primarily a Pokémon forum. Yahoo. What's your point? There is a whole section of this website that could care less about Pokémon. I'm one of those people. So does that mean I have no rights, because I share no interest on what the forum is, as you put it, primarily about? Considering I see a whole section catered to non-Pokémon discussion, it's obvious to anyone and everyone that that's not the case, and to think otherwise is simply stupid. People can have different opinions on things, but to refute that is wrong, period.

That all being said, even if this is a Pokémon forum, that doesn't make the whole forum subject to a childish limitation. You might as well delete the entire Discussion and Debates section, cause questionable stuff, or at least questionable by your definition, shouldn't be permitted. PC isn't going to be responsible for a person lying about their age; that's on them. We can give them fair warning, and take certain measures, but if they end up being traumatized over something they were completely warned about and refused to listen, whose problem is that? Hint: it's theirs.

Considering this was my idea, the fact that I was the most recent mod for Café, and the fact that your argument is purely "it's a Pokemon forum, gotta keep it for the little ones" leaves me with a very sour taste. You're spitting out excuses and not explaining anything, which is the reason why PC continues to have this problem. Oh, and reread what the function of the mature tag was. It looks as if you didn't grab the concept of what they do at all.

 

[Ultraviolence]

This also make me question Andy as the right person to moderate General Chat. This thread should be deleted right of the bat, not because "another mod told me it's not OK". Pokecommunity is for Pokemon, sex sites are for sex.

But he moderates it perfectly well? For a start, he moderates a forum under Off-Topic Discussions, so your argument that it's just a Pokémon forum is flawed. How many other sections but Pokémon related are there? Yes, it might be primarily a Pokémon site but why should that inhibit people who want to have off-topic discussions?

And as I said before, there's been worse discussed on this site before and it was managed perfectly well. There's discussions about murder, hate crime and terrorist attacks and other heinous crimes every other week. But as soon as sex is mentioned, there's an uproar. Why should we be scared to talk about a natural occurrence?

 

[abnegation]

Yeah I'm going to take the liberty in ignoring arguments about stressing what this forum is about. I think we've stressed the fact that we're on a Pokémon forum enough. For what it's worth, we're a Pokémon community, hence, PokéCommunity. Within any community, there is diverse tastes and cultures, all linked together by one common ground. Here that happens to be this forum and our initial love of Pokémon. Everyone comes here for different reasons, so the forum isn't the same thing for every person. Now, it would be ignorant to suggest that we are only a Pokémon forum, we are so much more than that. Something like 3 out of 8 categories have the word "Pokémon" in it, actually. We have a booming Off-Topic section, and General Chat is consistently the most active singular section on PC. There is a large drive and interest in these sorts of discussions, and I think it is more healthy for both PC and people to discuss these in the open rather than feel the need for other outlets. This forum is a safe platform in which to discuss, and I maintain that it will remain to be. Bottom line is, these kinds of topics already exist on PC, but some people are sensitive to them. We should completely empathise with this, and respect it. There's more cultures and ages here than we can possibly account for, but we can do our best to accommodate as many as we possibly can.

Now, there are a few ideas above that I read. One from Endless, I think would be a good idea, and one from Magic, too. So I'm going to revise my suggestion. So here's what I think we should do:

• Add a [Mature] tag to General Chat & Discussions & Debates
• Make these threads moderated, to avoid misconception that they are meant for NSFW material
• Hide threads tagged with this from Guests
• Allow users to toggle whether or not they see mature content at all

This way, I feel everyone is covered, and we avoid potential misuse of the tag.

 

[Nihilego]

Right - this isn't directed at anyone in particular, but unless we can discuss ideas put up in this thread civilly rather than the people presenting them (or anything else for that matter), this is just gonna get closed and we'll just take all discussion to the existing staff threads. It's great and all when the community contributes stuff as a whole but this is starting to get much too ad hominem for my liking.

Thanks.

 

[£]

On my phone; brief reply go:

Toggle sounds great. Off by default, hide the on button in the settings? Such a feature would be lovely for censors too.

 

[maccrash]

honestly didn't even realize this thread was going on and I probably would have made a fool of myself if I had so it's probably all for the best. anyway, the compromises we've come up with are good in my eyes for certain, perfect, even.

while we're (kind of) at it, can we get rid of the automatic and non-toggle-able swear censors because that really gets my goat