3rd Gen Strongest pokemon up to R/S/E

[Jaredz99]

Ok here are the rules for these posts.
1. You have to present a pokemon, not including ubers or legendaries, and defend it as the strongest pokemon in the game up to R/S/E.
2. A moveset is required, with an explanation, and a hold item. EV training is not required, but it would probably help you make your case.
3. No "ZOMG BLAZIKEN FTW HE PWNS ALL N00BS". Please, have a real reason for what you are suggesting.

I believe that the strongest pokemon is heracross. Monster ATK stat, decent defense and speed. Biggest problem is a 4x flying weakness, but that can be covered with Rock Slide. Anyway, here is my Heracross:
Heracross L100@Salac Berry

Megahorn
A 120 ATK move w/STAB is always good.

Endure
Purely to set up Reversal.

Reversal
Endure + Salac Berry + STAB = Almost guaranteed OHKO

Rock Slide
Flying types begone! Rock slide owns you all.

EVs:
252 ATK (obviously)
252 SPD (this is a personal choice, cuz Salac Berries aren't easy to find)
6 in whatever

 

[GoldenBagon]

Aggron Or Rhydon
There Both Really Powerful
There favourites of mine

 

[shanecdavis]

The most powerful Pokemon in the game (including Ubers/Legendaries) is Snorlax. It single-handedly changed the entire metagame. It is feared in every version of the game, and a good competitive battler MUST account for it while constructing their team. While it has a good number of effective movesets, there is nothing more powerful than Curelax:

Snorlax @ Leftovers
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 144 HP / 68 Atk / 132 Def / 164 SpD
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Body Slam/Return
- Curse
- Rest
- Shadow Ball/Earthquake/Fire Blast

First of all, outside of Blissey, Snorlax is the best special wall in the game. High base SDef (110) and HP (160), along with no weakness to special moves allows this to switch in on a special attacker, and give a free Curse while the opponent switches out. Anyone not familiar with Curse should know that while it is a Ghost move that drops the target's HP by 1/4 each turn, if a non-Ghost Pokemon uses it their Atk and Def will increase one stage (50% increase) while their Spd will decrease one stage instead. Basically, it seems this alternate effect was created with Snorlax in mind. Since Snorlax is already not swift afoot, the decrease in Spd doesn't matter, but the Atk/Def is what turns this sleepy giant into a team sweeper.

The basic concept is use Curse multiple times, allowing your opponent to attack, then Rest to cure all lost HP and rid it of any status, and then proceed to destroy any opponent. The rest of the moveset is basically preference. Body Slam might not have the power that Return does, but its paralyzing effect can make up for it. Personally, I would go for the power since Body Slam would require an extra Curse to do equal or more damage to Return, meaning Return allows you to start attacking sooner. Shadow Ball rips through Ghosts and Psychics that are stupid enough to stay in, but Earthquake takes down Tyranitar and Metagross. Fire Blast is for the truly paranoid, that fear Skarmory or even Forretress the most.

Simply the best.

 

[Milke]

I disagree that Snorlax is best. I think Heracross is much better. Curselax is bleh these days and you didnt mention the other kinds of Snorlax.

 

[shanecdavis]

I am afraid "Heracross is much better" and "Curselax is bleh" fail miserably as arguments. Here, again, are the reasons why Snorlax is the best:

- High base HP and SAtk, along with its type, allow it to absorb many special attacks.
- It's lack of speed make it the perfect candidate for Curse.
- Curse increases its Atk and Def by 1 level every time it is used. (I believe the max is 6)
- It can withstand physical attacks as easily as special attacks after 2 Curses.
- Rest replenishes ALL lost HP and curses it of ANY status ailment.
- After using Rest, it cannot attack for two turns, while the opponent has to, giving it an advantage in stalling against almost all other Pokemon.

I didn't mention the many other movesets that Snorlax can use (namely Stalkerlax which is my favorite) because all of them are inferior to Curselax. It is this moveset that makes it such a beast and the strongest Pokemon in the game.

 

[Circuit]

I am afraid "Heracross is much better" and "Curselax is bleh" fail miserably as arguments. Here, again, are the reasons why Snorlax is the best:

- High base HP and SAtk, along with its type, allow it to absorb many special attacks.
- It's lack of speed make it the perfect candidate for Curse.
- Curse increases its Atk and Def by 1 level every time it is used. (I believe the max is 6)
- It can withstand physical attacks as easily as special attacks after 2 Curses.
- Rest replenishes ALL lost HP and curses it of ANY status ailment.
- After using Rest, it cannot attack for two turns, while the opponent has to, giving it an advantage in stalling against almost all other Pokemon.

I didn't mention the many other movesets that Snorlax can use (namely Stalkerlax which is my favorite) because all of them are inferior to Curselax. It is this moveset that makes it such a beast and the strongest Pokemon in the game.

I agree that Curselax is a beast in the meta game. It's attacks suit it well and I would choose the Shadow Ball. Although I haven't been able to get one for a while now.

 

[Milke]

I am afraid "Heracross is much better" and "Curselax is bleh" fail miserably as arguments. Here, again, are the reasons why Snorlax is the best:

- High base HP and SAtk, along with its type, allow it to absorb many special attacks.
- It's lack of speed make it the perfect candidate for Curse.
- Curse increases its Atk and Def by 1 level every time it is used. (I believe the max is 6)
- It can withstand physical attacks as easily as special attacks after 2 Curses.
- Rest replenishes ALL lost HP and curses it of ANY status ailment.
- After using Rest, it cannot attack for two turns, while the opponent has to, giving it an advantage in stalling against almost all other Pokemon.

I didn't mention the many other movesets that Snorlax can use (namely Stalkerlax which is my favorite) because all of them are inferior to Curselax. It is this moveset that makes it such a beast and the strongest Pokemon in the game.

- High base HP and SAtk, along with its type, allow it to absorb many special attacks.

Ok, first of all, it has a SAtk base stat of 65, which is hardly high. Also Blissey and many other special walls can special wall much better than Curselax.

It's lack of speed make it the perfect candidate for Curse.

This is true, but who says a wall has to be fast? Any wall could have curse and use it - they dont have to be slow to use curse, almost any sweeper will outspeed them anyway.

Curse increases its Atk and Def by 1 level every time it is used. (I believe the max is 6)

Thank you captain obvious. But seriously, many other pokemon can use curse as well.

Rest replenishes ALL lost HP and curses it of ANY status ailment.

Captain Obvious strikes again! Pretty much ANY pokemon can learn rest, FYI.

After using Rest, it cannot attack for two turns, while the opponent has to, giving it an advantage in stalling against almost all other Pokemon.

Ok...not quite seeing your logic here...having a two turn loss of movement is good how?

Why is the opponent at a DISADVANTAGE because they can attack? This makes no sense.


Any other arguments?

I'll admit, Curselax and his brethren are cool, but he is NOT the best pokemon. Not by a long shot.

 

[groudonlover]

All of the strongest pokemons are ethier legendary or über(the über means über-powerful pokemon, why else should it be called über!)
But Breloom is almost unbeatable if trained right!
Moveset:
Giga Drain
Leech Seed
Sky Uppercut
(something... currently Strength in lack of better moves...)
Nature & EV's: I don't really care that much of that... Something with +Atk or +SAtk

Or maybe Milotic:
Moveset:
Recover
Ice Beam
Surf
Hypnosis/Dragonbreath
Natures & EV's: Modest and if you have time, all EV's in Sp. Atk and Speed/Defense

 

[Circuit]

Hmm Curselax is strong but now I'm remembering my old Blaziken. It was awesome. With Sky Uppercut and Blaze Kick it was my best. Now I think it might be Blaziken. Yes.

 

[Ru-Kun]

Milotic is pretty strong when it has the right moves, but Starmie can get pretty powerful when it has it's electric attacks so I'm kind of undicided.

 

[shanecdavis]

Comments in bold:

- High base HP and SAtk, along with its type, allow it to absorb many special attacks.

Ok, first of all, it has a SAtk base stat of 65, which is hardly high. Also Blissey and many other special walls can special wall much better than Curselax.

Typo. That was meant SDef, not SAtk. SAtk obviously has nothing to do with the ability to absorb attacks. Blissey, Regice, and Umby wall better, but none of them benefit from Curse the way Snorlax does. Which is the real point of pointing out that it can wall, causing a switch, which gives Snorlax a free Curse. It has the highest base Atk of any special wall.

It's lack of speed make it the perfect candidate for Curse.

This is true, but who says a wall has to be fast? Any wall could have curse and use it - they dont have to be slow to use curse, almost any sweeper will outspeed them anyway.

Again, the point isn't it being a wall, the point is that its ability to take hits and the fact that it doesn't rely on speed make it the best candidate for Curse.

Curse increases its Atk and Def by 1 level every time it is used. (I believe the max is 6)

Thank you captain obvious. But seriously, many other pokemon can use curse as well.

Again, other Pokemon can use it (like Swampert), but are not set up as well as Snorlax.

Rest replenishes ALL lost HP and curses it of ANY status ailment.

Captain Obvious strikes again! Pretty much ANY pokemon can learn rest, FYI.

Not sure what point you are trying to make here. The fact that other Pokemon can learn Rest too doesn't mean anything..

After using Rest, it cannot attack for two turns, while the opponent has to, giving it an advantage in stalling against almost all other Pokemon.

Ok...not quite seeing your logic here...having a two turn loss of movement is good how?

Why is the opponent at a DISADVANTAGE because they can attack? This makes no sense.

It makes sense when your opponent attempts to outstall Snorlax since they no longer have the ability to KO it. Not quite as cool as Lugia's Pressure, but still effective.

Any other arguments?

I'll admit, Curselax and his brethren are cool, but he is NOT the best pokemon. Not by a long shot.

And yet you still have not provided a valid argument as to what Pokemon is better than Snorlax.

Hmm Curselax is strong but now I'm remembering my old Blaziken. It was awesome. With Sky Uppercut and Blaze Kick it was my best. Now I think it might be Blaziken. Yes.

Except Blaziken suffers from bad typing, poor base Def and HUGE weaknesses to two of the most common moves in the game - Earthquake and Surf.

 

[TriVu]

Skarmory is possibly one of the strongest pokemon ever, being immune to 2 types and being resistant to 9 types and only being weak against 2 types and 4 other types giving average damage, with this moveset, it is very strong:

Air Slash
Damage: 75
Accuracy: 95%
PP: 20

Rock Slide
Damage: 75
Accuracy: 95%
PP: 10

Night Slash
Damage: 70
Accuracy: 100%
PP: 15

Steel Wing
Damage: 70
Accuracy: 90%
PP: 25

It is stronger against Electric than Fire as most Electric moves are physical with Skarmorys being very strong in Defense, but Fire is most effective as the moves are Special and Skarmorys being quite weak in SP.Def.

Also, with Razor Claw, Skarmorys can be very effective!

 

[The Darkroom]

Although Snorlax is strong, I think that Lapras is the strongest Pokemon.

Lapras's greatest weakness is electric attacks, though even these do not do a great deal of damage to Lapras. Lapras can also learn a variety of super effective attacks which make it nearly invincible.

A Lapras with an Enigma Berry is. . . . just unstoppable.

Ice Beam
Ice Beam is a very effective attack that does quite a bit of damage, and may freeze the opponent. This attack is one of my personal favorites due to it's high accuracy rate.

Thunderbolt
This attack can be learned by Lapras [I taught it to mine yesterday] and it protects Lapras from its slight disadvantage to other water types. This attack, like Ice Beam, has a possibility to incapacitate the opponent.

Psychic
Another attack that has an occasional dual effect ---- psychic in itself is a very powerful attack, but it may also confuse the opponent.

Hydro Pump
Hydro Pump is just a very powerful attack.

That is why Lapras is the best. Ever.

 

[shanecdavis]

Skarmory is possibly one of the strongest pokemon ever, being immune to 2 types and being resistant to 9 types and only being weak against 2 types and 4 other types giving average damage, with this moveset, it is very strong:

Air Slash
Damage: 75
Accuracy: 95%
PP: 20

Rock Slide
Damage: 75
Accuracy: 95%
PP: 10

Night Slash
Damage: 70
Accuracy: 100%
PP: 15

Steel Wing
Damage: 70
Accuracy: 90%
PP: 25

It is stronger against Electric than Fire as most Electric moves are physical with Skarmorys being very strong in Defense, but Fire is most effective as the moves are Special and Skarmorys being quite weak in SP.Def.

Also, with Razor Claw, Skarmorys can be very effective!

Skarmory is definitely one of the strongest Pokemon. It's problem though is that it is limited offensively, and has no way around its Fire and Electric weaknesses. Also, this thread is about Pokemon up to RSE, so your moveset, while strong, is not legal.

Although Snorlax is strong, I think that Lapras is the strongest Pokemon.

Lapras's greatest weakness is electric attacks, though even these do not do a great deal of damage to Lapras. Lapras can also learn a variety of super effective attacks which make it nearly invincible.

A Lapras with an Enigma Berry is. . . . just unstoppable.

Ice Beam
Ice Beam is a very effective attack that does quite a bit of damage, and may freeze the opponent. This attack is one of my personal favorites due to it's high accuracy rate.

Thunderbolt
This attack can be learned by Lapras [I taught it to mine yesterday] and it protects Lapras from its slight disadvantage to other water types. This attack, like Ice Beam, has a possibility to incapacitate the opponent.

Psychic
Another attack that has an occasional dual effect ---- psychic in itself is a very powerful attack, but it may also confuse the opponent.

Hydro Pump
Hydro Pump is just a very powerful attack.

That is why Lapras is the best. Ever.

Lapras is another strong Pokemon, but there is a reason it is in the BL tier instead of OU like Snorlax and Blissey. Snorlax has higher base HP, SDef, and a much higher Atk. Not to mention it doesn't have any special weaknesses. I am a big Lapras fan myself, but it just isn't quite in Snorlax's class.

 

[Cactus Twist]

Starmie would work much better with that moveset than would Lapras
It gets STAB psychic and surf/hydro pump. It can also learn BoltBeam combine that with good Speed and SAtk. Not to mention rapid spinning abilities. I don't know if I would call Starmie best though. Gengar would probably be a better special sweeper even.

Walls are fine and dandy, but they bore me. I like pokemon who will do some damage.

 

[Azonic]

Lapras is freaking BL.

Also another good Pokemon would definitely have to be Suicune. It has it's fair amount of counters, but when used correctly it's extremely annoying to take down. With bulk on both defensive sides, Suicune can be a complete monster if it gets to set up. Roar will take care of any other Pokemon that tries to set up on it, and Substitute is a nice move to Pressure stall low PP moves out of their PP, but not used very often. Anyways, it's basic strategy is to just Calm Mind up and set a sweep, with Rest to recover off the excess damage. Then, it sets for a sweep with its average Speed, but the extra bulk in it's arena. It's a monster if you let it set up, and can counter opposing Snorlax with Roar.

Snorlax and Suicune are two definite candidates for the best Pokemon.

 

[Angelic Diablo]

Tyranitar gets my vote, he is just so damn diverse that half the time he will take your team by surprise and drop your pokemon like nobodies business.

His only real let downs are his speed and his quad weakness to fighting, but with Dragon Dance that only really leaves his fighting weakness (among others mind you).

Sandstream just makes this guy hella annoying as well, negating leftovers for all those non rock/steel/ground types out there.

 

[Ayouki Emerald]

Aggron Or Rhydon
There Both Really Powerful
There favourites of mine

Aggron honestly sucks at typing, Rhydon, well, like Aggron has two 4x SE. Not that powerful...

Snorlax @ Leftovers
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 144 HP / 68 Atk / 132 Def / 164 SpD
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Body Slam/Return
- Curse
- Rest
- Shadow Ball/Earthquake/Fire Blast

First of all, outside of Blissey, Snorlax is the best special wall in the game. High base SDef (110) and HP (160), along with no weakness to special moves allows this to switch in on a special attacker, and give a free Curse while the opponent switches out. Anyone not familiar with Curse should know that while it is a Ghost move that drops the target's HP by 1/4 each turn, if a non-Ghost Pokemon uses it their Atk and Def will increase one stage (50% increase) while their Spd will decrease one stage instead. Basically, it seems this alternate effect was created with Snorlax in mind. Since Snorlax is already not swift afoot, the decrease in Spd doesn't matter, but the Atk/Def is what turns this sleepy giant into a team sweeper.


Simply the best.

I would definitely say Curselax is a powerful moveset but not the strongest. I've personally raised a Snorlax with this kinds of moves and nature but still isn't that strong.

Well, since Thick fat is there, it leaves it vulnerable to annoyers. THEY WILL STATUS YOU. There not just gonna mind a large and heavy behemoth raise its stats. Sure, rest is there but what happens if you are asleep for three turns? You have Leftovers there to heal you but no instant wake... They will attack you physically because his base Def. stat is 65... (Not cursed) Hazers are a good counter as its stats increase.Or, a slower death with the Evasion Clause and Toxic, Will-o-the-wisp or Leech seed. A few weaknesses...

But Breloom is almost unbeatable if trained right!
Breloom@Scope lens
Adamant/Jolly
Moveset:
Spore
Leech Seed
Focus Punch
Iron Tail

This is a standard Sweeper set for Breloom.
Comments in Bold
Or maybe Milotic:
Moveset:
Recover
Ice Beam
Surf
Hypnosis/Dragonbreath
Natures & EV's: Modest and if you have time, all EV's in Sp. Atk and Speed/Defense

I have a different opinion, pseudo legends get my vote.
OU's like Salamence and Metagross

Metagross@Leftovers/Quick claw
Characteristic: Clear Body
EVs: /252 Attack /252 Sp.Def./ 6 Hp
Sassy

Earhquake
Meteor Mash
Psychic
Shadowball
Metagross does have at least one thing going for it in my book, and that would be its incredible type combo. An awesome and unique dual type is something that isn't limited to legendaries, and Metagross is fortunate enough to be possessed of one of the very best. A Steel/Psychic marriage yields many resistances and few weaknesses (none of which are compounded), and while I would've rather seen this combo on an average Pokemon who could really use such an advantage (as opposed to a pseudo-legendary with the stats to make even a sucky type combo like Fire/Rock work), I will say I'm satisfied to see that it made its way into the game at all.

Salamence@Leftovers/Scope lens
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 4 HP/252Atk/252Speed(Dunno?)
Mild
Aerial Ace
Dragon Claw
Earthquake
Fire Blast/Hydro Pump

Definitely the most unexpected Mixed Sweeper in R/S/E Aerial and D-CLaw for STAB Hydro or BLast for those annoying mid-class sweepers and Earthquake for that grand physical sweep.

"ZOMG BLAZIKEN FTW HE PWNS ALL N00BS"

 

[Dukey]

Gyarados, seriously, as soon as he got EQ he can beat the game with ease...

 

[Sounds]

I know a lv 100 Blaziken can Beat the E4 without taking any damage(exept for sharpedo) in R/S but not E(Wallace) otherwise i'd say Flygon,fast,strong and cool