Ravecat
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All generations have good and bad.
You're all just being nostalgic.
You're all just being nostalgic.
I thank you for saying this.i liked the 4th gen pokemon, but the first gen was the most creative
All generations have good and bad.
You're all just being nostalgic.
Yeah... I hate the new starters. They are the ugliest things I've ever seen! When I saw them I thought, "Ok. Maybe this is the point where I'll (finally) get out."
It's not all about the starters but it seems like as good of a time as any to just stop with the new games and focus on the old ones. :/
But Gamefreak already did that twice. FireRed/Leafgreen and HeartGold/SoulSilver were made to cater to older generations.
I thought my tl;dr was good, but this pretty much covers another point of view I share. Every generation that comes out, people are quick to speculate on how these games will be rubbish compared to the originals without first giving it a chance of at least playing through it. Basically what they're doing is "judging a book by its covers" to put it simply.As someone who grew up when Red and Blue came out, I must say I like the first two generations the best. However, the Pokemon designs appeal to me solely because of nostalgia, not creativity (although, they were more creative at the time than any competitors).
I was actually going to quit Pokemon after Silver, since I was satisfied with where the franchise was, and Gen. II was far superior in graphics and gameplay to Gen. I, while including the entire area of Kanto. However, I recieved a copy of Ruby as an unexpected gift and was immediately hooked by the creativity of the Pokemon. Despite my dislike of Treecko and Torchic which prompted me to pick Mudkip, I enjoyed the designs of nearly every new Pokemon. They were different, yes, but that was not a bad thing. It opened up my world of Pokemon because I realized that it didn't have to be exactly like earlier games to still be the same Pokemon experience I had come to enjoy. The beauty of the graphics and new environs just made it that much more appealing.
When Diamond and Pearl came out, I was much more unsure about the designs, but they have grown on me over the years because I gave them a chance. And as they have done so I notice more and more that they are still in almost the same style as earlier Pokemon, they do have that "Sugimori touch", and I just couldn't see it before. And from what I've seen of Gen. V, the designs are much better and much easier to recognize as Pokemon than Gen. IV was.
Now, I still have newer Pokemon I don't like the designs for (e.g. Nosepass, Hippopotas) but there were also older Pokemon that didn't grow on me until their newer graphics and movesets in Gen. III, such as Farfetch'd, Lickitung, Aipom, Igglybuff, etc. (well, I still don't like the look of Igglybuff).
So basically the point of my rambling wall of text is to give the new guys the benefit of the doubt and don't compare them to the earlier Pokemon until you have the chance to get used to them. Nostalgia vs novelty always skews the balance too much to render objective judgment now.
My point exactly. People are judging Black and White too soon before even giving it a try. They could "look" dumb, but that says nothing about the games right now other than a mere opinion to compared to what it actually may be like.I didn't mean that about the catering. I mean that as an individual player *I* will focus on the old games and not even bother with B/W since they look dumb.
GameFreak is a company, and like all companies their goal is to keep making money. As long as Pokémon is still a popular franchise and continues to grow as it is today, then there will always be more Pokémon in the future and more games to come with it.But I read on another thread that they might be the final games? If that's true, I'll probably go ahead and get them just so that I'll be able to say I've played them all. And maybe they'll have some cool features that will be fun, idk.
It's only the fact that these games SEEM to never stop being made that makes me want to quit getting new ones.
Well, basicly this thread is just a cry of irritation as once again it seems that the new Pokemon will be exaggerated with random objects and signs infiltrated in their being/body(whatever you call it). I have seen the new pokemon starters and legendarys and find them together with the 4th generation massivly exaggerated and too "fancy". The reason I like Pokemon, is mainly because of the 1st and 2nd generation who had simple pokemon with no "ultra"-shields and random trees on their back. There are of course some exceptions in the 4th generation, but they are rare. Pokemon is getting uglier every generation.
This^. That part of your post is exactly what I think.I just hate when they start to look like Digimon or something off of the those other shows.
What about Steelix? Nidoking? heck, even Blastoise has "random objects" on it. Cannons on a turtle? That's what I'd call random. And before you say that they were creative, look at newer Pokémon like Metagross, who also has a creative design. BTW, I'm not saying that Blastoise is bad. It's actually pretty good.Pokemon will be exaggerated with random objects and signs infiltrated are pretty ugly; but look at in their being/body(whatever you call it).
This paragraph captures my feelings perfectly. I loved Gen. 3. It was so innovative, and it came out at a significant part of my life, which gives me a blast of nostalgia just thinking about it. I mean, I was blown away by the improved berry mechanics (which Johto introduced), the GBA graphics, and the new "natures". (which I had no idea of what they did initially, I was only in the 4th grade. I just thought it was a cool personality, lol.) Me and two of my friends all got seperate starters, which bumped up the fun factor. I love Torchic, which has been my only starter from that gen. Ahh...memories.
My favorite generation thus far is Generation Three, not because it was my first game, but because it was a major step up since the Second Gen in that it took a great change in graphics and made all their new Pokémon quite creative compared to the simple ones from the previous two (not saying they aren't great, because there are a fair share of 1st and 2nd Gen Pokémon that I like). However, when I first saw Treecko and its evolutions, I simply despised it. I never once wanted to choose it, until one day I restarted my game after many times before and decided to go with it just for the heck of it. You know what? After giving it a chance, Treecko's line of evolution ended up becoming my favorite starter thus far - and still remains so today. Point is, before you're quick to judge the new Pokémon and diminish them to the older generation Pokémon, give them a chance.
TVTropes Ruined FOREVER said:The Pokémon was always better before (insert current generation here). Usually either centered around complaints that new Pokemon are not as "cool" looking as older ones, or complaints that adding extra evolutions have ruined that Pokemon forever. Diamond/Pearl also had the usual complaints, plus claims that a dramatic re-balancing of all the moves (creating "special" and "physical" categories) ruined competitive battling forever.
The main reaction to HeartGold and SoulSilver seem to be "OMG they replaced Kris with Lyra! Ruined FOREVER!
OMFG the grass looks slightly different! Ruined FOREVER!
The game has more detail?! It's RUINED 4EVER!!!
Whitney's Miltank is one level lower in HG/SS?!?! EPIC FAIL GAMEFREAK
Perhaps a little conspiracy theory to go with it? "JUNICHI MASUDA IS BLACKMAILING THE ALMIGHTY TAJIRI-SAN TO TAKE OVER POKEMON! IT IS RUINED 4EVER!"
Lopunny, Gardevoir, et al led to cries of "FURRYMON" across the Internet. A Japanese video game with Cute Monster Girls? That's just crazy talk.
As soon as his silhouette was revealed, Zoroark was accused of being a Replacement Scrappy of Lucario. Seriously, WHAT?!
When people saw Pokemon from 3rd and 4th Gen: Pokemon look like robots instead of animals?! RUINED FOREVER!
The Tin Tower is now called Bell Tower. THE END OF THE WORLD IS COMING!!
The titles of the new games are BLACK and WHITE?! Oh no the, series is now absolutely going emo/racist by the NAME ALONE!!! It has been RUINED FOREVER!!!
The starters for Black and White have been revealed. People are, you guessed it, screaming 'RUINED FOREVER!'
The in-battle sprites are now animated. But the back-view sprites look low-res and blown-up! Nintendo doesn't care about Pokémon anymore!
The legendaries for Black and White were just revealed. What?! Black on white and white on black?! The black legendary slightly resembles Palkia?!! NO, NINTENDO, YOU SUCK YOU RUINED POKEMON!!
TVTropes They Changed It Now It Sucks said:Let's not get started on those who believe that the first three games, Red/Blue/Yellow, are the only ones that count. Especially when they go against Gold/Silver, even though they fixed issues that the original had. What's this? My Mewtwo/Butterfree can't destroy everything with one Psychic/Psybeam? What an outrage! They changed evolution lines? Pokémon like Golbat and Seadra are made useful? Scandalous! They thought that a new region should actually contain new species of Pokémon?!? HOW DARE THEY RUIN SOMETHING SO PURE! Etc, etc. Odd thing is, some go on as to attack each generation for the point that it is not their generation's Pokémon, whereas the first two generations were only two years apart, technically still being in "their" generation...
This also leads, in later generations, to complaints that the new ones are "too unoriginal" and/or "too different" and that the 1st gen's Pokémon were the best and most original and most different. Despite the fact that a number of the Pokémon (while memorable) where...just bigger versions of the others. Muk is just a bigger Grimer, Electrode is a bigger upside-down Voltorb, Magneton is three Magnemites, etc.
Aaand now... many longtime fans are suddenly complaining about Generation Five's preview Pokemon. Complaints range from Zorark "looking like an emo Sonic The Hedgehog" to "The water one looks like it has a penis on its chest". "The new female character looks like a *****." is also a common complaint, even though it has been already explained that the characters are older than in other games.
This is the entire quote from the pokemon section of Ruined FOREVER, pay attention to the bold. THIS is what the people with the rose-tinted nostalgia glasses keep adding to, and it's getting annoying. The newer pokemon aren't that bad. In fact, they're probably more creative then the old ones, because Gen 1 was basically animals with superpowers, with a couple of exceptions.