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What if: Germany had won the Battle of Britain

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    Well, assuming that by 'Germany' you mean those that ruled over its territory and terrorized its citizens not a lot less than anybody else:
    The war would have lasted longer, but Stalin would still have saved the day. Russia's sphere of influence would have reached a bit further to the west. Its grossly distorted form of Communism might have worked out better than it did in reality and been more successful. Or maybe not.
     
    Legobricks

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    I take it then that Nazi Germany winning the Battle of the Atlantic is a given.
    Operation Sealion would go ahead, the British Isles would be taken within a month or two.

    Any straightforward trans-Atlantic amphibious operation would fail miserably, so the US wouldn't enter the European theatre until much later, and possibly not at all, of that I'm fairly certain; unless perhaps Iceland would've been willing to thrust itself into the war as a base for the US, but with the danger of U-boats this'd only have a chance to happen in 1943 at the earliest.

    There are a lot of end possibilities, the simplest being the USSR winning against Germany and the US against Japan... The most arduous being Germany winning against the USSR and the US against Japan, leaving the US and Germany, which could result in an atomic exchange and from there who knows; a very sombre 20th century at least.
     

    Jack O'Neill

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    Cassino said:
    I take it then that Nazi Germany winning the Battle of the Atlantic is a given.
    Operation Sealion would go ahead, the British Isles would be taken within a month or two.

    Any straightforward trans-Atlantic amphibious operation would fail miserably, so the US wouldn't enter the European theatre until much later, and possibly not at all, of that I'm fairly certain; unless perhaps Iceland would've been willing to thrust itself into the war as a base for the US, but with the danger of U-boats this'd only have a chance to happen in 1943 at the earliest.
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    Not only did the Kriegsmarine lack the sheer amount of force needed to seriously challenge the Royal Navy in the first place, it also lacked specialized landing craft and would have had to rely on river barges to transport ground forces and supplies across the English Channel; not only would these barges be limited in their carrying capacity, they would have been highly vulnerable to enemy attack and rough seas. Operation Sealion would have been an unmitigated disaster if it had actually been attempted; if the invasion force wasn't picked off by the Home Fleet, it would have surely drowned without ever coming within sight of the English coast.

    Also, you're completely wrong about Iceland. The United Kingdom occupied it in May 1940 after the fall of Denmark, then handed over control to the United States in July 1941. Even if the Icelandic government was formally neutral, it provided de facto cooperation to the Allies for the duration of the war.

    Even on the off chance that the United Kingdom would fall to Germany, the United States already had a plan for that: AWPD-1. The USAAF could have bombed Germany to rubble at its leisure all the way from across the Atlantic, and the Luftwaffe couldn't do a damn thing about it.

    Of course, all of this is riding on Germany somehow winning the Battle of Britain in the first place, which is a distinct impossibility no matter how you interpret the facts. The Luftwaffe as it was at the time was simply unsuited for strategic bombing.
     

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    Thank you for your answers, I have a theory aswell:

    The Battle of Britain was a very significant battle.

    If it had been won by Germany, Hitler could focus all attention on Russia - No doubt being able to win.
    With the strongest air force and strongest land force on his side, Hitler would attack the American U-Boats, lowering America's morale. No doubt winning this battle, America would have been forced to work with Germany and build the Nuclear bomb. If the Invasion of America was lost, it would of fallen within that decade as Hitler's forces could of built the bomb and launch it over America. No doubt if America lost the first invasion, they would have no resources to fight back at Germany or launch an attack first. America would of eventually persuaded Britain into revolting against Germany -- As they needed the air force and they(America) would supply Naval ships. The last sentence would of occured if America hadn't of been nuked. If they were nuked, no doubt Nuclear War would of broke out - bringing the world to an end.



    I conclude my theory that the Battle of Britain had severe consequences if Germany had won.
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    Jack O'Neill

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    KieronGames said:
    If it had been won by Germany, Hitler could focus all attention on Russia - No doubt being able to win.
    With the strongest air force and strongest land force on his side, Hitler would attack the American U-Boats, lowering America's morale. No doubt winning this battle, America would have been forced to work with Germany and build the Nuclear bomb. If the Invasion of America was lost, it would of fallen within that decade as Hitler's forces could of built the bomb and launch it over America. No doubt if America lost the first invasion, they would have no resources to fight back at Germany or launch an attack first. America would of eventually persuaded Britain into revolting against Germany -- As they needed the air force and they(America) would supply Naval ships. The last sentence would of occured if America hadn't of been nuked. If they were nuked, no doubt Nuclear War would of broke out - bringing the world to an end.



    I conclude my theory that the Battle of Britain had severe consequences if Germany had won.
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    For starters, just as Germany never had a chance of defeating the United Kingdom, it never had a chance of defeating the Soviet Union either. Despite some early successes, Operation Barbarossa was ultimately doomed to failure; Hitler and his general staff were so confident of a quick victory that they did not even entertain the possibility of winter warfare, which became an inevitability as the German offensive stalled. If you actually knew something about World War II or the Napoleonic Wars, you should already be familiar with how fighting in Russia during the winter is an extremely unwise idea; it's extremely cold, and it's immediately preceded by a mud season where just about every unpaved surface becomes near-impossible to traverse with horses or motorized vehicles. Soviet industrial capability at the start of World War II was on par with Germany's and second only to that of the United States, and the Soviets were consistently able to outproduce Germany at every turn. The only reason why the Germans were so successful in the early stages of Barbarossa was because the Soviets were caught with their pants down; they were still in the process of adopting new equipment and tactics in light of Germany's earlier successes in Poland, France, and the Low Countries.

    Since when did the United States Navy conduct submarine warfare on a significant scale in the Atlantic Ocean? Germany's merchant marine was never that large to begin with, and it wasn't as dependent on overseas commerce as the United Kingdom or Japan were. Also, where are you getting the idea that the United States would actually ally with Germany under any circumstance, where are you getting the idea that many of the scientists who fled Europe in the first place to escape Nazi persecution would suddenly want to help the Nazis build nukes, and where are you getting the idea that the Germans could actually cross the Atlantic to invade the American mainland in the first place? If the Kriegsmarine had no hope of challenging the Royal Navy, what makes you think it could actually take on the U.S. Navy without losing horribly? Also, there's AWPD-1 to consider; if Great Britain falls, the USAAF starts sending its bombers across the Atlantic, and the Luftwaffe can't do a damn thing about the ever-intensifying ass-beating they're receiving.

    Even if in this wet dream of yours the Germans actually succeed in crossing the Atlantic and landing in the United States, where are the Germans going to pull the manpower needed to occupy the entire country, and how are they going to fight off the inevitable partisan attacks? Soviet Marshal Georgy Zhukov famously said that it would be impossible to conquer America because there are too many gas stations and too many empty Coke bottles; in other words, the entire country would be set aflame by Molotov cocktails before it would fall to any foreign aggressor.

    You want to ask all these questions, but you don't seem to be interested in actually learning. You should also do very well to read your own thread on Pearl Harbour and learn about why direct American intervention in World War II was an inevitability and about why Germany would never get nuclear weapons no matter how hard it tried.
     
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