All you have done is dissect portions of posts you disagreed with and tried to correct someone else. Also, linking to Wikipedia? Do you know how weak that is? Especially since anyone can change anything on Wikipedia? Look it up in a dictionary. A fact is not undisputed. Its an accepted truth based on a collection of accurate information.
Though since you want to use Wikipedia, I guess I'll quote the link you obviously failed to read.
A fact (derived from the Latin factum, see below) is something that has really occurred or is actually the case. The usual test for a statement of fact is verifiability, that is whether it can be proven to correspond to experience. Standard reference works are often used to check facts. Scientific facts are verified by repeatable experiments.
Ok so you say nothing I have posted is a fact. All of it is my opinion. So its all my opinion that Gamefreak has never made a Pokemon Spin Off game.
Pokemon Trading Card Game -Hudson Soft
Pokemon Pinbal- Jupiter
Pokemon Ranger- HAL Laboratory (thought it was Studio, its Laboratory)
Shadow of Almia, Guardian Signs - Creatures Inc.
Stadium/2 - Nintendo EAD/HAL Laboratory
Colosseum/XD: GoD - Genius Sonority
Battle Revolution - Genius Sonority
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon -Chunsoft
Gates to Infinity - Spike Chunsoft
Honestly, the list is too long and Gamefreak wasn't part of any of them. Guess this is all my opinion though. Even express statements made by directors Satoshi and Junichi during interviews that said they don't want nor intend to make home console versions is also just my opinion and not any form of a fact.
Fun little except from your Wikipedia link:
Alternatively, fact may also indicate an allegation or stipulation of something that may or may not be a "true fact",[7] (e.g., "the author's facts are not trustworthy"). This alternate usage, although contested by some, has a long history in standard English.
The entire basis of what I have been saying fits perfectly into this. What I have said are allegations or stipulations of something that may or may not be a "true fact". This is pointed towards:
Strange Souvenir doesn't relate to anything but a Main Game because Gamefreak doesn't make Spin Offs.
The allegation is that Gamefreak doesn't make Spin Offs. So the stipulation is as long as Gamefreak doesn't make spin offs, the point presented is a fact. It is not necessarily true as that CAN change as I HAVE said REPEATEDLY yet you seem to conveniently ignore.
More fun excerpts that you provide in support of my posts:
Fact may also indicate findings derived through a process of evaluation, including review of testimony, direct observation, or otherwise; as distinguishable from matters of inference or speculation.[9] This use is reflected in the terms "fact-find" and "fact-finder"
All "Facts" I have posted are direct observations and all of the conclusions are derived through process of evaluation.
Your link also says nothing about a fact being indisputable. It is a fact until something comes along to contradict it.
It's a public thread. If you didn't want other people commenting, switch to using PMs.
I am not "attacking," I am debating.
You make baseless claims in defense of someone who needed no defending, twist words to try and discredit and throw dirt on the other person involved. You can't even use your own defense properly as all you've done is thrown more fuel into the fire used against your own case. As I stated, you used a Wikipedia article, something easily edited by anyone and something that holds no credible value, even if it supports my entire argument.
Correction != Assumption.
Incorrect correction.
I read the whole thread. I was not "throwing dirt," I was attempting to get a point across. Obviously you are unable to understand what both I and howmander are trying to say.
You haven't read anything of what I have posted and it is easily apparent that you are just responding with anything you think you can throw at me. I seriously can't even tell if you are doing this to troll or not. It really seems the only reason you are even bothering to respond is just to troll. Even the hissy fit ending you are trying to play off, "We're right and you just can't accept that we are so I'll leave you alone since you can't see that we're right and you're wrong."
Ah, so kind of like what you're doing? I haven't stated a single opinion of mine in this entire thread.
Your entire posts have been nothing but your own opinion. Gamefreak making a Spin Off despite never making one before, is an opinion you have. Even if you don't believe it personally, you post it only to try to counter what I post even when you have posted the wrong thing. Your belief that I'm only posting assumptions is also an opinion simply because you don't believe what I posted as fact. You have an incorrect definition and understanding of the word fact so since our definitions are different, you are the only one correct and I'm using opinions pushed forward as facts despite proof of them being facts being laid out plain as day.
Always do.
I tire of this conversation. You're ignoring all my main points, latching onto keywords in my paragraphs, and throwing them back at me. Listen, I don't need my own words thrown back at me. I read them twice after writing them and I don't need to do so again. I'm leaving this conversation until you are ready to address the actual points in my posts.
I doubt that will actually happen, so this is probably good bye. See ya.
Mary Sue it up all you want, but you have presented no points. There was no latching of key words. I threw your words back at you because you cannot even follow the advice you so desperately try to preach to others. You've done nothing but ignore facts since jumping in of your own accord simply to attack another person who feels differently than you do because your opinion differs.
Show facts that the Strange Souvenir could relate to a spin off. Gamefreak has never use reference material to show a possible spin off in the past. While the reverse however is true. The Spin Offs HAVE shown references to Main Games since they branch from those games. Gale of Darkness, purposefully included Munchlax and Bonsly as marketing for Generation 4. That's all that was. It was a pre-planned marketing strategy by TPC to try and boost failing sales in the Pokemon main franchise. Pokemon Mystery Dungeon did the same thing using Riolu and Weavile. The two were obtainable statues. They were only to build hype for the next Generation of Pokemon Main Games in hopes to boost the sales by increasing marketing. It is something that the Anime usually does before rolling into the next generation.
We won't see what the next main game is until 1) Gamefreak says what it is and 2) The Anime makes some kind of reference to it. The latter usually comes after the former. Ash only just earned his second badge, so we really have quite a while to wait as these references tend to follow after the 5th badge or so (earliest I can think) or after the league (latest I can think). By the fifth badge, we're usually around the half way mark for the current generation's anime, that's usually the best starting point for new game marketing.
Even though its true from outside sources to market the main games, the main games have never marketed the outside sources that were to be coming out. There has never been a case where the main games marketed a future event for the anime or for a spin off game.
Saying that the Strange Souvenir has no relationship to anything but a new generation is not an assumption. Its derived from facts. It is in its own rights a true statement based on all the conjoining facts that support it. It may be an opinion, but it is not false information. Yes there is a lack of information to go against it. But there is not a lack of information that supports it, even if you don't believe it.
Strange Souvenir not being related also doesn't mean that we aren't getting either. I've repeated that many times now. It just does not state that its existence is related to either the possible existence of Hoenn Remakes or a Wii U spin off/Wii U Main game. I also stated that even if Gamefreak made a Wii U Game, and it was exactly like the current Pokemon handheld games (possibly minus the alternate game cover) it would be a Main game by design. It would have to be completely unrelated to being a main story, like the twist the Orre games had, giving you a completely different end goal.
As for your points, as I said, you had no points. You were only posting to argue, throw dirt on another, and to defend someone who needed no defense. Howmander can defend himself, and much better than how you tried to conduct your attempt. He's fun to debate with and doesn't result to trying to discredit his opponent. He had made his points on what he saw as fact. The arguments between the two of us, even while public are between us. He chooses to believe in what another posts or to keep believing in what he originally believed. He doesn't need assistance in that.
I am someone that needs facts. I was against the Kyurem has multiple forms when it had no facts to back it up. Once facts were presented I accepted those facts. I didn't believe Grey would exists due to lack of facts to support it. Other did due to facts they believed in. Just because you don't believe a fact is a fact doesn't mean it isn't. There are many facts that I listed in this argument I do not personally believe in and hope that the outcome is different, but I am a factual person. Even with all the facts stacked against I believe a different outcome.
A fact is a fact until proven otherwise, just like with the fact that we'd get a Third title for ever main game since Gen 2. (There are four titles in Gen 1. Not world wide, but back at the source there are 4 main Gen 1 games) Some believed that the remake with each new generation was a fact. This was broken with gen 5 as well. Facts can be broken, if and only if new information comes around to dispute it. History has proved this to be a fact in itself.
Again in relationship to Strange Souvenir:
1) It doesn't have anything to do with Hoenn Remakes.
2) With current facts present, it has nothing to do with a Spin Off title.
3) With conclusion to facts present, it is a reference to a new generation.
4) It IS a reference to a new region.
There is also something I did not mention, that is also a fact:
There is supposed to be multiple regions in this Generation.
What is my proof? Guide Book states that there are berries that are not available in the games. These berries are all berries without usable effects other than to be sold. The book says that the only way to get these berries is to trade them from another region.
1) You cannot transfer Berries through the Poke Bank.
2) There is no way to communicate between XY and previous games to transfer Items.
Now its already been stated to be a fact that we'll have no DLC for XY. So the only way for other regions to appear are
1) Remakes
2) Spin Offs that can send to like the Ranger series.
3) Pokemon Attractions of Pokemon Global Link
4) Region Apps for the 3DS. Something akin to the Dream Radar and Pokebank.
In terms of likelihood to happen...
2 - 1 - 3 - 4
Interacting spin offs most likely (Opinion)
Remakes next most likely (Opinion) (Also a can of worms)
Attractions next most likely (Highest probability of happening, but opinion wise, second to last of happening)
Region like apps. (Opinion) (Could forgo the remakes and risk the scorn of their fans. Be something like Dream Radar as a Minigame but connects like the Pokebank. Something possible to do....just unlikely to happen)
