5th Gen BW Compatibility Deception

[Xander Olivieri]

Sorry, but this makes no sense. First, I hadn't followed the updates and I learnt about it right after I got the games. Second, I could have been deceived by the updates themselves since I'm able to imagine the possibility of backward compatibility between the games beforehand!

I seriously wished people could only state their own opinion since it's the point of my topic instead of judging my point of view.


I agree these are great functions. Still you laid your finger right on the cause of my deception! Same platform, no 2-way compatibility. I think I made myself clear by now lol.

But there is no deception. They never said you could. History tells you that you cannot. The Transfer method for Gen three to Gen four was one way. Why would the transfer method of Gen four to Gen five which is directly similar be any different than what has been done before?

And those pointing out the flaw in your discussion are in fact stating their opinions. I am saying that it is your fault for not doing your home work on the subject even if you didn't want to spoil your game play with peeking at it before hand, you couldn't trade backwards in the previous Generation couple even with the dual slot. Nor could you battle which is what your main post was about. You also couldn't battle with G/S/C and R/B/G/Y.

Now you say you assumed that it could despite the one before it not being able to. You didn't look into anything. There was no deception by the game nor its creators. Don't point the blame on other people when you make mistakes.

 

[Zayin]

But there is no deception. They never said you could. History tells you that you cannot. The Transfer method for Gen three to Gen four was one way. Why would the transfer method of Gen four to Gen five which is directly similar be any different than what has been done before?

And those pointing out the flaw in your discussion are in fact stating their opinions. I am saying that it is your fault for not doing your home work on the subject even if you didn't want to spoil your game play with peeking at it before hand, you couldn't trade backwards in the previous Generation couple even with the dual slot. Nor could you battle which is what your main post was about. You also couldn't battle with G/S/C and R/B/G/Y.

Now you say you assumed that it could despite the one before it not being able to. You didn't look into anything. There was no deception by the game nor its creators. Don't point the blame on other people when you make mistakes.

Don't start saying random crap please. I didn't blame anyone, and the only mistake I made is thinking we could battle between gen I and II (and we could through Stadium anyway). It doesn't change the fact I would have liked 2-way trades and battles to be possible between games that all function on the Nintendo DS system, just like gen I and II on the GB/GBC.

Stating the fact it was possible between the first two generations was a mere comparison to add some content to the topic. I would have felt as deceived by the actual gens compatibility if it hadn't existed before. That is because they're both playable on the same platform, and being sold at the same time!

You see, I bought both games at the same time and thought "hey, I'll be happy to trade Pokemon between my cartridges to get some gen IV Pokemon from Black into my Soul Silver and vice-versa". I also have a friend who only owns Soul Silver, and since I started with Black I would have liked to battle her, but I can't yet. I wasn't deceived by something Nintendo or Game Freak would have announced that turned up to be false, I was deceived by my own expectations. I think my reasons to be deceived are justified, and if you're unhappy about it (but why would you?!), just keep it to yourself.

It's fine with me that most people weren't deceived, we're on a forum to discuss and hear about others' opinion. There's no reason to start a flame war.

 

[Maple Meganium]

re: reverse trading: I was frustrated and disappointed. There's no technical reason why they couldn't have supported trading back to Generation 4, imposing similar restrictions to the Time Capsule. Instead of a Poké Transfer, have a Time Capsule Union Room which only allows trading. New Pokémon will show up as empty slots to the GenIV player. New moves will show up as ??? and not allow trading. Items will be automatically removed on the GenV end, and need to be manually removed on the GenIV end. Pokémon with Dream World abilities wouldn't be able to go unless they didn't evolve again. There aren't any game breaking changes introduced to prevent such an interaction. (Technically, Ability Values are decided from a different bit in the PV, but I can think of an easy workaround.)

Sounds like a lot of complicated, unnecessary programming? Not more than writing a brand new, from-scratch Download Play to do the job. The main reason I want such an option is so that I can send my competitive teams to Generation 5 without losing the option to battle with them on Generation 4. This is also required if you want to renickname them. Instead, I've been forced to cloning to accomplish this.

Call me OCD, but it also bugs me to no end that it deletes the Pokémon's Trainer Memo every time it jumps to another generation. I want them to keep their original levels, locations, and dates, TYVM. Keeping the list of old routes takes how many kilobytes of space in the ROM?

re: battling: I don't miss this, and it's programmatically infeasible to include. They'd need to lug around the old, buggy Gen4 battle engine just for this purpose. (If they were to have done this, I elect to show proper Acid Rain effects for the glitched weather condition. :D)

Oh, and citing old G/S/C glitches as an excuse not to include it is moot. That was then. Not only do those glitches have no reason to appear on a different game, more recent games use more stable programming practices (permitted by more RAM, faster speeds, ...), largely avoiding the old style memory glitches.

 

[Ho-Oh]

This thread has somewhat diverted away from the original question, with users discussing how backwards capability worked in other generations, the parts some people like in these games... it's just kind of a mess tbh, and with most others pointing fingers at the OP as to why she shouldn't feel decieved, it just doesn't really seem like a discussion anymore. Plus certain points have been repeated a looot and I think we all get why trading/battling with previous generations didn't happen, but not that many have stated whether they'd prefer that.

With that said... Zayin, if anything, the only think I can think of for you to do (since not many seem to be agreeing here) is to mention how you feel about having to only use the PokeTransfer for trading in the thread for it. And as for being unable to battle with previous generations, you can mention it in the pros / cons thread.

Sorry, but this thread has pretty much covered as much as is possible. :( I just don't feel much more can be discussed from this without going over the same things.