Contradictions between "Cerulean Blues" and some GLs actions.

[weedle_mchairybug]

You know, I was doing my research on the web, and a thought occured to me. The events of Cerulean Blues (That is, the shutting down the Gym part), and what some gyms got away with (Not counting Kanto) seemed inconsistant.

I mean, in Cerulean Blues, the Gym was almost shut down because the Gym Leaders (the Sensational Sisters) left the Gym with no suitable replacement (and it was just a day, anyways.), and yet Fantina was gone for over a month (even before Ash and co. even arrived at Hearthome City) and apparantly the Gym didn't recieve any threats of being shut down.

It also mentioned that anyone gym that had failed safety, cleanliness, and coolness factors (or even got sub-standard, for that matter.) was shut down automatically, and yet the Pewter Gym failed the Safety and coolness factors when Lola took over the Gym (as the paint job she gave it wasn't good at all, not to mention some of the Rock Pokemon were in constant danger in the Battlefield because of their pits being filled with water.) and yet apparantly it passed the inspection test despite the fact that it failed two-thirds of that test (We know it had to have passed the test as Joy, with her mention of inspecting Hoenn Gyms, implied that she had inspected every single Gym in Kanto by the time she ranked Cerulean Gym, and Pewter Gym is still an official gym. Plus, the way Brock reacted in regards to the Gym problems in GCYL implied that he got the call before Misty did.).

Heck, Wattson's Gym actually failed the Safety portion of the test, as the things they had to go through could have decapitated the challengers.

Plus, Pewter Gym also had gotten a far worse makeover in "Grating Spaces", as not only was it given a bad paint job again (and it was even WORSE than the first time it happened), but the "Painters" that Lola stupidly hired for the job were also very shady people who were intending to steal all of the Gyms pokemon.

Anyone notice these very big inconsistencies? I mean, if they HAVE to keep Misty boarded up at a gym, ultimately doomed to become nothing more than a JJM-like character, they should at least keep it consistant with the rest of the Anime canon.

 

[Vernikova]

Well, I wouldn't worry about. There have been some events in the animé that are inconsistant such as electricity shocking rock pokémon or Pikachu"resetting"every generation. I guess it was just used for a plot for the episode.

 

[Jorah]

The inspectors aren't around all the time, I suppose. Wasn't there a gym inspector in the Kanto episode with Electabuzz and Scyther? You could look up those episodes, too.

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

The inspectors aren't around all the time, I suppose. Wasn't there a gym inspector in the Kanto episode with Electabuzz and Scyther? You could look up those episodes, too.

"Showdown at Dark City"? Yeah, the PIA did make their debut appearance in it. I don't count that as shutting down a gym, though, as they weren't official gyms. They were, however, desiring to be Official Gyms, (Hence the resulting gang wars in that town, and the kids having huge amounts of hate towards trainers.).

Even IF the PIA inspector wasn't around all the time, though, I think that they would have done the Kanto Gyms... you know, before setting off to Hoenn (since Cerulean Gym was the last gym inspected before heading off to Hoenn, as stated by Nurse Joy.), which means they would have been bound to have inspected Pewter Gym by then.

Heck, the PIA inspectors would also have probably covered Wattson by then, at least. I mean, unless they are still traveling Hoenn inspecting gyms (Which is highly unrealistic, even WITH the expanded amount of official gyms in the Anime, as it had been a bit more than three months when Ash fought Wattson (As "A date with Delcatty" aired right after it.).). Plus, the rematch against him implied that Wattson was still the Gym Leader. I mean, at the gym or not, I find it 99.9% unlikely, if not 100% unlikely, for him to have passed the test in regards to keeping the Official Gym an official gym, considering what Ash and co. had to go through just to get a gym (A roller coaster ride and a Raikou mechanaloid? I mean, those are very dangerous objects to be placed in a Gym)

 

[Taemin]

Well, I wouldn't worry about. There have been some events in the animé that are inconsistant such as electricity shocking rock pokémon or Pikachu"resetting"every generation. I guess it was just used for a plot for the episode.

I agree with that.

There are inconsistancies simply because they have to be there at times, to make certian episode plotlines more interesting. They probably figure, or hope that the fanbase won't dwell on it to much, or speculate.. Because I don't think even the creators put that much thought into the fact that it doesn't add up with something else in the series.

So it's there for an episode's plotline, nothing more and nothing less. Even if, 50-episodes later it can be contridicted. :/

Might not make a whole lot of sense, but judging by this thread's topic, not a whole lot of things in Pokemon do make sense. nn;

Heck, how does Ash plan to become a Pokemon Master, if he always releases most of his stronger, evolved Pokemon? The world may never know.

 

[Charaxes]

You raise a good point, but, remember, this is the anime. If the series treated itself seriously, as in the early days (somewhat), then I'd treat the Gym issues seriously. This show isn't Star Trek; it establishes rules, sure, but it doesn't adhere to them like Trek would do (or be stuck with them). Always go with whatever the writer's up to, including forgetting canon.

Here's another example: we still don't know the true reason why Giovanni stepped down as GL, both in the show's worldview and ours. At least, he got a replacement lined up. And, no one is asking, "when are you coming back," right?

However, it doesn't matter -- the show has been so-so with the GL and Gyms, in general. It's good to discuss these details, but it's still afterthought and the show is still ongoing. Maybe they'll correct these issues in the future.

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

You raise a good point, but, remember, this is the anime. If the series treated itself seriously, as in the early days (somewhat), then I'd treat the Gym issues seriously. This show isn't Star Trek; it establishes rules, sure, but it doesn't adhere to them like Trek would do (or be stuck with them). Always go with whatever the writer's up to, including forgetting canon.

I wish I'd take that advice, but I hate having to forget anything. I mean, I've seen how some people forgot what a Newspaper, of all things, is. Believe me, I learned of it from Opus, and my even thinking about it gets me angry and tense. And I wouldn't think about it if it wasn't for the fact that absolutely every memory in me is hardwired/branded into my brain.

Here's another example: we still don't know the true reason why Giovanni stepped down as GL, both in the show's worldview and ours. At least, he got a replacement lined up. And, no one is asking, "when are you coming back," right?

I think it was implied that the events of "The Battle of the Badge" as well as Team Rocket's apparant trouble with the law (as stated in Dues and Don'ts in Johto) led to him being evicted from the Gym.

However, it doesn't matter -- the show has been so-so with the GL and Gyms, in general. It's good to discuss these details, but it's still afterthought and the show is still ongoing. Maybe they'll correct these issues in the future.

I surely hope they do, because I think they only made that special as an excuse for Misty "becoming" a Gym Leader (even though it's been established since "The Waterflowers of Cerulean City" that she was already an official Gym Leader to begin with.), not to mention finding an excuse for Misty to stay at the Gym (Even though "Gotta Catch Ya Later!" already stated that her sisters were on leave for three months, and she needed to look over it during those three months.).

Speaking of managing gyms, I also noticed that Misty realized that only she can run the gym properly (Though I will still make sure that she comes back onto the main cast.), but Brock apparantly doesn't completely realize it despite the things he had to fix with Pewter Gym on both his revisits. I mean, Flint couldn't even handle it properly (Pretty much gave up on it in "A family that battles together stays together"), Lola wasn't even taking the Gym Leader job seriously, and Forrest wasn't even managing it the way he should (I mean, he, despite being the Gym Leader, let his mom hire JJM to "redecorate" (hint: VANDALIZE) the Gym, he didn't even battle JJM (Instead, Ash and Brock did.). I don't care if Lola was his mom or not, that doesn't mean he should let her completely (Beep) up the Gym with shady painter thieves. I mean, if Misty was able to dominate over her elder sisters when she was able to become a Gym Leader, why can't Forrest?!)

 

[Crystal Clair]

Weedle, you know what it is? It's a plot device and the writers were lazy when they used it. They didn't think teenage boys would obsess over it like you're doing.

And a series like Pokemon both in length and demographics will have its inconsistancies. (ie - Did J and J meet at Pokemon tech or in that hoso?). Try not to fixate too much on it.

 

[Visible Light]

If Misty wasn't back, the Cerleluean Gym should be shut down. Misty's sisters were abusing their power and giving away badges. Like when they gave it to a person for cleaning or something.

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

If Misty wasn't back, the Cerleluean Gym should be shut down. Misty's sisters were abusing their power and giving away badges. Like when they gave it to a person for cleaning or something.

So was Lola, and the PIA didn't do anything to stop her (I'm not kidding, as they were Bound to have passed the inspection since the Gym's still on the map).

Heck, Fantina leaving the Gym was also an abusement of Power, as you AREN'T supposed to leave the Gym without a suitable replacement, no exceptions (If the Cerulean Gym was nearly toast due to the Gym leader being absent without ANY replacement, Hearthome Gym was also done terribly.). Heck, she was gone for possibly longer than the Sensational sisters were (she was already gone for quite a while by the time Ash got to Hearthome City for the first time, and it wasn't until... 53 episodes after that she got back, if not slightly less.)

@Crystal Clair: How can I not fixate on it? I mean, in order for me not to fixate on it, I have to, you know, try and give myself Amnesia, which is the last thing I'd try to do.

 

[Charaxes]

I wish I'd take that advice, but I hate having to forget anything. I mean, I've seen how some people forgot what a Newspaper, of all things, is. Believe me, I learned of it from Opus, and my even thinking about it gets me angry and tense. And I wouldn't think about it if it wasn't for the fact that absolutely every memory in me is hardwired/branded into my brain.

I think it was implied that the events of "The Battle of the Badge" as well as Team Rocket's apparant trouble with the law (as stated in Dues and Don'ts in Johto) led to him being evicted from the Gym.

I've been there, but it will drive you insane, if you don't get a grip on it. I've been there with comic book adaptations. Sometimes, it's better to forget, actually.

As for the implications on the "Battle," as you said, yeah, it's the likely conclusion. However, it was presented in an ambigious manner, and the series was so miminalist on the details, at that point -- I had to draw some kind of conclusion on it.

Currently, I think he's getting bored with it, as I'm starting to catch that vibe in his AG episodes, but he's not around enough to get a real handle on him, anyway. Bah. Silly show.