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Yes, you heard right, curse Vaporeon sweep. It's working pretty well at the moment, i've done 14 matches and i've won 10. My only real concern is Vappy doesn't sweep that often, i've only swept with him 5 times, which is a low number considering the team is based around him sweeping. Also i have some problems with breloom, as i have to let something take the spore so i can get Celebi in easily. Anyways onto the team:
Heatran@Shuca Berry
-Flash Fire
-Rash
252HP/252SpA/4SpD
-Fire Blast
-Earth Power
-Stealth Rock
-Explosion
My Lead, chosen because of all the resistances it provides, also along with Celebi it forms the Cele-tran combo who resist each other's weaknesses perfectly. The EV's are for maximum survivability, as I really don't see the need for max speed. I'm not too sure about Explosion, and am considering running will-o-wisp over it so I can deal physical attackers easier, mainly tyranitar who comes in on Heatran quite often.
Tyranitar @ Choice Band
-Sandstream
-Adamant
176 Hp/240 Att/ 92 Spe
-Stone Edge
-Crunch
-Pursuit
-Earthquake
Tyranitar says hi to all those arsey electric types that want to hurt vappy, i cna either pursuit them switching out or EQ for the kill if i think they'll stay in, Electivire could kill this but then it can't hurt Celebi. Electivire's pretty crappy anyway. Ev's outrun slow steels such as skarmory so i can hit before they roost/heal. He can also switch in on CBtar's Crunch and kill with EQ.
Celebi@Leftovers
-Natural Cure
-Bold
236HP/56SpA/216Def
-Hidden Power Fire
-Recover
-Leech Seed
-Grass Knot
Celebi is my answer to bulky waters and grasses, who otherwise stop Vappy in his tracks. Hidden Power fire deals with Grass types and scizor. Celebi is integral to beating the Stuff Vappy can't take on, and Leech seed is great at all around team support, so along with wish from blissey my team is not worn down very easily.
Latias@Choice Scarf
-Levitate
-Timid
80HP/252SpA/176Spe
-Dragon Pulse
-Thunderbolt
-Surf
-Trick
Latias is my Salamence check as well as all around revenge killer, the EV's allow it to outrun +1 Salamence as well as letting it take hits somewhat better. Dragon Pulse over draco meteor as I ALWAYS miss with it, and Salamence has swept me a few times because of these misses.
Gliscor @ Leftovers
-Sand Veil
-Jolly
244Hp/12Att/28Def/216Spe
-Earthquake
-Fire Fang
-Taunt/U-turn
-Roost
My check/counter to tyranitar, lucario and scizor. Suggested by JRCxyz, and set made by Groovitational Snubbul but editing by JRCxyz. Earthquake is for obvious reasons, Fire Fang is to deal with Scizor more efficiently, as well as getting a nic hit on Celebi. HP EV's get a nice lefties point, atk get a clean 2HKO on standad 176 HP Tar. Speed allow me to outrun all forms of Lucario, who otherwise sweeps easily, rest in Def. Taunt is so i can beat celebi, though U-turn is to scout and also gets a hard hit on celebi, though it doesn't let me beat it 1 on 1 like taunt does.
Vaporeon@Leftovers
-Water Absorb
-Careful
252HP/40Def/216SpD
Wish
Curse
Waterfall
Return/Quick Attack
My Sweeper and the thing this team is built around. I saw Vappy could learn curse a while back, but though that it would be of no use. This thing is really rather useful with a couple of curses under it's belt, and through my team support it's weaknesses are usually no problem. I'm considering quick attack so that I can take less damage and hopefully get some free wish's in. So far the only thing this has problems with is random crits.
Curse Vappy Team
Team Building Process:
I started with Vappy (obviously).
Now I knew the main things that walled Vappy where bulky waters/grasses and Electric Types. Now I know Celebi can easily handled two of those.
Now there were only electrics that where bothersome, now the only Electric types that are OU are: Electivire, Zapdos, Magnezone, Jolteon and rotom. All of which are special based, YES I KNOW ELECTIVIRE RUNS CROSS CHOP so the only true thing that can deal with them all reliably is Blissey, who effectively counters them all.
Now I could effectively deal with all the things causing Vappy problems.
Now I needed some sort of back up sweeper, so that I could dent things that walled Vappy. I chose Choice Scarf Latias as she can effectively deal holes in almost all of Vappy's counters, making taking them down a lot easier, she also provides a decent check against Sala.
Now I really needed a lead and since I had a weakness to poison, dark, ghost, flying and ice. I needed a steel type as well, now metagross wouldn't do as it takes neutral to bug, ghost and dark, so I decided on Heatran, who also pairs well with Celebi resistance wise, as well as it's weaknesses being resisted by my team pretty well.
Now I still needed a decent counter to lucario, scizor and tyranitar, now unfortunately there is no pokemon who can counter all three, so I chose Scizor, as it provides a decent check to all three, I decided to use the choice band varient so I can deal with Tyranitar easier.
However even with scizor i still had a large weakness to lucario, tyranitar and other scizor. Since Scizor could only check all three under the right conditions, so JRC suggested gliscor; which does work better.
So now i had.
But then i was also told that blissey does not effectively deal with electric types, she simply stopped them. Which was a problem i had been noticing but could think of no solution. JRC thought of CBTar, who could effectively switch in on pretty much every electric and threaten back with EQ and STAB pursuit. So now my team was finally done with:
Rate/Hate/Eat.
credit for Pics goes to Blue Ace and legendarypokemon.net
Heatran@Shuca Berry
-Flash Fire
-Rash
252HP/252SpA/4SpD
-Fire Blast
-Earth Power
-Stealth Rock
-Explosion
My Lead, chosen because of all the resistances it provides, also along with Celebi it forms the Cele-tran combo who resist each other's weaknesses perfectly. The EV's are for maximum survivability, as I really don't see the need for max speed. I'm not too sure about Explosion, and am considering running will-o-wisp over it so I can deal physical attackers easier, mainly tyranitar who comes in on Heatran quite often.
Tyranitar @ Choice Band
-Sandstream
-Adamant
176 Hp/240 Att/ 92 Spe
-Stone Edge
-Crunch
-Pursuit
-Earthquake
Tyranitar says hi to all those arsey electric types that want to hurt vappy, i cna either pursuit them switching out or EQ for the kill if i think they'll stay in, Electivire could kill this but then it can't hurt Celebi. Electivire's pretty crappy anyway. Ev's outrun slow steels such as skarmory so i can hit before they roost/heal. He can also switch in on CBtar's Crunch and kill with EQ.
Celebi@Leftovers
-Natural Cure
-Bold
236HP/56SpA/216Def
-Hidden Power Fire
-Recover
-Leech Seed
-Grass Knot
Celebi is my answer to bulky waters and grasses, who otherwise stop Vappy in his tracks. Hidden Power fire deals with Grass types and scizor. Celebi is integral to beating the Stuff Vappy can't take on, and Leech seed is great at all around team support, so along with wish from blissey my team is not worn down very easily.
Latias@Choice Scarf
-Levitate
-Timid
80HP/252SpA/176Spe
-Dragon Pulse
-Thunderbolt
-Surf
-Trick
Latias is my Salamence check as well as all around revenge killer, the EV's allow it to outrun +1 Salamence as well as letting it take hits somewhat better. Dragon Pulse over draco meteor as I ALWAYS miss with it, and Salamence has swept me a few times because of these misses.
Gliscor @ Leftovers
-Sand Veil
-Jolly
244Hp/12Att/28Def/216Spe
-Earthquake
-Fire Fang
-Taunt/U-turn
-Roost
My check/counter to tyranitar, lucario and scizor. Suggested by JRCxyz, and set made by Groovitational Snubbul but editing by JRCxyz. Earthquake is for obvious reasons, Fire Fang is to deal with Scizor more efficiently, as well as getting a nic hit on Celebi. HP EV's get a nice lefties point, atk get a clean 2HKO on standad 176 HP Tar. Speed allow me to outrun all forms of Lucario, who otherwise sweeps easily, rest in Def. Taunt is so i can beat celebi, though U-turn is to scout and also gets a hard hit on celebi, though it doesn't let me beat it 1 on 1 like taunt does.
Vaporeon@Leftovers
-Water Absorb
-Careful
252HP/40Def/216SpD
Wish
Curse
Waterfall
Return/Quick Attack
My Sweeper and the thing this team is built around. I saw Vappy could learn curse a while back, but though that it would be of no use. This thing is really rather useful with a couple of curses under it's belt, and through my team support it's weaknesses are usually no problem. I'm considering quick attack so that I can take less damage and hopefully get some free wish's in. So far the only thing this has problems with is random crits.
Curse Vappy Team
Team Building Process:
I started with Vappy (obviously).
Now I knew the main things that walled Vappy where bulky waters/grasses and Electric Types. Now I know Celebi can easily handled two of those.
Now there were only electrics that where bothersome, now the only Electric types that are OU are: Electivire, Zapdos, Magnezone, Jolteon and rotom. All of which are special based, YES I KNOW ELECTIVIRE RUNS CROSS CHOP so the only true thing that can deal with them all reliably is Blissey, who effectively counters them all.
Now I could effectively deal with all the things causing Vappy problems.
Now I needed some sort of back up sweeper, so that I could dent things that walled Vappy. I chose Choice Scarf Latias as she can effectively deal holes in almost all of Vappy's counters, making taking them down a lot easier, she also provides a decent check against Sala.
Now I really needed a lead and since I had a weakness to poison, dark, ghost, flying and ice. I needed a steel type as well, now metagross wouldn't do as it takes neutral to bug, ghost and dark, so I decided on Heatran, who also pairs well with Celebi resistance wise, as well as it's weaknesses being resisted by my team pretty well.
Now I still needed a decent counter to lucario, scizor and tyranitar, now unfortunately there is no pokemon who can counter all three, so I chose Scizor, as it provides a decent check to all three, I decided to use the choice band varient so I can deal with Tyranitar easier.
However even with scizor i still had a large weakness to lucario, tyranitar and other scizor. Since Scizor could only check all three under the right conditions, so JRC suggested gliscor; which does work better.
So now i had.
But then i was also told that blissey does not effectively deal with electric types, she simply stopped them. Which was a problem i had been noticing but could think of no solution. JRC thought of CBTar, who could effectively switch in on pretty much every electric and threaten back with EQ and STAB pursuit. So now my team was finally done with:
Rate/Hate/Eat.
credit for Pics goes to Blue Ace and legendarypokemon.net