[Theory] Dark side of the real Pokemon world(speculation)

[shootingfoul]

A little about myself(all personal, skip to next paragraph to go directly for the theory)
I started playing Pokemon 2 months ago, I've never played/seen Pokemon before except maybe watched 1 or 2 anime episodes when I was little. The reason was, I thought Pokemon was childish and for kids. However, after watching an episode of Death Battle on youtube featuring Pokemon battle royal(you should check it out if you havne't). I was blown away by how awesome they made it(holy cow, that badass turtle just tore off the wings of a dragon) and decided it was only fair for me to give Pokemon a try. I finished all the games 2 days ago and I did not regret giving Pokemon a chance. The Pokemon games are pretty fun to play(I was skeptical before), but having finished all the 6 generations, it's time for me to move on(I might come back if they release the next game story wise, 7th story/gen). However, before I leave, there was a question I developed as I played along those games, which is the theory(or question) I am going to ask your opinions on below.

The gap between people in the Pokemon world and the real world
The Pokemon world is a peaceful and well regulated world. There are minor trouble makers occasionally, but overall there's very few conflicts between country to country. This is actually very different than the society we have in the real world. Pokemon is a kids game, in reality, majority of the people's heart is very dark since they have to survive and feed their family, most people put a lot of weight in making money and mostly just use each other. Rich people or people with higher administrative power(whether business or government) have power and will do whatever they can to obtain more power. That being said, if the Pokemon truly existed. Power hungry people are most likely to monopolize them, study them and use them to the fullest extent for power and control.

Suspicious parts of the Pokemon world
Pokemon world is set up in some questionable and suspicious ways:

Pokemon center
If your Pokemon is injured, you can bring it to the Pokemon center and have it treated for free. Medicine cost money, electricity cost money, hiring the doctor/nurses cost money. If the Pokemon center is not making any profit(or at least break even). If this is directly funded by the government, what is their true goal behind it?

Pokemon journey starts at 10
All child of every town can get a free Pokemon(decent one too) at the age of 10 and is encouraged to go on a journey. Again, capturing the Pokemon for such an enourmous population of people takes money(hiring catcher or breed cost, Pokeball cost, shipping cost...etc). Also, encouraging the child to leave their parents/family at an age as little as 10. It seems like the parents in most games understands and lets the child leaves without much opposition(maybe except Bianca's parents). Could this be the rule or regulation by the government? If yes, what are they plotting? If no, why is there such coincidence.

Pokemon trainers are encouraged to battle.
Pokemon school teaches element effectiveness, all the tips from the trainer tips(a huge sign written in different parts of the regions) gives you advice about battle and the most famous facility in the city, the Pokemon gym(personally, Pokemon dojo would be a better name) is a huge encouragement for doing excellent in battle(the fame one obtains encourages people to work hard towards it). What is this implying or what does the government have in plan for all this?

Could the real Pokemon world be else where?
Things in the Pokemon world we know, don't make much sense profit wise for either private companies funding this or the government. People follow the norms of the society without questioning it, so, if there are a few people in the back of the curtains, controlling the media and setting up the society in a way that injects certain values they want the people to have. Maybe this would all be an investment for a much greater goal? Could the Pokemon we know be just all very tiny part of the real Pokemon world as little as a test tube?

Assuming we have Pokemon in the real world
With how dirty the hearts and minds of the adults in the real world is. If Pokemon suddenly appears in the real world today. The government of every country of the extremely rich is surely going to try to keep all the Pokemon for themselves, study them completely inside out and try to maintain power. Why would you share the power with other people when you can have it all right? Keep people away from Pokemon so they have 0 chance of capturing any at all. Pokemon would only be used by their own people. People who break the rule will be killed.

What if there was a real war in the real Pokemon world?

Given the technology they have and dirty heart of human nature. They probably already studied Pokemon inside out if not everything, at least more than the knowledge we have. IV, EV and nature...etc. They probably already have their own machine to mass produce Pokemon with all 3 of them perfect and mass produce them with maximum time efficiency. Most likely they are cloning, doing experiments and throwing away the dead bodies of those that are imperfect.

How a war might be fought.
The mentality of people on the top is usually "do whatever you can to win", whether it's between business, government or the military. If a war would to be fought. They probably use all 6 Pokemon at once(or even more, depending on how much capacity). The win condition of defeating 1 person is probably to kill the trainer. Therefore, Pokemon try to corner and gang up on a trainer, or a trainer using weapons such as sniper rifle to assassinate and take out a tough to deal with Pokemon should be expected. There's probably much more to it, but I'm just giving an idea. Therefore, the the boys and girls that were the best trainers in the "test tube" were probably drafted, trained in combat and given the best Pokemon to help them win the war.

Speculation behind what they do in Pokemon world we know.
Assuming this is the case, would all that happens in the Pokemon world we know all be a setup to get the best trainers? Some trainers are gifted and some trainers work hard; some trainers are gifted AND work hard. Think about it, training starts at 10 years old? All these promotion on using Pokemon to battle rather than emphasize on the values we have in our world? And the government is willing to fund for Pokemon centers, gyms and give out Pokemon to 10 years old for free. All of this are just speculations of mine, they might or might not be true. However, the society in the Pokemon world is set up in a way that doesn't make sense, you have to question it. The Pokemon world even has rules set up so you can only carry 6 Pokemon and only 1 Pokemon battle each other at a time. People will not go 1 on 1 if winning is essential to achieving their goal and perhaps all these rules are just training.

Ending
While this may or may not be true, it is an interesting question to think about. It would be neat too if there was a Pokemon game for adults that talks about the potential reality to the Pokemon world. What are you guy's opinions on this? Do you agree or disagree or maybe you have your own theory, it'd be appreciated if you give out your insight.

 

[ShivaDF]

Okay, first of all, there have been wars in the pokemon world. Lt. Surge looks fairly young, and he fought in a war where he was saved by his electric-type pokemon. Now, because the Gen I games often referenced the real world, and because Lt. Surge is the "Lightning American" I'm guessing he fought in the equivalent of, I dunno, maybe WWII?

Kalos also had a major war, where AZ used a WMD to kill tons of pokemon. Obviously, though, that was a very long time ago. Anyway, I'm just showing that the pokemon world isn't really a peaceful place.

And about pokemon centers--pokemon are stored in PCs as data, right? And then every time they're taken out of a pokeball, they're "reconstituted" kinda like transporters in Star Trek or something. So the pokemon centers may be able to heal your pokemon for free because they are actually re-configuring the pokemon's data, not using medicine. The centers could also be funded by the government, as you said, which is how they would cover the cost of electricity.

Now, as for the rules about carrying only six pokemon at a time--pokemon are used as weapons, so they need to be regulated. But since the authorities of the pokemon world don't seem very competent *cough*onlysendingLooker*cough*, I wouldn't be surprised if people like Giovanni could get away with carrying ALL their pokemon at once, hiding a bunch somehow.

I'm not saying your theory about the government in the pokemon world is wrong, but I don't think the pokemon world is very happy on the surface, even.

 

[Guardian]

Too long. But here is one thing that I spotted.

While its interesting to think about it, and I do think about it. I have many theories about Pokemon, world and everything around us. But there is something wrong in your theory.

People owning Pokemon, making them battle, having them as pets....that would never, NEVER, EVER allow something as powerless as humans to control them, their freedom and their actions. Why in the world, would one Alakazam allow some random guy to catch him, and allow him to tell him what to do. Why would one, any Pokemon, for no reason attack the other one just to satisfy humans? I cant imagine why that would happen.

There are two possible options in my opinion.

1. Pokemon and Humans would live in harmony, completely equal which means no pokemon collecting, battling, demanding etc.
Exceptions would be Pokemon who would be raised by humans from the very young age who are willing to help humans with their daily stuff to do. Battling only when humans would be endangered and their Pokemon would care enough to defend them. Just like dogs in today's world

2. Pokemon would control humans.
Lets face it, what are we, humans, with no special powers compared to Pokemon? The only thing we can use are weapons. So just wondering, how are you going to kill one Steelix, or Graveler? With a kinfe? A gun? Most of POkemon, even small bugs, normal Pokemon could kick our butts with no problem. "Oh you have a tank, sure, say hi to my hyper beam, Ice beam, Earthquake, lmao, lol, losers."
We'd be lucky if Pokemon would want to live in harmony with us.

Those are the two facts. :)

 

[Deleted member 211486]

Pokemon would control humans.
Lets face it, what are we, humans, with no special powers compared to Pokemon? The only thing we can use are weapons. So just wondering, how are you going to kill one Steelix, or Graveler? With a kinfe? A gun? Most of POkemon, even small bugs, normal Pokemon could kick our butts with no problem. "Oh you have a tank, sure, say hi to my hyper beam, Ice beam, Earthquake, lmao, lol, losers."
We'd be lucky if Pokemon would want to live in harmony with us.

Humans are smart and manipulative though. They also have science on their side, which brought to them the Pokeball. With the Pokeball, humans can imprison a Wailord in a capsule a hundred times less its size and subject it to the humans' beck and call.

Remember that throughout real life history, humans have repeatedly shown that they are masters of beasts. Humans made hundreds of of species extinct. Humans used the mighty elephants and even mounted huge cannons on them for battle. Human wars were always effective with cavalry, and before tanks, there was the horse. Dogs, cats, rabbits, and squirrels were once wild, uncontrollable creatures that are now domesticated through years of selective breeding.

Even the god Arceus is ultimately manipulated by humans in the anime (M12), manga (HG&SS arc), and games (when protagonist captures Arceus). Basically, with the Pokeball, it's almost as if Pokemon were made to serve humans as their lords and masters.

My conclusion: It's the other way around. "Oh, you're a Mewtwo and you claim to be the most powerful Pokemon in the world? Say hello to my Master Ball."

 

[Sebastian_Sommer]

The gap between people in the Pokemon world and the real world
The Pokemon world is a peaceful and well regulated world. There are minor trouble makers occasionally, but overall there's very few conflicts between country to country. This is actually very different than the society we have in the real world. Pokemon is a kids game, in reality, majority of the people's heart is very dark since they have to survive and feed their family, most people put a lot of weight in making money and mostly just use each other. Rich people or people with higher administrative power(whether business or government) have power and will do whatever they can to obtain more power. That being said, if the Pokemon truly existed. Power hungry people are most likely to monopolize them, study them and use them to the fullest extent for power and control.

I'd like to argue against this point, the pokemon world is NOT a safe place at all. The so called 'minor troubles' are villainous teams with largely different but extreme goals that had put many of the local regions and its inhabitants nearly into jeopardy. Team Magma/Aqua had tried to flood or burn the Hoenn region, Team Galactica tried to destroy reality, in Team plasma we have Ghetsis trying monopolize everything for his own selfish goal of being ruler of the Unova region, and finally, we have team flare that tried to nuke everyone with the WMD and be the only ones alive.

Speculation behind what they do in Pokemon world we know.
Assuming this is the case, would all that happens in the Pokemon world we know all be a setup to get the best trainers? Some trainers are gifted and some are not after all. Think about it, training starts at 10 years old? All these promotion on using Pokemon to battle rather than emphasize on the values we have in our world? And the government is willing to fund for Pokemon centers, gyms and give out Pokemon to 10 years old for free. All of this are just speculations of mine, they might or might not be true. However, the society in the Pokemon world is set up in a way that doesn't make sense, you have to question it. The Pokemon world even has rules set up so you can only carry 6 Pokemon and only 1 Pokemon battle each other at a time. People will not go 1 on 1 if winning is essential to achieving their goal and perhaps all these rules are just training.

This is just my own speculation, but the economy in the pokemon world seems to be reliant on the use of pokemon as part of their labor force which could be seen by people using certain types for construction works (fighting types such as machamp, machop, etc). I would imagine that the skill of being a good trainer would be an important requirement in anyone's CV profile within the pokemon world, cause it will be an equivalent to someone having practical experience on operating complicated machinery.

 

[Guardian]

Humans are smart and manipulative though. They also have science on their side, which brought to them the Pokeball. With the Pokeball, humans can imprison a Wailord in a capsule a hundred times less its size and subject it to the humans' beck and call.

Remember that throughout real life history, humans have repeatedly shown that they are masters of beasts. Humans made hundreds of of species extinct. Humans used the mighty elephants and even mounted huge cannons on them for battle. Human wars were always effective with cavalry, and before tanks, there was the horse. Dogs, cats, rabbits, and squirrels were once wild, uncontrollable creatures that are now domesticated through years of selective breeding.

Even the god Arceus is ultimately manipulated by humans in the anime (M12), manga (HG&SS arc), and games (when protagonist captures Arceus). Basically, with the Pokeball, it's almost as if Pokemon were made to serve humans as their lords and masters.

My conclusion: It's the other way around. "Oh, you're a Mewtwo and you claim to be the most powerful Pokemon in the world? Say hello to my Master Ball."

Well that's exactly why you are wrong. Pokeball.

Pokeballs do only that, imprison them. But only physically. In anime, Pokemon probably get caught and figure the trainer is worthy of their power. But do you think that Mewtwo would be all "oh wow, you through an ultimate pokeball on me, I should definitely submit to you now". Come on, let's be logical, in reality, that same Mewtwo/Wailord/whoever would crush you as soon as you'd let them out of the pokeball. Pokeball could "reprogram" or change Pokemon's psychology of the caught Pokemon, and MAKE them listen to the trainer, but then that would bring slavery, mind controlling, and rights abusing to a completely new and forbidden level.
Lets not forget that the chances of something suck a pokeball are much slimmer than the chances of actually Pokemon being real. Not to mention that even if such technology existed, it would NOT be out there in the reach of little kids, for many reasons one of them being that that technology would be too expensive.

Also, regarding elephants and other domestic animals. They are all basically taught their behavior though something called positive and negative reinforcements. While you can put a chain on the elephant or a bull until they "learn" to behave good, you cant put that on most stronger Pokemons since they would most likely find a way to get rid of whatever reinforcement you use on them. (e.g any special attack such as flamethrower or blizzard). As I said before, one could make friends with Pokemon through genuine caring, but that depends on a lot, including the Pokemon's character.

Source: I am interested in biology, psychology, and some obvious logic.

 

[Deleted member 211486]

Pokeballs do only that, imprison them. But only physically.

Actually they have a variety of different properties as well, since different types of Pokeballs possess different sorts of technology. Heal Balls can heal, Luxury Balls can make Pokemon friendly, etc.

In anime, Pokemon probably get caught and figure the trainer is worthy of their power.

"Probably". They could still be forced to do the bidding of humans, especially in the manga and the games, where Pokemon can be used as HM slaves regardless of how many badges the trainer owns.

But do you think that Mewtwo would be all "oh wow, you through an ultimate pokeball on me, I should definitely submit to you now".

If we follow the more orthodox approach of the manga and games, then yes.

In the anime, we see several legendary Pokemon obeying their trainers with no problem as well.

Come on, let's be logical, in reality, that same Mewtwo/Wailord/whoever would crush you as soon as you'd let them out of the pokeball.

I don't think I remember anyone getting killed by sending out any Pokemon from a Pokeball in any of the official game series.

Pokeball could "reprogram" or change Pokemon's psychology of the caught Pokemon, and MAKE them listen to the trainer, but then that would bring slavery, mind controlling, and rights abusing to a completely new and forbidden level.

Woah, woah. I thought you just said:

Pokeballs do only that, imprison them. But only physically.

Lets not forget that the chances of something suck a pokeball are much slimmer than the chances of actually Pokemon being real.

And your point is...?

Not to mention that even if such technology existed, it would NOT be out there in the reach of little kids, for many reasons one of them being that that technology would be too expensive.

I'm pretty sure Pokeballs aren't funded by the government. In the games it's evident there's a good market for the Pokeball Industry, seeing as each one is sold for at least 200 Pokedollars.

Also, regarding elephants and other domestic animals. They are all basically taught their behavior though something called positive and negative reinforcements. While you can put a chain on the elephant or a bull until they "learn" to behave good, you cant put that on most stronger Pokemons since they would most likely find a way to get rid of whatever reinforcement you use on them. (e.g any special attack such as flamethrower or blizzard).

Rare Candies, Vitamins, Luxury Balls, Soothe Bells, Pokeblocks... are all "positive reinforcements". Paul from the anime is someone you could call a powerful trainer who used "negative reinforcement".

Source: I am interested in biology, psychology, and some obvious logic.

An interest in something does not count as a source. It's better if you cited something related to Pokemon itself such as episodes from the anime, issues from the manga, or events from the games.

 

[Guardian]

Actually they have a variety of different properties as well, since different types of Pokeballs possess different sorts of technology. Heal Balls can heal, Luxury Balls can make Pokemon friendly, etc.



"Probably". They could still be forced to do the bidding of humans, especially in the manga and the games, where Pokemon can be used as HM slaves regardless of how many badges the trainer owns.



If we follow the more orthodox approach of the manga and games, then yes.

In the anime, we see several legendary Pokemon obeying their trainers with no problem as well.



I don't think I remember anyone getting killed by sending out any Pokemon from a Pokeball in any of the official game series.



Woah, woah. I thought you just said:





And your point is...?



I'm pretty sure Pokeballs aren't funded by the government. In the games it's evident there's a good market for the Pokeball Industry, seeing as each one is sold for at least 200 Pokedollars.



Rare Candies, Vitamins, Luxury Balls, Soothe Bells, Pokeblocks... are all "positive reinforcements". Paul from the anime is someone you could call a powerful trainer who used "negative reinforcement".



An interest in something does not count as a source. It's better if you cited something related to Pokemon itself such as episodes from the anime, issues from the manga, or events from the games.

Alright, I won't even bother replying every single one of your arguments because

1) you're using the same argument over and over, which can be summed up to "as you can see in mange/anime".

2) We're on the different ends of spectrum.

This thread is, as it says, Dark side of the REAL Pokemon world. Ok, following? So you cant think of Pokemon as it would be in REALITY, which I am talking about, if you keep taking references from the anime/manga, which is NOT REALITY aside from the one in Anime, which is NOT the same as reality right here, right now. I really can't put this any more simple, I could only make a math equation which you still won't get if you dont get what I'm saying right now.
But I can put it this way
You discuss Anime reality, I discuss our reality.
Anime reality =/= our reality, therefore,
Anime logc/laws/rules =/= ours

So yeah, Pokemon dont kill their owners when they get out of the ball, legendaries allow themselves to be ridden, pokeball does cost 200$, but in anime and manga, and the reality I am talking about, is-not-anime-and-mange-kind-of-reality. And in case you think these kind of things would go through in our reality, thinking about Pokemon/humans/technology in more realistic, which you should if you discuss our reality, you can feel free to think again. Therefore, my sources are the ones I use for talking about our reality, while yours, manga and anime, are not even applicable.

Now, I see you are into discussion, but as I said, we're on different ends of spectrum, and what you are talking about is not what I am talking about, and I really see no reason in continuing this, so you dont really have to reply to this, and if you do, I won't.
Pce

 

[Deleted member 211486]

This thread is, as it says, Dark side of the REAL Pokemon world. Ok, following? So you cant think of Pokemon as it would be in REALITY, which I am talking about, if you keep taking references from the anime/manga, which is NOT REALITY aside from the one in Anime, which is NOT the same as reality right here, right now. I really can't put this any more simple, I could only make a math equation which you still won't get if you dont get what I'm saying right now.

Sounds as if you're calling me stupid.

Look, if we were to base our answers on the official game series, it would be more accurate. For example, I mentioned science because it only makes sense that in a real world also parallel to that of the Pokemon world, there is a ton of science involved. I mentioned the Pokeball, which converts matter into energy, and vice versa.

But I can put it this way
You discuss Anime reality, I discuss our reality.
Anime reality =/= our reality, therefore,
Anime logc/laws/rules =/= ours

You contradict yourself yet again. Note the bolded part:

In anime, Pokemon probably get caught and figure the trainer is worthy of their power.

So yeah, Pokemon dont kill their owners when they get out of the ball, legendaries allow themselves to be ridden, pokeball does cost 200$, but in anime and manga, and the reality I am talking about, is-not-anime-and-mange-kind-of-reality.

I assumed you were talking about anime, because once more might I remind you, you cited the anime. Next time, be more clear about your posts, kay?

And in case you think these kind of things would go through in our reality, thinking about Pokemon/humans/technology in more realistic, which you should if you discuss our reality, you can feel free to think again.

Pokemon isn't even possible at all in our present timeline, so I don't get your logic in saying this.

Once we get to the time and period when Pokemon is possible, all sorts of things are possible including the things I've mentioned.

Therefore, my sources are the ones I use for talking about our reality, while yours, manga and anime, are not even applicable.

Your sources aren't even valid in the scientific community lol

We're still talking about Pokemon by the way.

Now, I see you are into discussion, but as I said, we're on different ends of spectrum, and what you are talking about is not what I am talking about, and I really see no reason in continuing this, so you dont really have to reply to this, and if you do, I won't.
Pce

Great, now you get how much you've been contradicting yourself, right?

 

[ShivaDF]

This thread is, as it says, Dark side of the REAL Pokemon world. Ok, following? So you cant think of Pokemon as it would be in REALITY, which I am talking about, if you keep taking references from the anime/manga, which is NOT REALITY aside from the one in Anime, which is NOT the same as reality right here, right now. I really can't put this any more simple, I could only make a math equation which you still won't get if you dont get what I'm saying right now.

Listen, Sven, The Void (?) can only base an interpretation on information that's intrinsic to the story, which, as he pointed out, is something that you're doing as well. What he's saying that you can't take the intrinsic elements from one canon (i.e. the anime) and mash it together with elements from a different canon that contradict the other element (i.e. information from the games).

So base your interpretation on one canon, and say which canon it is.

Anyway... back to the topic at hand. In the games, Drayden, at one point, says that just because you caught a pokemon in a ball and it obeys you, doesn't mean it loves you. Think of the move Frustration--a pokemon can use it at max power, which means it hates its owner, and yet it will still obey in battle. So it isn't out of the question to assume there is some mind control involved.

 

[shootingfoul]

Okay, first of all, there have been wars in the pokemon world. Lt. Surge looks fairly young, and he fought in a war where he was saved by his electric-type pokemon. Now, because the Gen I games often referenced the real world, and because Lt. Surge is the "Lightning American" I'm guessing he fought in the equivalent of, I dunno, maybe WWII?

Kalos also had a major war, where AZ used a WMD to kill tons of pokemon. Obviously, though, that was a very long time ago. Anyway, I'm just showing that the pokemon world isn't really a peaceful place.

And about pokemon centers--pokemon are stored in PCs as data, right? And then every time they're taken out of a pokeball, they're "reconstituted" kinda like transporters in Star Trek or something. So the pokemon centers may be able to heal your pokemon for free because they are actually re-configuring the pokemon's data, not using medicine. The centers could also be funded by the government, as you said, which is how they would cover the cost of electricity.

Now, as for the rules about carrying only six pokemon at a time--pokemon are used as weapons, so they need to be regulated. But since the authorities of the pokemon world don't seem very competent *cough*onlysendingLooker*cough*, I wouldn't be surprised if people like Giovanni could get away with carrying ALL their pokemon at once, hiding a bunch somehow.

I'm not saying your theory about the government in the pokemon world is wrong, but I don't think the pokemon world is very happy on the surface, even.

Indeed, Pokemon world might not be as happy as I thought due to those wars(I did put those wars into consideration). Some of my opinions might have been affected by some of the things I see in the anime too, since the game didn't have ways to give visual representation.

I got the misconception of the Pokemon center when I see Doctors/Nurses actually treat Pokemon with medicine while in the game, they use that machine to instantly charge and cure them somehow? However, as fast as the Pokemon are cured, what resources were used to do so is still unknown. By the way, does Pokemon actually work the way you described when you talked about them being data? I'm not sure myself, but that seems really similar to Digimon which are also data.

My suspicion to those conflicts that happened in the Pokemon world would be: The government intentionally sent those bad guys/criminal organizations into their world to give their "test subjects" a trial to overcome.

 

[ShivaDF]

My suspicion to those conflicts that happened in the Pokemon world would be: The government intentionally sent those bad guys/criminal organizations into their world to give their "test subjects" a trial to overcome.

I've had that suspicion before as well, I mean, why else would INTERPOL only send Looker to deal with Teams Galactic, Plasma, and Flare? And INTERPOL tended to send him only after the main problem had been resolved.

Also, regarding Team Galactic, the team leader, Cyrus, is only 27. Even he was an incredibly intelligent researcher, where did he get all of his funding from in such a short time? And why did Cynthia, the champion of the Sinnoh region, send the player character to stop Cyrus instead of stopping him herself?

 

[shootingfoul]

Too long. But here is one thing that I spotted.

While its interesting to think about it, and I do think about it. I have many theories about Pokemon, world and everything around us. But there is something wrong in your theory.

People owning Pokemon, making them battle, having them as pets....that would never, NEVER, EVER allow something as powerless as humans to control them, their freedom and their actions. Why in the world, would one Alakazam allow some random guy to catch him, and allow him to tell him what to do. Why would one, any Pokemon, for no reason attack the other one just to satisfy humans? I cant imagine why that would happen.

There are two possible options in my opinion.

1. Pokemon and Humans would live in harmony, completely equal which means no pokemon collecting, battling, demanding etc.
Exceptions would be Pokemon who would be raised by humans from the very young age who are willing to help humans with their daily stuff to do. Battling only when humans would be endangered and their Pokemon would care enough to defend them. Just like dogs in today's world

2. Pokemon would control humans.
Lets face it, what are we, humans, with no special powers compared to Pokemon? The only thing we can use are weapons. So just wondering, how are you going to kill one Steelix, or Graveler? With a kinfe? A gun? Most of POkemon, even small bugs, normal Pokemon could kick our butts with no problem. "Oh you have a tank, sure, say hi to my hyper beam, Ice beam, Earthquake, lmao, lol, losers."
We'd be lucky if Pokemon would want to live in harmony with us.

Those are the two facts. :)

Just like in real life, a lion probably wouldn't allow human to control them for no reason. As some of the posts have already covered. It's the human knowledge and their technology that makes them dangerous. A great example would be the Pokeball, which seems to have some sort of mind control aspect. Also, although only in prototype stage in the game, the master ball could potentially be very dangerous for the Pokemon since it lets humans establish their dictatorship. If Pokemon was as smart as humans, establish their own organized and structured society and their own technology(they might not even need technology) they might be the ones doing the controlling if they had the ambition.

I think equality between humans and Pokemon was also what team plasma was trying to promote. Personally, I agree with the basic principle of it, but I don't agree with the way team plasma do it. Getting back to the point, as equality seems like the right thing to do, the side with more power would also want more, that's just how greed works. Therefore, it is natural for humans invented all these technology to capture Pokemon as their slaves. It is pretty sad if you think about it that even children listen to this norm without even thinking in the Pokemon's perspective and just take away their freedom.

They could potentially plot against humans and come up with a plan to take over. However, from we can observe in the game or anime, Pokemon seem to act the same way as animals. They are usually not as smart(with the exception of some psychic Pokemon) and don't band together to establish their own society. if they do that with those Psychic Pokemon as their strategist, humans might be pretty screwed.

 

[Guardian]

Just like in real life, a lion probably wouldn't allow human to control them for no reason. As some of the posts have already covered. It's the human knowledge and their technology that makes them dangerous. A great example would be the Pokeball, which seems to have some sort of mind control aspect. Also, although only in prototype stage in the game, the master ball could potentially be very dangerous for the Pokemon since it lets humans establish their dictatorship. If Pokemon was as smart as humans, establish their own organized and structured society and their own technology(they might not even need technology) they might be the ones doing the controlling if they had the ambition.

I think equality between humans and Pokemon was also what team plasma was trying to promote. Personally, I agree with the basic principle of it, but I don't agree with the way team plasma do it. Getting back to the point, as equality seems like the right thing to do, the side with more power would also want more, that's just how greed works. Therefore, it is natural for humans invented all these technology to capture Pokemon as their slaves. It is pretty sad if you think about it that even children listen to this norm without even thinking in the Pokemon's perspective and just take away their freedom.

They could potentially plot against humans and come up with a plan to take over. However, from we can observe in the game or anime, Pokemon seem to act the same way as animals. They are usually not as smart(with the exception of some psychic Pokemon) and don't band together to establish their own society. if they do that with those Psychic Pokemon as their strategist, humans might be pretty screwed.

I agree with everything you've said actually. I guess it just depends the way you take it. Pokemon games were obviously done in such manners where developers went in humans' favor.
To conclude, this thread could be divided into two sections, one where one could discuss about the other side of the Pokemon world where they are being held in captivity and where everything is not so shiny like we see in the games, and the one where you could discuss Pokemon from an entirely realistic aspect. I prefer the second one, cos I like to think about things from a realistic aspect. :D

 

[Videreludus]

If Pokémon were real, most people (if not everyone) would want a Meowth or Persian and teach them Payday.

 

[SmashBrony]

Quote from Sven:

Lets face it, what are we, humans, with no special powers compared to Pokemon? The only thing we can use are weapons. So just wondering, how are you going to kill one Steelix, or Graveler? With a kinfe? A gun? Most of POkemon, even small bugs, normal Pokemon could kick our butts with no problem. "Oh you have a tank, sure, say hi to my hyper beam, Ice beam, Earthquake, lmao, lol, losers."
We'd be lucky if Pokemon would want to live in harmony with us.


I remember reading a pokemon manga where this butler ran on the top of WATER &
started beating the **** out of a Gyarados... WITH HIS BARE HANDS.

Ok, that's manga, not reality, but my question is:
If pokemon were real, would humans be much stronger to be able to survive?

 

[TheTNT]

Is it just me or does anyone realize that the Pokecentere "Wish to see you again"???

 

[Guardian]

Quote from Sven:

Lets face it, what are we, humans, with no special powers compared to Pokemon? The only thing we can use are weapons. So just wondering, how are you going to kill one Steelix, or Graveler? With a kinfe? A gun? Most of POkemon, even small bugs, normal Pokemon could kick our butts with no problem. "Oh you have a tank, sure, say hi to my hyper beam, Ice beam, Earthquake, lmao, lol, losers."
We'd be lucky if Pokemon would want to live in harmony with us.


I remember reading a pokemon manga where this butler ran on the top of WATER &
started beating the **** out of a Gyarados... WITH HIS BARE HANDS.

Ok, that's manga, not reality, but my question is:
If pokemon were real, would humans be much stronger to be able to survive?

that leads me to my previous post. It depends. Would we be able to keep the balance and peace between humans, being greedy, and Pokemon being superior towards us? (we could also imagine Pokemon being greedy, but we don't really have anything Pokemon could have use of, so Im assuming that Pokemon's greed wouldn't involve us, humans.

If we could keep the balance and cooperate, then no, we wouldn't, cos we wouldn't have to, if that wasn't the case, we would have to develop and evolve to keep up with Pokemon and their strength, or at least a bit of their strength.
Interesting point :)

 

[Famon]

Honestly I don't get the real Pokemon world Or its Dark side .
There is no real Pokemon world because Pokemon is just a game .
However , I believe Pokemon Universe should more like ''No Game No life'' Universe which is bound by some pledge that prevent Bloodshed and War So everything has to be decide by Pokemon Battle.