Daycare and EVs

[Team Rocket Boss Giovanni]

If I EV train a Pokemon and put in the Daycare, will the EVs still be in effect when it levels up in the daycare?

 

[Sal Kar]

im pretty sure they stay the same, they just dont get any better. if that doesnt clear it up, im sure someone will. nice sig and avy by the way ^__^

 

[diamondpearl876]

Yes, I'm pretty sure they stay the same.

 

[sinnohdexdone]

yep the level up stats will be the same

 

[ShadowTails]

The EV's wont be taken into account, so don't leave them in their if they're going to level up to 100.

 

[Team Rocket Boss Giovanni]

The EV's wont be taken into account, so don't leave them in their if they're going to level up to 100.

Thanks Shadow Tails. That all I wanted to know.

 

[Smarties-chan]

The EV's wont be taken into account, so don't leave them in their if they're going to level up to 100.

Wth? O.o If the Pokémon already has EVs when you put it into the daycare, the Pokémon's stats will grow according to the EVs. -.- Where would the EVs disappear? It would be stupid and illogical for them to make it like that.

 

[Seol]

The EV's wont be taken into account, so don't leave them in their if they're going to level up to 100.

That's the second person I've seen saying that here recently, and this is nonsense. You don't gain EVs in the daycare, but your stats do increase in line with the EVs you've already earned. So once you're fully EV trained, levelling up in the daycare is as good as doing it in battle.

 

[sims796]

That's the second person I've seen saying that here recently, and this is nonsense. You don't gain EVs in the daycare, but your stats do increase in line with the EVs you've already earned. So once you're fully EV trained, levelling up in the daycare is as good as doing it in battle.

You just repeated what Smarties said.

 

[magpie]

Err...unless this Daycare has changed in this Generation you DO NOT get the EV growth you would by training them outside of the daycare. As I understand it, it's like Rare Candy training. EVs aren't taken into account for it.

 

[Seol]

You just repeated what Smarties said.

With more detail. Also it's a point which bears repeating, as there seems to be a massive misunderstanding here based on Chinese Whispers following from the (true, but simplified) point of "Candies/Daycare is bad because you don't get EVs".

Err...unless this Daycare has changed in this Generation you DO NOT get the EV growth you would by training them outside of the daycare. As I understand it, it's like Rare Candy training. EVs aren't taken into account for it.

What do you think this means?

It's exactly like Rare Candy training. The game doesn't care how you level up, it just recalculates your stats based on your new level and your nature, IVs and EVs. How and when you got those EVs is irrelevant, just as is how you levelled up. You don't gain any EVs from it, because you aren't earning any EVs - but any EVs you already have are taken into account.

edit: which makes the Daycare/candies incredibly useful in proper training (ie, getting Pokes to a battleable level without allocating EVs, and getting Pokes up to level 100 once fully EV trained).

 

[magpie]

With more detail. Also it's a point which bears repeating, as there seems to be a massive misunderstanding here based on Chinese Whispers following from the (true, but simplified) point of "Candies/Daycare is bad because you don't get EVs".

What do you think this means?

It's exactly like Rare Candy training. The game doesn't care how you level up, it just recalculates your stats based on your new level and your nature, IVs and EVs. How and when you got those EVs is irrelevant, just as is how you levelled up. You don't gain any EVs from it, because you aren't earning any EVs - but any EVs you already have are taken into account.

edit: which makes the Daycare/candies incredibly useful in proper training (ie, getting Pokes to a battleable level without allocating EVs, and getting Pokes up to level 100 once fully EV trained).

Actually, I think somebody has done experiments proving that stat gain is lost the later you EV train your Pokemon.

And Rare Candies do not take into account EVs for level up. I'm not completely sure about the Day Care but I thought it was the same.

 

[Smarties-chan]

Actually, I think somebody has done experiments proving that stat gain is lost the later you EV train your Pokemon.

And Rare Candies do not take into account EVs for level up. I'm not completely sure about the Day Care but I thought it was the same.

Would you please provide a source for this? I usually start EV training my Pokémon when they're in their forties (I use cloned Rare Candies in Emerald to level them up. So sue me.) and I always IV breed them. And even though I EV trained them at approximately level 40 , my Rhydon's Defense, HP and Attack are as high as a Rhydon's of that level and those EVs can be, same goes for my Starmie's Speed stat, and just so you know, Rare Candies do apply EVs, they just don't give them. And for some reason all my EV trained Pokémon in Emerald have extremely high stats even though I leveled them up with Rare Candies. You really shouldn't talk about things you don't know, it just makes you look stupid. It's coded in the game that whenever a Pokémon levels up, its stats are recalculated based on its IVs, base stats, nature and EVs and it's been proven as well.

 

[magpie]

Would you please provide a source for this? I usually start EV training my Pokémon when they're in their forties (I use cloned Rare Candies in Emerald to level them up. So sue me.) and I always IV breed them. And even though I EV trained them at approximately level 40 , my Rhydon's Defense, HP and Attack are as high as a Rhydon's of that level and those EVs can be, same goes for my Starmie's Speed stat, and just so you know, Rare Candies do apply EVs, they just don't give them. And for some reason all my EV trained Pokémon in Emerald have extremely high stats even though I leveled them up with Rare Candies. You really shouldn't talk about things you don't know, it just makes you look stupid. It's coded in the game that whenever a Pokémon levels up, its stats are recalculated based on its IVs, base stats, nature and EVs and it's been proven as well.

RAWR ^_^

Anger-anger!

Hmmm...well...I really had thought that some forum or other at the time was saying that DVs weren't included for Rare Candy level up. I must have just transferred that idea, my apologies.

Oh hey, I just found something. This is Serebii's EV page.
https://serebii.net/pokedex-rs/ev.shtml

It's about the tenth 'paragraph' or so, there's a list there that kind of messes up the counting ^_^

It actually supports my idea that EVs aren't taken to account when leveling up. I know Serebii can be very wrong...but usually not =)

And calm down, seriously...

 

[Smarties-chan]

RAWR ^_^

Anger-anger!

Hmmm...well, I don't have current proof but maybe it was GSC...I really had thought that some forum or other at the time was saying that DVs weren't included for Rare Candy level up. I must have just transferred that idea, my apologies.

Oh hey, I just found something. This is Serebii's EV page.
https://serebii.net/pokedex-rs/ev.shtml

It's about the tenth 'pargraph' or so, there's a list there that kind of messes up the counting ^_^

It actually supports my idea that EVs aren't taken to account when leveling up. I know Serebii can be very wrong...but usually not =)

And calm down, seriously...

Serebii has been wrong on several occasions and this one is definitely one of those. If Rare Candies wouldn't apply EVs, the IV calculator would have wouldn't be showing the exactly same numbers it showed me when I checked my Pokémon's IVs right after it had leveled up while I was EV training. After I finished EV training, I just used Rare Candies to raise them to level 70, but the IV calculator showed exactly the same numbers it had shown during the whole EV training process. If the EVs wouldn't have been taken in account, then the IV calculator would most likely have counted the stats I EV trained my Pokémon in as invalid, which they weren't, thus proving Serebii wrong in this matter. Just because something is on Serebii doesn't automatically make it true.

As for the last sentence, I loled at that. Why is it that whenever I try to get my point through and correct people's mistakes, they think I'm yelling at them?

 

[magpie]

Errr...you have angry sentences ^_^

I know, I freely admit that Serebii has TONS of bad info. Just look at the game pages, he NEVER updates a page once he's made it, it seems like. The poor RBY game pages still say things like "When this comes out...", etc.

I don't know though, I really haven't tested it personally, I always EV train right from the get-go.

Oh and the instance I had heard was someone who hadn't EV trained till like level 99, used vitamins then just got a normal stat increase to level 100 (then was screwed). It was on Serebii, I believe, but that's all I got =(

It was Ru/Sa, pre-Emerald.

But okay, if you've done it yourself and so forth, then that's as good as proved.

 

[Seol]

Oh and the instance I had heard was someone who hadn't EV trained till like level 99, used vitamins then just got a normal stat increase to level 100 (then was screwed). It was on Serebii, I believe, but that's all I got =(

It was Ru/Sa, pre-Emerald.

That's because vitamins boost the stat immediately, not at level-up. So the Poke would get a normal stat boost when he levels, but he wasn't screwed - the stat boost had already happened.