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Fire/sun OU team, needs help

MM_Zero

Resurrected warrior
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    Well, I'm getting bored with my light team, so I decided since I have so much fun being different using Fire in ubers, why not try it in OU? Anyway, here are the sketches of my fire/sunny day, u get the idea, team. However, I really do need some help, as it just stinks now.

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    Typhlosion @ Choice Scarf
    144 Atk, 252 Sp. Atk, 112 speed
    Rash
    Eruption
    Earthquake
    Overheat
    Will-O-Wisp

    Standard Choice Scarf Typhlosion. Theoretically it does hit things hard, but it doesn't take so much predicition skill on the opposing side to know I'm gunna use eruption.

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    Heatran @ Choice Specs
    40 Hp, 252 Sp. Atk, 216 speed
    Modest
    Dragon Pulse
    Fire Blast
    Explosion
    Earth Power

    Base 130 sp.atk+sunny day+STAB+Choice Specs Fire Blast is insanely powerful. Dragon Pulse handles dragons, Earth Power gives good coverage, and explosion for last resort.

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    Infernape @ Life Orb
    24 Atk, 252 Sp. Atk, 232 speed
    Naive
    Close Combat
    Flamethrower
    HP Ice
    Grass Knot

    Good ol' all-out mix-ape. It's not to be taken lightly

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    Tangrowth @ Heat Rock (chlorophyll)
    4 Hp, 252 Sp.atk, 252 speed
    HP Fire
    Sleep Powder
    Solarbeam
    Sunny Day

    My main sunny day caster. Solarbeam for STAB, and HP Fire for other things. Sleep powder for other stuff.

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    Cresselia @ Leftovers
    20 HP, 252 Def, 236 Sp Atk
    Modest
    Reflect
    Moonlight
    Sunny Day
    Psychic

    My back up sunny day caster+ a physical wall. Moonlight heals a lot with sunlight.

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    Blaziken @ Salac Berry
    252 Atk, 4 Def, 252 Speed
    Jolly
    Fire Punch
    Reversal
    Substitute
    Swords Dance

    Use substitute+swords dance till salac activates. Reversal hits really hard, and fire punch hits other things.

    Well, there you have it....its awful right? I think my teams problem is that its fragile, and is also pretty slow. I just made it like an hr ago for shoddy, and once I perfect it with you guy's help, I might make this for wi-fi.
     
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    Well, I'm getting bored with my light team, so I decided since I have so much fun being different using Fire in ubers, why not try it in OU? Anyway, here are the sketches of my fire/sunny day, u get the idea, team. However, I really do need some help, as it just stinks now.

    *image removed*
    Typhlosion @ Choice Scarf
    144 Atk, 252 Sp. Atk, 112 speed
    Rash
    Eruption
    Earthquake
    Overheat
    Will-O-Wisp

    Standard Choice Scarf Typhlosion. Theoretically it does hit things hard, but it doesn't take so much predicition skill on the opposing side to know I'm gunna use eruption.

    Okay, simple enough.

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    Heatran @ Choice Specs
    40 Hp, 252 Sp. Atk, 216 speed
    Modest
    Dragon Pulse
    Fire Blast
    Explosion
    Earth Power

    Base 130 sp.atk+sunny day+STAB+Choice Specs Fire Blast is insanely powerful. Dragon Pulse handles dragons, Earth Power gives good coverage, and explosion for last resort.

    2HKOs Bliss with Specs, Sunny Day, and Fire Blast if I remember.

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    Infernape @ Life Orb
    24 Atk, 252 Sp. Atk, 232 speed
    Naive
    Close Combat
    Flamethrower
    HP Ice
    Nasty Plot/Grass Knot

    Mix-ape with nasty plot. Its pretty self-explanitory.

    With all of the fire going around, you could try all-out MixApe and throw in Grass Knot because you'll need all of the coverage possible. Also, 232 speed, not 252.

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    Tangrowth @ Heat Rock (chlorophyll)
    4 Hp, 252 Sp.atk, 252 speed
    HP Fire
    Sleep Powder
    Solarbeam/Grass Knot
    Sunny Day

    My main sunny day caster. Solarbeam for STAB, and HP Fire for other things. Sleep powder for other stuff.

    With the insane amounts of Sandstorm and some Hail running about, Solarbeam isn't a great option IMO. You could opt for Grass Knot instead

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    Cresselia @ Leftovers
    20 HP, 252 Def, 236 Sp Atk
    Modest
    Reflect
    Moonlight
    Sunny Day
    Ice Beam

    My back up sunny day caster+ a physical wall. Moonlight heals a lot with sunlight.

    Be wary of the fact that MixApe slaughters this. You might have to drop something for Psychic.

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    Blaziken @ Salac Berry
    252 Atk, 4 Def, 252 Speed
    Jolly
    Fire Punch
    Reversal
    Substitute
    Swords Dance

    Use substitute+swords dance till salac activates. Reversal hits really hard, and fire punch hits other things.

    I'm guessing your HP will drop to 1 after 4 Subs? This thing is insanely powerful, especially if you pull off that Swords Dance.

    Well, there you have it....its awful right? I think my teams problem is that its fragile, and is also pretty slow. I just made it like an hr ago for shoddy, and once I perfect it with you guy's help, I might make this for wi-fi.

    The lack of a Rock resist hurts badly, so watch out for Tyranitar and other hard-hitting Rock-types. Tangrowth can Sunny Day and come in on a DD (if it's that variant), then put it to Sleep since you'll be faster unless it Dragon Dances again.

    For a weather team, this isn't bad, but you might wanna drop one of your fire types for a sturdy Ground-type to take on things like Tyranitar, and it would also lose a water weakness due to Sunny Day.

    Also, MixApe massacres this unless you give Cresselia Psychic.
     
    which ground type would you recommend? I was gunna go with chomp>ape at first, but chomp is prolly gunna get banned soon =/. I was also thinking hippowdon, but his ability really hinders my team's sunlight.
     
    I know a lot of people say it fails, but a Swords Dance Rhyperior might do you some good here, or you can go with the defensive version. It's one of the best Tyranitar counters around as well. Just keep it from special attacks, which your team has trouble absorbing. You could also try physical Swampert without Waterfall as well (Sleep Talk)
     
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