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[Postman]

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Swampert @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP/6 Atk/252 Def
Relaxed nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Roar
- Stealth Rock
- Ice Beam

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Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 Def/6 SAtk/252 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Aromatherapy
- Thunder Wave
- Softboiled
- Seismic Toss

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Gengar @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice]

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Salamence @ Choice Specs
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Draco Meteor
- Dragon Pulse
- Hidden Power [Ground]
- Fire Blast

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Lucario @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Steadfast
EVs: 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Lonely nature (+Atk, -Def)
- Close Combat
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Stone Edge
- Crunch

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Gyarados @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 62 HP/252 Atk/196 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Waterfall
- Stone Edge
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake

 

[UUUser]

Swampert @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP/6 Atk/252 Def
Relaxed nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Surf
- Stealth Rock
- Ice Beam
why PHaze move for lead >_>

Lucario @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 252 Spe/176 Spatk/80 Atk
Mild nature (+SAtk, -Def)
- Close Combat
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Stone Edge
- Dark Pulse
Inner Focus is better for Scarfluke. Dark Pulse over Crunch because of Dark Pulse flinch rate

comments and fixes are in bold

 

[Sora_8920]

comments and fixes are in bold

Why Mild on Lucario? .__. Lonely usually works better.

He probably put Roar on it because some other leads could be intimidating, so he would Roar it out for later...

 

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Gah >_< I can't find a real weakness in this team. In theory, foe ScarfGar is a threat, but it won't be getting past Swampert or Blissey anytime soon. Great team =]

 

[Faceless*]

OK, Let me just start by saying, thank you for not using a team with 4+ walls/tanks.

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Swampert @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP/6 Atk/252 Def
Relaxed nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Roar
- Stealth Rock
- Ice Beam

This is your lead? Ouch. Put something else, ANYTHING (If you tell me Blissey, then I've wasted my time here) like Lucario with Scarf, makes a decent lead than THIS. Regarding that.. good luck with this...

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Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 Def/6 SAtk/252 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Aromatherapy
- Thunder Wave
- Softboiled
- Seismic Toss

Gengar GG's this thing with this moveset, I really recommend Ice Beam or T-Bolt in place of Thunderwave.

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Gengar @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice]

Now this is a neat surprise tool, but I recommend to throw away the scarf and attach a Life Orb, because this set will succeed rarely since the only things you can switch in with THIS Pokemon are fighting moves and the only things that are going to switch in to this are walls. (By some rare occasions, possibly sweepers with resistance of a predicted move). Since walls are going to switch into this (Most likely... a Blissey), it is recommended you put in Hypnosis.

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Salamence @ Choice Specs
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Draco Meteor
- Dragon Pulse
- Hidden Power [Ground]
- Fire Blast

Specsmence... the revised standard (Bye bye Hydro Pump!)

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Lucario @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Steadfast
EVs: 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Lonely nature (+Atk, -Def)
- Close Combat
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Stone Edge
- Crunch

I can already tell you, this team will get owned by Stealth Rock =P

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Gyarados @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 62 HP/252 Atk/196 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Waterfall
- Stone Edge
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake

Losing the Taunt and putting in Life Orb to make a surprise attack.. it could work since no moron will switch a Skarmory/Forretress into this thing no matter what (Unless, like me, I know you're going to use this Gyarados). It could work, but Taunt has many other uses, keep that in mind.

Well well, this is the exact same team (Pokemonwise) I had about 5 months ago, what a strange coincidence

 

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Yeah, uh, most of that rate was bad, and spreading false information.

First off, even though Taunt leads are common, Swampert makes a fine lead. It gets off SR early, and can actually live a hit or two. It also phazes and pretty much handles things like Weavile (non SD versions)

Gengar will not be hurting Blissey whatsoever. Blissey can PP stall any version of it. T-Wave is essential for paralysis support, something this team could use.

I noticed you said the LO set for Gengar is better ._. Nice job, except they do TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. ScarfGar is a revenge killer; not a sweeper. And no, you can't just switch into fighting types. You can switch into weak Bug attacks, ground, and normal attacks. The latter 2 cannot hit him, and the former is a 4x resist.

How does SR own a team with 2 SR weak Pokes? I doubt it, and Taunt on LO Gyara is sheerly a bad move. LO Gyara is a sweeper, not a tank.

 

[Postman]

Yea... what Vance said. :)
SR hasn't really done anything to my team.
Stealth Rocks, Spikes, and Toxic Spikes do hurt me.. since I love Blissey. (happened to me today)

Why are you peoplez hatin' on my Swampert!
Deoxys and Aerodactyl except me to SR and I expect them to Taunt so I usually just get an attack on them, 2hko.
Gengar just puts me too sleep, but I switch to Blissey hoping it's not gonna sub up and Punch me o_0.

 

[Faceless*]

Alright, time to justify my rates =P

Yeah, uh, most of that rate was bad, and spreading false information.

First off, even though Taunt leads are common, Swampert makes a fine lead. It gets off SR early, and can actually live a hit or two. It also phazes and pretty much handles things like Weavile (non SD versions)

Worth the SR? Well, there are many Taunt leads, but there are also these things called Status Leads (Sleep for a big one)

Gengar will not be hurting Blissey whatsoever. Blissey can PP stall any version of it. T-Wave is essential for paralysis support, something this team could use.

I'm not saying Blissey wont be hurt by Gengar, of course not. I'm saying use Hypnosis on it to switch out safely or if you're lucky, make the opponent switch out. I'm also saying it's useless to put a Scarf on Gengar since Blissey is the most common switch on it.

I noticed you said the LO set for Gengar is better ._. Nice job, except they do TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. ScarfGar is a revenge killer; not a sweeper. And no, you can't just switch into fighting types. You can switch into weak Bug attacks, ground, and normal attacks. The latter 2 cannot hit him, and the former is a 4x resist.

Yes, that is understood, now, give me a few Bug, Normal, ground attacks and what pokemon uses them. If you list one that will NOT switch out on a Gengar switching IN, then I will tell you that you are correct

How does SR own a team with 2 SR weak Pokes? I doubt it, and Taunt on LO Gyara is sheerly a bad move. LO Gyara is a sweeper, not a tank.

Don't you understand? You'd think Gyarados is a sweeper, and yes it is. However, it takes 2 turns for it to BECOME a sweeper, so it needs some BULK. I actually said the Gyarados could even work. As for the SR, he already has 2 Choice _____ items on 2 different Pokemon, which means he'll be switching out a hella lot (Not to mention, there is already a lot of switching to do in every battle) and Specsmence is a hit-and-run Pokemon

You're the old Tyranitar right? xD

 

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Worth the SR? Well, there are many Taunt leads, but there are also these things called Status Leads (Sleep for a big one)

Sleeping a Swampert is not worth it =/ That opens up the rest of the team to protect against sleep status, due to sleep cause. In a sense, by taking the sleep, Pert has already helped the team.

I'm not saying Blissey wont be hurt by Gengar, of course not. I'm saying use Hypnosis on it to switch out safely or if you're lucky, make the opponent switch out. I'm also saying it's useless to put a Scarf on Gengar since Blissey is the most common switch on it.

"Useless to put a Scarf on Gengar" <---What? You do realize ScarfGar w/ Timid and Max Speed outspeeds Gyarados w/ Max speed...After 2 Dragon Dances? It outspeeds all forms of Deoxys-e barring that rare, crappy Scarf set. It revenge kills the biggest OU threats in the game; Salamence, Gyarados, Heatran, Tyranitar, Lucario, etc...etc...Are all either OHKO'd or 2HKO'd. Let's not forget that SR makes a lot of those 2HKO's OHKO's =/ Plus, Blissey usage is plummeting.

Yes, that is understood, now, give me a few Bug, Normal, ground attacks and what pokemon uses them. If you list one that will NOT switch out on a Gengar switching IN, then I will tell you that you are correct

Tyranitar uses EQ and gives Gengar a free switch in. Unless it's running a super bulky set, it'll be OHKO'd by Focus Blast. A foe Gengar uses Focus Blast, ScarfGar comes in, OHKO'd by Shadow Ball. Salamence and Dragonite use Earthquake (both can have a DD and still be outsped) Gengar comes in and revenge kills them. Return is also a commonly used move; Normal types use them. Most Normal types are outsped and OHKO'd by Focus Blast.

Don't you understand? You'd think Gyarados is a sweeper, and yes it is. However, it takes 2 turns for it to BECOME a sweeper, so it needs some BULK. I actually said the Gyarados could even work. As for the SR, he already has 2 Choice _____ items on 2 different Pokemon, which means he'll be switching out a hella lot (Not to mention, there is already a lot of switching to do in every battle) and Specsmence is a hit-and-run Pokemon

BULKYGYARA needs set ups to be a real sweeper. Even without a DD, LO Gyara still hits pretty hard. With a DD, it 2HKO's things like crazy. 3 DD's is GG in all honesty, but even if that's not enough to persuade you, LO Gyara can outspeed other Gyara's and OHKO with Stone Edge.

 

[Faceless*]

Sleeping a Swampert is not worth it =/ That opens up the rest of the team to protect against sleep status, due to sleep cause. In a sense, by taking the sleep, Pert has already helped the team.

Whoa, thats going in really deep, but this guy only has this Pokemon to take Physical hits and switch in safely, having this one asleep isn't very good either

"Useless to put a Scarf on Gengar" <---What? You do realize ScarfGar w/ Timid and Max Speed outspeeds Gyarados w/ Max speed...After 2 Dragon Dances? It outspeeds all forms of Deoxys-e barring that rare, crappy Scarf set. It revenge kills the biggest OU threats in the game; Salamence, Gyarados, Heatran, Tyranitar, Lucario, etc...etc...Are all either OHKO'd or 2HKO'd. Let's not forget that SR makes a lot of those 2HKO's OHKO's =/ Plus, Blissey usage is plummeting.

Whoops, that's a mistake on my part, I must have been part sleeping when I actually said its completely useless to put scarf on Gengar, no it is not useless, but the use it has is very limited. Now, as they see a decent player switching in Gengar when both players obviously know Salamence/others with scarf/speed boosts in some way, do they think they've madew a mistake? They can predict the Scarf on Gengar since its obvious that something made the switching player switch Gengar in.

Tyranitar uses EQ and gives Gengar a free switch in. Unless it's running a super bulky set, it'll be OHKO'd by Focus Blast. A foe Gengar uses Focus Blast, ScarfGar comes in, OHKO'd by Shadow Ball. Salamence and Dragonite use Earthquake (both can have a DD and still be outsped) Gengar comes in and revenge kills them. Return is also a commonly used move; Normal types use them. Most Normal types are outsped and OHKO'd by Focus Blast.

^ See the above =) ^

BULKYGYARA needs set ups to be a real sweeper. Even without a DD, LO Gyara still hits pretty hard. With a DD, it 2HKO's things like crazy. 3 DD's is GG in all honesty, but even if that's not enough to persuade you, LO Gyara can outspeed other Gyara's and OHKO with Stone Edge.

Ahem, I was referring to the speed not the attack, but point taken

Read the bolds in the quote.

 

[Postman]

Whoa, thats going in really deep, but this guy only has this Pokemon to take Physical hits and switch in safely, having this one asleep isn't very good either

No I don't D: .
Swampert doesn't really take Physical hits that well.. and no way to recover.
I only have it to set up rocks and roar his team to scout.
I usally end up doing what Vance said because for some reason Yanmega keeps popping up.

Ahem, I was referring to the speed not the attack, but point taken

So Azelf, Garchomp, Tyranitar, Lucario, Heracross, ect can't sweep because of their speed?

 

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Whoa, thats going in really deep, but this guy only has this Pokemon to take Physical hits and switch in safely, having this one asleep isn't very good either

I was responding to you talking about Sleeper leads. Sleeping a Pokemon is never good, but for the rest of the teammates, it's beneficial since it lets them sweep without fear of falling asleep.

Whoops, that's a mistake on my part, I must have been part sleeping when I actually said its completely useless to put scarf on Gengar, no it is not useless, but the use it has is very limited. Now, as they see a decent player switching in Gengar when both players obviously know Salamence/others with scarf/speed boosts in some way, do they think they've madew a mistake? They can predict the Scarf on Gengar since its obvious that something made the switching player switch Gengar in.

Obvious or not. If it works, it works. Getting rid of a DD Salamence is still a great thing to do, making ScarfGar the Gengar of choice.

 

[Anti]

...lol

Pretty solid team overall. Watch out for Lucario with Bullet Punch and Stone edge, since those will definitely catch your team off guard though a Lucario with both of those moves is uncommon to say the very least.

imo the biggest problem is Heracross, and both switch-ins to it are SR and SS weak. They also take a beating from Stone Edge. You can't really revenge kill it very efficiently with Gengar or Lucario.

Not really huge problems though, overall a good team. Pretty standard offense really. Welcome to DP.

 

[Postman]

I noticed I had a Heracross problem when Vance used a (CB?) Heracross ._.

Welcome to DP

=3

 

[Faceless*]

I was responding to you talking about Sleeper leads. Sleeping a Pokemon is never good, but for the rest of the teammates, it's beneficial since it lets them sweep without fear of falling asleep.



Obvious or not. If it works, it works. Getting rid of a DD Salamence is still a great thing to do, making ScarfGar the Gengar of choice.

Alright, I'll end my stand here, closing the argument.. in a few more seconds after one more thing to respond to :

No I don't D: .
Swampert doesn't really take Physical hits that well.. and no way to recover.
I only have it to set up rocks and roar his team to scout.
I usally end up doing what Vance said because for some reason Yanmega keeps popping up.

So Azelf, Garchomp, Tyranitar, Lucario, Heracross, ect can't sweep because of their speed?

... uhh I think you misunderstood me because I can't understand you XD

Gyarados = 85 Speed

Standard Sweeper = <85 Speed

There, that's simple enough to understand isn't it? =3

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I think you mean >85 speed 0_o

 

[Postman]

... uhh I think you misunderstood me because I can't understand you XD

Gyarados = 85 Speed

Standard Sweeper = <85 Speed

There, that's simple enough to understand isn't it? =3

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it takes 2 turns for it to BECOME a sweeper

It only takes one DD to outspeed Azelf, iirc.

I have never had this many replies in any of my RMTs :o

 

[Faceless*]

I think you mean >85 speed 0_o

Whoops, that's it, I'm GOING TO BED! -_- (Thanks for the correction)

 

[UUUser]

Why Mild on Lucario? .__. Lonely usually works better.

ScarfLuke's main attack is Dark Pulse

 

[Postman]

I wasn't really going for a mixed attacker.