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help make my team(with starters) nearly undefeatable?

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    i know most people think it's chaotic when you have all 3 starters on one team.. but i've been playing net battle for a while now and it's not like i'm winning anybody's respect winning with a team of OU's like metagross, tyranitar, blissey, skarm, etc etc. it also gets old. i love to win, but really, there comes a point where it becomes pointless to win with pokemon you don't even like, using movesets which were created by many others before you. i've always been fond of starters(perhaps a newbish thing to say but it's true) and i think it'll be quite a challenge to build a team around staters, even if the other 3 spots are occupied by OU's. anyway, i'd appreciate any sort of help. so far my team has been winning its fair share of games, but i want it to be even better. There are different versions of the team, one composed of OU's like Tauros, Gengar, Snorlax and the other composed of my sentimental favorites(pikachu butterfree and pidgeot).

    Tauros@CB [adament] nickname: Lebron James
    -intimidate
    6hp, 252att, 252speed
    -facade
    -return
    -hp ghost
    -earthquake

    very standard. i'm trying to steer away from OU's so i replace him with pikachu when i'm up for the challenge, but when the losing sets in i'd switch back to him and he's pretty good. i don't expect much of a feedback here.

    Pikachu@lightball [modest] nickname: Allen Iverson
    -static
    6hp, 252sp.att, 252 speed
    -volt tackle
    -hp ice
    -thunderwave <-- rarely used cuz pika can't take hits well
    -encore

    not bad, imo. he's actually pretty strong, but it's when i run into the fast pokemon that i have trouble. things that outrun it usually kill it, and i think even at jolly nature he still gets outrun by a lot of pokes, and lose a lot of his sp. att. he's surprised several ppl, but obviously when i'm up against pros his abilities are very limited. pika is quite a big drop off from tauros as anyone can see.

    Gengar@salac [modest] nickname: Kobe Bryant
    -leviate
    6hp, 252sp.att, 252speed
    -destiny bond
    -psychic
    -tbolt
    -ice punch
    my second pokemon of choice when up against experts. he can't avoid status, but as long as he doesn't get paralyzed i'm happy. and chances are you know which pokemon does which status effects. blisseys twave, weezing willowisp, so you just switch accordingly(or not as in weezing's case you use psychic and OHKO it). as long as he has speed then when salac gets activated he can go out with a bang, taking down an extra poke. he's also an excellent special sweeper(though not as good as pikachu but definitely more durable).

    Pidgeot@CB [adament] nickname: Ray Allen
    -keen eye
    6hp, 252att, 252speed
    -return
    -hp ghost
    -quick attack
    -hyperbeam <-- this is useful since in a lot of cases he's gonna get OHKO anyway, so might as well go strong :P
    a poor man's CB tauros i guess. when he replaces gengar i obviously lose a huge physical tank as gengar can avoid ground, normal, and fighting attacks. pidgeot can take a hit from a fighting type but he won't last long. this is a huge drop off from gengar really. quick attack is useful though, when you have a fighting poke trying to do reversal.

    snorlax@lefties [sassy] nickname: Shaq O'Neal
    -immunity
    6hp, 252def, 252sp.def
    -curse
    -rest
    -shadowball
    -return
    very boring standard curelax.. but.. i need a special tank. i try not to use him even against experts cuz he's quite cheap and everybody hates snorlax. curelax requires no skills(which is why i use him).

    butterfree@salac [jolly] nickname: Damon Jones
    -compound eyes
    252hp, 252speed, 6sp.att
    -sleep powder
    -stun spore
    -psychic
    -hp water
    my worst poke. horrible horrible really. why do i even bother? there's a line between using sentimental favorites and just plain saying "OHKO me, my friend". having max speed allows it to sleep powder pokes(and i believe his compound eyes help boost his accuracy as he doesn't seem to miss as often as venasaur does). stun spore to add to the annoyance as he can stun spore the next poke as the opponent switch out the sleeping poke. psychic is his strongest attack, but really, it hardly hurts anybody even with SE. hp water too. he catches some newbies by surprise, but overall ppl just walk all over him. you can imagine how big a drop off he is from snorlax.. without snorlax i miss a special tank and teams have fun bullying my weak weak team.

    now for the CORE of the team:
    Venasaur @ lefties [modest/adament] <-- usually modest
    nickname: Tim Duncan
    -overgrow
    252hp, 162def, 96sp.def
    -gigadrain/magical leaf/earthquake <--i use giga drain
    -hp fire/hp ice/sludge bomb<--hp fire for skarms
    -sleep powder
    -leech seed

    i think he is one of my strongest pokes. he's a semi-tank as he can take several hits. i used to use the adament set but after trying out the special set i think i like it better. both have its pros and cons. i used to use magical leaf but giga drain gives it even more staying power. magical leaf has more pp but really, what are the chances i'll even survive that long? i mean the move i use the most is leech seed, heck, even hp fire as some trainers are still a little slow on catching on, sending out their skarms against venasaur. giga drain when used with leech seed makes him almost invincible. not to mention with pp ups i get 8 pp which is enough. i haven't actually ever run out of giga drain yet, granted i just started using it recently.

    charizard @ salac [modest] nickname: Kevin Garnett
    -blaze
    6hp, 252speed, 252 sp.att
    -fire blast/heat wave
    -hp electric <-- any suggestions?
    -dragon claw
    -endure
    he can't avoid status.. but just pick your battles. i send him out against weezings, and usually he's matched up with other dragon pokes like salamence, dragonite, tyranitar. i find the physical charizard pretty weak since i can never DD up properly or belly drum up(even with sub). it's really too risky. i notice most ppl don't even try to use status on charizard anyway because he's so weak (2HKO if not OHKO). still, i like him and he can contribute if used right. dragon claw drops salamence like they're hot, fire blast drops skarms and weezings, endure helps it survive an extra hit which activating salac. i like this way better than the DD zard or BD zard.

    blastoise@lefties[bold] nickname: Yao Ming
    -torrent
    252hp, 129def, 129sp.att
    -counter
    -haze
    -surf
    -ice beam
    not very creative but he's alright. sp.att gives him that extra punch and he can still take several hits. he's just okay. i like him better than the DD/BD zard that's so popular in the meta game at least ;P i'd give him mirror coat, but really, he's my physical tank so i usually send him out for physical tankage(ie when pokes curse up or DD up or SD up or whatnot). counter just makes a lot more sense when he's gonna be taking physical attacks, does it?
     
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    my comments on ur team, fine generally but always try to get a hp divisible by 16 for anything with lefties.
    c_dog said:
    i know most people think it's chaotic when you have all 3 starters on one team.. but i've been playing net battle for a while now and it's not like i'm winning anybody's respect winning with a team of OU's like metagross, tyranitar, blissey, skarm, etc etc. it also gets old. i love to win, but really, there comes a point where it becomes pointless to win with pokemon you don't even like, using movesets which were created by many others before you. i've always been fond of starters(perhaps a newbish thing to say but it's true) and i think it'll be quite a challenge to build a team around staters, even if the other 3 spots are occupied by OU's. anyway, i'd appreciate any sort of help. so far my team has been winning its fair share of games, but i want it to be even better. There are different versions of the team, one composed of OU's like Tauros, Gengar, Snorlax and the other composed of my sentimental favorites(pikachu butterfree and pidgeot).

    Tauros@CB [jolly] nickname: Lebron James
    -intimidate
    6hp, 252att, 252speed
    -facade
    -return
    -hp ghost
    -earthquake

    very standard. i'm trying to steer away from OU's so i replace him with pikachu when i'm up for the challenge, but when the losing sets in i'd switch back to him and he's pretty good. i don't expect much of a feedback here.

    Pikachu@lightball [timid] nickname: Allen Iverson
    -static
    6hp, 252sp.att, 252 speed
    -volt tackle
    -hp ice
    -thunderwave <-- rarely used cuz pika can't take hits well
    -encore

    not bad, imo. he's actually pretty strong, but it's when i run into the fast pokemon that i have trouble. things that outrun it usually kill it, and i think even at jolly nature he still gets outrun by a lot of pokes, and lose a lot of his sp. att. he's surprised several ppl, but obviously when i'm up against pros his abilities are very limited. pika is quite a big drop off from tauros as anyone can see.

    Gengar@salac [timid] nickname: Kobe Bryant
    -leviate
    6hp, 252sp.att, 252speed
    -destiny bond/explosion
    -psychic / i recommend giga drain for pesky swamperts
    -tbolt
    -ice punch (watch out for sp.def sala)
    my second pokemon of choice when up against experts. he can't avoid status, but as long as he doesn't get paralyzed i'm happy. and chances are you know which pokemon does which status effects. blisseys twave, weezing willowisp, so you just switch accordingly(or not as in weezing's case you use psychic and OHKO it). as long as he has speed then when salac gets activated he can go out with a bang, taking down an extra poke. he's also an excellent special sweeper(though not as good as pikachu but definitely more durable).

    Pidgeot@CB [adament] nickname: Ray Allen
    -keen eye
    6hp, 252att, 252speed
    -return
    -hp ghost
    -quick attack
    - aerial ace <-- this is useful since in a lot of cases he's gonna get OHKO anyway, so might as well go strong :P
    a poor man's CB tauros i guess. when he replaces gengar i obviously lose a huge physical tank as gengar can avoid ground, normal, and fighting attacks. pidgeot can take a hit from a fighting type but he won't last long. this is a huge drop off from gengar really. quick attack is useful though, when you have a fighting poke trying to do reversal.

    snorlax@lefties [sassy/adamant] nickname: Shaq O'Neal
    -immunity / thick fat for bluffs
    6hp, 252def, 252sp.def
    -curse
    -rest
    -shadowball
    -return
    very boring standard curselax.. but.. i need a special tank. i try not to use him even against experts cuz he's quite cheap and everybody hates snorlax. curelax requires no skills(which is why i use him).

    butterfree@lefty [jolly] nickname: Damon Jones
    -compound eyes
    108hp, 252speed, rest in def
    -sleep powder
    -stun spore
    -sub
    -toxic (to make use of compound eyes)
    my worst poke. horrible horrible really. why do i even bother? there's a line between using sentimental favorites and just plain saying "OHKO me, my friend". having max speed allows it to sleep powder pokes(and i believe his compound eyes help boost his accuracy as he doesn't seem to miss as often as venasaur does). stun spore to add to the annoyance as he can stun spore the next poke as the opponent switch out the sleeping poke. psychic is his strongest attack, but really, it hardly hurts anybody even with SE. hp water too. he catches some newbies by surprise, but overall ppl just walk all over him. you can imagine how big a drop off he is from snorlax.. without snorlax i miss a special tank and teams have fun bullying my weak weak team.

    now for the CORE of the team:
    Venasaur @ lefties [modest/adament] <-- usually modest yes
    nickname: Tim Duncan
    -overgrow
    252hp, 162def, 96sp.def
    -gigadrain/magical leaf/earthquake <--i use giga drain
    -hp fire/hp ice/sludge bomb<--hp fire for skarms
    -sleep powder
    -leech seed

    i think he is one of my strongest pokes. he's a semi-tank as he can take several hits. i used to use the adament set but after trying out the special set i think i like it better. both have its pros and cons. i used to use magical leaf but giga drain gives it even more staying power. magical leaf has more pp but really, what are the chances i'll even survive that long? i mean the move i use the most is leech seed, heck, even hp fire as some trainers are still a little slow on catching on, sending out their skarms against venasaur. giga drain when used with leech seed makes him almost invincible. not to mention with pp ups i get 8 pp which is enough. i haven't actually ever run out of giga drain yet, granted i just started using it recently.

    charizard @ petaya [timid] nickname: Kevin Garnett
    -blaze
    6hp, 252speed, 252 sp.att
    -fire blast (petaya+blaze+stab)
    -sub
    -dragon claw (ohko on sala after petaya)
    -hp grass

    he can't avoid status.. but just pick your battles. i send him out against weezings, and usually he's matched up with other dragon pokes like salamence, dragonite, tyranitar. i find the physical charizard pretty weak since i can never DD up properly or belly drum up(even with sub). it's really too risky. i notice most ppl don't even try to use status on charizard anyway because he's so weak (2HKO if not OHKO). still, i like him and he can contribute if used right. dragon claw drops salamence like they're hot, fire blast drops skarms and weezings, endure helps it survive an extra hit which activating salac. i like this way better than the DD zard or BD zard.

    blastoise@lefties[bold] nickname: Yao Ming
    -torrent
    252hp, 129def, 129sp.att
    -counter
    -haze
    -surf
    -ice beam
    not very creative but he's alright. sp.att gives him that extra punch and he can still take several hits. he's just okay. i like him better than the DD/BD zard that's so popular in the meta game at least ;P i'd give him mirror coat, but really, he's my physical tank so i usually send him out for physical tankage(ie when pokes curse up or DD up or SD up or whatnot). counter just makes a lot more sense when he's gonna be taking physical attacks, does it?
     
    c_dog said:
    i know most people think it's chaotic when you have all 3 starters on one team.. but i've been playing net battle for a while now and it's not like i'm winning anybody's respect winning with a team of OU's like metagross, tyranitar, blissey, skarm, etc etc. it also gets old. i love to win, but really, there comes a point where it becomes pointless to win with pokemon you don't even like, using movesets which were created by many others before you. i've always been fond of starters(perhaps a newbish thing to say but it's true) and i think it'll be quite a challenge to build a team around staters, even if the other 3 spots are occupied by OU's. anyway, i'd appreciate any sort of help. so far my team has been winning its fair share of games, but i want it to be even better. There are different versions of the team, one composed of OU's like Tauros, Gengar, Snorlax and the other composed of my sentimental favorites(pikachu butterfree and pidgeot).

    Tauros@CB [adament] nickname: Lebron James
    -intimidate
    6hp, 252att, 252speed
    -facade iron tail
    -return
    -hp ghost
    -earthquake

    very standard. i'm trying to steer away from OU's so i replace him with pikachu when i'm up for the challenge, but when the losing sets in i'd switch back to him and he's pretty good. i don't expect much of a feedback here.

    Pikachu@lightball [modest] nickname: Allen Iverson
    -static
    6hp, 252sp.att, 252 speed
    -volt tackle
    -hp ice
    -substitute <-- rarely used cuz pika can't take hits well
    -encore

    not bad, imo. he's actually pretty strong, but it's when i run into the fast pokemon that i have trouble. things that outrun it usually kill it, and i think even at jolly nature he still gets outrun by a lot of pokes, and lose a lot of his sp. att. he's surprised several ppl, but obviously when i'm up against pros his abilities are very limited. pika is quite a big drop off from tauros as anyone can see.

    Gengar@salac [Timid] nickname: Kobe Bryant
    -leviate
    6hp, 252sp.att, 252speed
    -destiny bond
    -psychic
    -tbolt
    -ice punch
    my second pokemon of choice when up against experts. he can't avoid status, but as long as he doesn't get paralyzed i'm happy. and chances are you know which pokemon does which status effects. blisseys twave, weezing willowisp, so you just switch accordingly(or not as in weezing's case you use psychic and OHKO it). as long as he has speed then when salac gets activated he can go out with a bang, taking down an extra poke. he's also an excellent special sweeper(though not as good as pikachu but definitely more durable).

    Pidgeot@CB [adament] nickname: Ray Allen
    -keen eye
    6hp, 252att, 252speed
    -return
    -hp ghost
    -quick attack
    -hyperbeam <-- this is useful since in a lot of cases he's gonna get OHKO anyway, so might as well go strong :P
    a poor man's CB tauros i guess. when he replaces gengar i obviously lose a huge physical tank as gengar can avoid ground, normal, and fighting attacks. pidgeot can take a hit from a fighting type but he won't last long. this is a huge drop off from gengar really. quick attack is useful though, when you have a fighting poke trying to do reversal.

    gengar doesn't tank he sweeps. What you mean is that he can switch in well


    snorlax@lefties [sassy] nickname: Shaq O'Neal
    Trait: Thick Fat
    EVs: 156 HP / 178 Def / 176 SDef
    -curse
    -rest
    -shadowball
    -return
    very boring standard curelax.. but.. i need a special tank. i try not to use him even against experts cuz he's quite cheap and everybody hates snorlax. curelax requires no skills(which is why i use him).

    butterfree@salac [Timid] nickname: Damon Jones
    -compound eyes
    252hp, 252speed, 6sp.att
    -sleep powder
    -stun spore
    -psychic
    -hp water
    my worst poke. horrible horrible really. why do i even bother? there's a line between using sentimental favorites and just plain saying "OHKO me, my friend". having max speed allows it to sleep powder pokes(and i believe his compound eyes help boost his accuracy as he doesn't seem to miss as often as venasaur does). stun spore to add to the annoyance as he can stun spore the next poke as the opponent switch out the sleeping poke. psychic is his strongest attack, but really, it hardly hurts anybody even with SE. hp water too. he catches some newbies by surprise, but overall ppl just walk all over him. you can imagine how big a drop off he is from snorlax.. without snorlax i miss a special tank and teams have fun bullying my weak weak team.

    now for the CORE of the team:
    Venasaur @ lefties [modest/adament] <-- usually modest
    nickname: Tim Duncan
    -overgrow
    EVs: 252 HP / 122 Def / 136 SDef
    -gigadrain/magical leaf/earthquake <--i use giga drain
    -hp fire/hp ice/sludge bomb<--hp fire for skarms
    -sleep powder
    -leech seed

    i think he is one of my strongest pokes. he's a semi-tank as he can take several hits. i used to use the adament set but after trying out the special set i think i like it better. both have its pros and cons. i used to use magical leaf but giga drain gives it even more staying power. magical leaf has more pp but really, what are the chances i'll even survive that long? i mean the move i use the most is leech seed, heck, even hp fire as some trainers are still a little slow on catching on, sending out their skarms against venasaur. giga drain when used with leech seed makes him almost invincible. not to mention with pp ups i get 8 pp which is enough. i haven't actually ever run out of giga drain yet, granted i just started using it recently.

    charizard @ salac [modest] nickname: Kevin Garnett
    -blaze
    6hp, 252speed, 252 sp.att
    -fire blast/heat wave
    -hp grass <-- any suggestions?
    -dragon claw
    -endure
    he can't avoid status.. but just pick your battles. i send him out against weezings, and usually he's matched up with other dragon pokes like salamence, dragonite, tyranitar. i find the physical charizard pretty weak since i can never DD up properly or belly drum up(even with sub). it's really too risky. i notice most ppl don't even try to use status on charizard anyway because he's so weak (2HKO if not OHKO). still, i like him and he can contribute if used right. dragon claw drops salamence like they're hot, fire blast drops skarms and weezings, endure helps it survive an extra hit which activating salac. i like this way better than the DD zard or BD zard.

    blastoise@lefties[bold] nickname: Yao Ming
    -torrent
    EVs: 252 HP / 54 Atk / 148 Def / 56 SAtk
    -Focus Punch
    -haze
    -Surf
    -rapin spin/rest
    not very creative but he's alright. sp.att gives him that extra punch and he can still take several hits. he's just okay. i like him better than the DD/BD zard that's so popular in the meta game at least ;P i'd give him mirror coat, but really, he's my physical tank so i usually send him out for physical tankage(ie when pokes curse up or DD up or SD up or whatnot). counter just makes a lot more sense when he's gonna be taking physical attacks, does it?

    you should watch out for other choice banded Tauros as this team has no normal resistance
     
    Regarding the starters, these are my favorite sets for them.

    Blastoise@Lefties
    EVs:252 HP, 129 Sp. def, 129 Def
    Nature:Bold/Modest
    Ice Beam
    Surf
    S-Toss
    Rest

    Charazard@Liechi Berry/Salac Berry
    EVs:252 Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
    Nature:Lonely
    Substitute
    Focus Punch
    Earthquake/Rock Slide/HP [Flying]
    Overheat

    Venasuar@Lefties
    EVs:252 HP, 129 Attack, 129 Speed/Def
    Nature:Adamant
    Earthquake
    Sludge Bomb
    Leech Seed
    Sleep Powder

    Hope this helps.
    :D
     
    thanks for all the suggestions, they've all been helpful. question for husk though, how do you suggest that i use that blastoise? like i said i tend to use him as my physical tanker but without counter he can't really do much. also there's no ice beam which takes away his ability to take down some pokemon which are normally SE against ice. i'm sure you have that set for a reason though. so far i've only had the opportunity to use focus punch 2-3 times.. and while i like how i'm able to punish opponents on the switch i miss ice beam. i guess this is a good anti blissey-stoise though... but yeah, i'm not quite sure how to use him yet. some help would be greatly appreciated.

    i haven't tried the toxic butterfree yet, cuz the one i'm using has been doing pretty well. turns out butterfree can take a hit afterall so it can at least sleep powder a poke and then stun spore one more if the opponent brings in a fresh one. venusaur with leech seed can then allow me to bring butterfree back in to status effect a couple more pokes, and finally i can bring in charizard/pidgeot/pikachu to do some cleaning up. i loose out big time to ppl who has uber team obviously, but it's been putting up a fair fight against OU teams with occasional wins here and there.

    and @mullet, i'm not too fond of the physical sweeper zard. he doesn't do that much damage unless he BD/DD up but he's usually took weak to set up properly or opponents don't give you the chance to. with the special zard i get to take advantage of STAB at max sp.att. physical zard can use STAB with hp flying but most physical zards have earthquake/overheat/sub/BD, and if you use hp flying in place of BD then hp flying isn't all that strong anyway. it seems to be the unanimous that physical zard >> special zard.. but for me, it's not cuz i can never set up right. it's partly cuz i suck and partly cuz my opponents are too smart :P so special zard works way better(for now) as i don't think ppl are expecting it.
     
    rest to have more of a chance to tank

    rapid spin because your team has no spikes protection

    surf or icebeam I guess, possibley ice beam because as you said it beats mence and grasses and also surf beats fire, rock,and ground , and fire is very uncommon where as rock and ground are nearly always paired and ice beam if SE against ground

    so I guess ice beam over surf if you want.

    the set I posted I use in UU, but, I guess ice beam is better for OU


    mainly this set is supposed to use yawn to force something to switch out and then focus punch what ever is coming in, to weaken it already. Ice beam is infact a great choice since flying types resist focus punch and ice beam is SE against them.

    good thinking :donut:
     
    well, i didn't give it that much thought really.. i just tested it in battle and find myself wishing i had ice beam on many occasions.

    on the other hand.. what do you think of giving snorlax rockslide instead of shadowball? rockslide still works on ghosts and also hits skarms :P seems like every poke is anti skarm now but really, it's annoying, lol.
     
    rockslide isn't hitting stuff like dusclops hard which is what your need since they ususally have a recovery move (pain split/ Rest). also the miss chance is really annoying since a subbing gengar can put up a sub when you miss and FP or continue to Spattack you

    earthquake is an option over shadowball. Truely curselax needs magneton support
     
    ah, good point. my team is doing okay against skarms actually. they've never posted a problem for me in the past but i guess i hit the rookie wall a while back, ran into some subing skarms which gave me trouble.

    oh, and CB tauros hasn't been a problem yet.:P i anticipate its move and switch accordingly. if he switches and i bring in gengar, then gengar gets to sp.sweep the poke coming in, punishing them for using CB ;D i went with the modest gengar cuz well, i figure with timid he won't be outspeeding many other pokes cuz he's already one of the fastest pokes out there as it is.

    the blastoise i'm using currently has rapid spin/ice beam/yawn/focus punch. i've adjusted to this moveset and i think it's pretty good especially since i didn't have any fighting type attacks on my team. grass and electric pretty much covers the pokes that are weak to water anyway(ground and fire) so the lost of surf is missed, but hasn't given me problems. i do miss HAZE though. cuz without it i haven't been able to punish pokes who try to calm mind up.

    what are your suggestions for beating celebi, suicine, raikou that tend to calm mind up a lot? usually tauros fainted by the time they bring in legendary and snorlax can't take many hits if they calm mind up. venasaur may put one to sleep, but sleep clause ensures the other two pokes can calm mind up to their content.
     
    c_dog said:
    venasaur may put one to sleep, but sleep clause ensures the other two pokes can calm mind up to their content.
    Hopefully people aren't going to use all three on one team. It's generally considered cheap to use more than one legend on a team because it doesn't give BL teams a chance, but there is no multiple legend clause on the Smogon server iirc.
     
    DragonKing said:
    Hopefully people aren't going to use all three on one team. It's generally considered cheap to use more than one legend on a team because it doesn't give BL teams a chance, but there is no multiple legend clause on the Smogon server iirc.

    really? i meet teams with multiple legends. skarm bliss is almost standard.. add celebi, suicine, raikou, and maybe like tyranitar or something so your lefties don't work. tyranitar start with sandstorm, skarm spike and tank, bliss twave and legends calm mind up. quite annoying.
     
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