Monferno or Empoleon? (UU RMT)

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Monferno or Empoleon? (UU RMT) FULLY REVAMPED

Introduction

The merging of BL, UU, and NFE left some great, creative team options to make. This is my first team for the "new UU", and I can't wait to test it.

Making The Team Work

The old team consisted of a few pokemon thrown together. I decided to scrap all but one Pokemom- Mismagius- and build a team around it. I started off with things that wall Mismagius and counter it- Stall and any Specially based bulky normal, dark, or steel type. To solve these issues, I went for a mixed sweeper and a strong fighting type. Lickiliky made a good choice of an excellent sweeper, fitting the title of "Bulky Balance", which is what this team is about. Hariyama also fit the description, and came around as my fighting-type to break Chansey, Umbreon, etc. Next, I needed a special wall to wall special types, which my old team had suffered against. Chansey made a good choice, especially due to the fact that she can cleric with Aromatherapy. I decided to put up Stealth Rock to help cripple more fragile, offensive teams. I also wanted to try using a Tricksy fox for the first time. Claydol made an ideal choice, and was added on to the roster. Finally, to balance the team, I needed a bulky phyiscal sweeper. Since (the number 1 Gyarados counter) Rhyperior was in OU, it proved to be pretty challenging... until I took a break from revamping and read some battle logs. Luke's late-game clean-up with Ursaring and Ursaring's bulk took me by surprise, so I decided to go for it.

THE TEAM ITSELF

Claydol- Stealth Rock abuser, TrickBander
Hariyama- Psuedo-physical wall, keeps bulky normals, darks and steels in check. Serves as a great counter role for Mismagius.
Mismagius- Special sweeper, late game clean-up.
Ursaring- Physical Sweeper, can clean-up late game or terrorize early on
Altaria- Stall Breaker, keeps Mismagius from being countered by Stall
Chansey- Stops special threats from terrorizing this team


Claydol @ Choice Band
Adamant Nature- Levitate
252 Atk/ 252 HP/ 6 Sp. Def

Trick
Stealth Rock
Earthquake
Zen Headbutt

Although this set came from D_A, I found out by myself why it could be so effective. Claydol has identical attack and special attack stats, and EQ packs a lot more power than EP. Trick gets rid of the Choice Band, but allows me to item scout a little, possibly gain a Sash, and then throw up some rocks.

Hariyama @ Leftovers
Impish Nature- Thick Fat
252 Def/ 76 HP/ 108 Atk

Earthquake
Knock Off
Force Palm
Stone Edge

Mismagius's main problems come from Muk and special walls that can take Shadow Ball, namely Bulky darks, normals, and steels(Girafarig also resists lol). Hariyama can dispatch most of these threats, hitting Muk with EQ hard, crippling sweepers with Knock Off on the switch, Force Palming and parahaxing the opponent, or hitting Flyers- namely Staraptor- who think ZOMG HAIRYMAMA IS FAIL LOL with Stone Edge.

Mismagius @ Leftovers
Timid Nature- Levitate?
108 HP/ 180 Atk/ 220 Spe

Calm Mind
Substitute
HP Fighting
Shadow Ball

The late-game clean up sweeper, Mismagius can terrorize once Hairymama and Lickilicky clear its threats out of the way. Substitute blocks status, Calm Mind boosts up Special Attack, giving Mismagius MOAR POWAH, and the (hit all types for neutral) Ghost/Fighting Combo makes an appearance.

Ursaring @ Choice Band
Adamant Nature-Guts
252 Atk/ 234 HP/ 12 Def/ 12 Sp. Def

Return/Body Slam
Crunch
Earthquake
Fire Punch

Inspired by Luke (The guy with the long name about Ursaring for those of you that don't know), Urasring makes a scary phyiscal sweeper that adds on to the scaring of Mismagius' counters. I really want to put Hammer Arm in there somewhere, but can't find a spot. What do you think, Mr. Rater Who Wants To Tear This Team Apart Until The OP Dies?

Altaria @ Life Orb
Mild Nature
112 Atk/ 252 Spa/ 144 Spe

Draco Meteor
Dragon Claw
Fire Blast
Earthquake/Roost

Altaria covers up an extreme fighting weak, and also helps to break several walls. Draco Meteor slams everything bar Steel/Rocks and Mawile, who die to Fire Blast or EQ. I'm opting for the power drop from Outrage to Dragon Claw to prevent lock-ins, which can give Altaria problems. Unfortunately, Altaria suffers from moveslot syndrome, since it can't do much to steels without EQ, but its SR weak wants Roost on the moveset somewhere, especially with LO recoil.


Chansey @ Leftovers
Calm Nature- Natural Cure
252 Def/ 180 HP/ 76 Sp. Def

Aromatherapy
Softboiled
Seismic Toss
Toxic

Guess what? This guy can take care of some stall as well with Toxic! She also stops T-Spikes and T-Wave from crippling my team with Aromatherapy. If she only had special attack like Blissey's...

Changes:
-Subbed out MixLickilicky for MixAltaria

THreats:
The biggest concerns to this team are Gallade and Poliwrath. Gallade terrorizes with SD/CC/Night Slash/Ice Punch orStone Edge, and Poliwrath's Belly Drum set leaves Hariyama quaking in fear from everything besides Ice Punch/Stone Edge. CB Primeape is also a terror, as are most fighting types, even with Claydol and Altaria being able to resist them.

Pokemon that can't be subbed out and replaced:
Hariyama: This guy holds the team practically together, shrugging off Ice Punch's and Stone Edges that my team can't handle, as well as clearing most of theway for Mismagius.
Mismagius: This guy is the central core of the team, and the late-game sweeper.

Alternatives I am considering:

Uxie: Uxie is much bulkier than Claydol, and can still pull off a Trick/SR combo. Its much bulkier defenses also come in handy.
Blaziken: Probably the best stall breaker in UU today, Blaziken can destroy stall. If I replace Claydol with Uxie, Altaria isn't needed.
Muk: Can serve as a fighting resist AND a Special wall.
Vileplume: If Chansey is kicked off the team, this can serve as a cleric.
Mesprit: Has plenty of bulk and power to make a nice Choice Bander as well.


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[Anti]

Naming roles doesn't show strategy or team work at all :x

But anyways, use Leftovers on Nidoqueen. Because, well, they can transfer it to your pokemon. It could go either way, so there's no point in taking the risk.

Lack of status absorption is bad news. Thunder Wave absolutely crushes this team. I mean it's nothing to lose sleep over but watch out for it.

The big problem I see is that almost every single special attacker I can think of mauls this team, plus Gallade. The only ones you stop are the fire-types with Milotic, and it's not EVed in any way to take special hits so HP Grass (if anybody actually uses that) will win. The bulkier ones like Shaymin and Milotic (specs or orb) especially cream your team. I mean you can "revnege kill" with Blaziken and all, but it will be useless against Psychics that are CMing up or stuff that can take your hits like Slowking or Milotic. Revenge killing choice item users though is essentially saying "I can't stop them" and it's a HUGE hassle trying to keep your scarfer alive so that said choice item user doesn't crush your team.

That and, as I eluded to earlier, I don't quite see what this team is actually trying to DO o_O Maybe the new UU isn't like OU, but wow, I don't see how this has any chance of getting by a well-built stall team (as in, one that stops Mismagius). The pokemon still seem to lack any kind of central focus at all, unless you'd care to explain? x_x

As I talked about earlier with Milotic and Slowking, you seem to have trouble with opposing waters. Tangrowth obviously won't cut it, so you're pretty much hoping that Milotic can Toxic stall them. I don't know.

EDIT: I don't mean to imply that you're doomed because you don't have a central strategy, but the fact that your team is really only waiting for its weaknesses to be exposed could spell doom.

 

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Naming roles doesn't show strategy or team work at all :x

But anyways, use Leftovers on Nidoqueen. Because, well, they can transfer it to your pokemon. It could go either way, so there's no point in taking the risk.

Lack of status absorption is bad news. Thunder Wave absolutely crushes this team. I mean it's nothing to lose sleep over but watch out for it.

The big problem I see is that almost every single special attacker I can think of mauls this team, plus Gallade. The only ones you stop are the fire-types with Milotic, and it's not EVed in any way to take special hits so HP Grass (if anybody actually uses that) will win. The bulkier ones like Shaymin and Milotic (specs or orb) especially cream your team. I mean you can "revnege kill" with Blaziken and all, but it will be useless against Psychics that are CMing up or stuff that can take your hits like Slowking or Milotic. Revenge killing choice item users though is essentially saying "I can't stop them" and it's a HUGE hassle trying to keep your scarfer alive so that said choice item user doesn't crush your team.

That and, as I eluded to earlier, I don't quite see what this team is actually trying to DO o_O Maybe the new UU isn't like OU, but wow, I don't see how this has any chance of getting by a well-built stall team (as in, one that stops Mismagius). The pokemon still seem to lack any kind of central focus at all, unless you'd care to explain? x_x

As I talked about earlier with Milotic and Slowking, you seem to have trouble with opposing waters. Tangrowth obviously won't cut it, so you're pretty much hoping that Milotic can Toxic stall them. I don't know.

EDIT: I don't mean to imply that you're doomed because you don't have a central strategy, but the fact that your team is really only waiting for its weaknesses to be exposed could spell doom.

In other words, my team sucks T_T. I guess I'll get to work on stopping my weaks first. Standard Chansey should cover special threats and status pretty well. >> Milotic??

Central strategy... I never think of those T_T. which is y my teams suck. I'll throw out most of the pokemon, and try to build a team around Mismagius. If I could get some help on that, that would be great.


EDIT: Well, I found a second team member to use. Since Mismagius can't do much to wallish darks, steels, and normals (Girafarig walls it), I decided to bring in a bulky fighter to take out those threats for Mismagius to sweep cleanly. I can either keep Hitmontop, or I can opt for a Hariyama. Thoughts?

 

[evilishan]

Go Hariyama, although it's slower than Hitmontop it's got tank Hp(7th) and a good attack(11th) to match, pity it lags behind in everything else (40th+).Adamant Nature:A good chunk of EV(~176)on the defenses and ~120 on attack, rest on HP.

 

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Go Hariyama, although it's slower than Hitmontop it's got tank Hp(7th) and a good attack(11th) to match, pity it lags behind in everything else (40th+).Adamant Nature:A good chunk of EV(~176)on the defenses and ~120 on attack, rest on HP.

I was leaning towards Hairymama anyways. I'm not sure why the attack EVs are there though, and shouldn't it be Impish?

Sorry if this is a bump, go ahead and merge it mods. Just wanted to say that I just finished my full team revamp, which means the hungry Rater Vultures can start afresh. Dig in!

 

[Samson]

does that include me? YAY.

firstly, hariyama. if the purpose for hariyama is to make way for mismagius to sweep, then i don't see why Thick Fat helps it do this. if anything, Guts will be a productive factor in Hariyama punishing foes who have other plans for Missy. so yeah, Thick Fat might make it a great option if they were necessary resistances, but that isn't the case for your team.

speaking of your team, i'd be really concerned for CB Primeape and Bellydrum Poliwrath. while you have a severe fighting weak, your team just can't take strong physical STAB hits in general. hell, the minute something like Toxicroak sets up a sub, you have to do some serious shuffling for it to do the smallest bit of damage possible. without mismagius, Gallade completely defiles your team and even then, Mismagius can't OHKO Gallade. even slow bulkys like azumarill have a blast firing. the thought of Kingler being a threat to a whole team is crazy but it definitely applies.

so yeah, just something you have to consider.

 

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does that include me? YAY.

firstly, hariyama. if the purpose for hariyama is to make way for mismagius to sweep, then i don't see why Thick Fat helps it do this. if anything, Guts will be a productive factor in Hariyama punishing foes who have other plans for Missy. so yeah, Thick Fat might make it a great option if they were necessary resistances, but that isn't the case for your team.


speaking of your team, i'd be really concerned for CB Primeape and Bellydrum Poliwrath. while you have a severe fighting weak, your team just can't take strong physical STAB hits in general. hell, the minute something like Toxicroak sets up a sub, you have to do some serious shuffling for it to do the smallest bit of damage possible. without mismagius, Gallade completely defiles your team and even then, Mismagius can't OHKO Gallade. even slow bulkys like azumarill have a blast firing. the thought of Kingler being a threat to a whole team is crazy but it definitely applies.
After reading your post, I ran damage calcs, and CB Primeape easily 2HKOs Hairymama with CC.

so yeah, just something you have to consider.

Ouch. I looked at my team after ur post, and I saw 3 Normals, 2 of them as sweepers. I'm thinking about dropping Lickiliky (or however you spell it) and bringing a MixAltaria to hold off the extreme fight weak, although Poliwrath can still give problems.

Oh, and I'm going to keep Thick Fat on Hariyama because a lot of my team gets problems from fighters who run Ice Punch and what not.

 

[Samson]

altaria should do, although you may want to consider more bulk on altaria if it's going to be coming in, possibly on SR and taking strong STAB hits. the only way to make it an offensive threat and have enough bulk is to attempt a dragon dance set, a defensive stall set or just plain sleep talk specsAltaria. i'm not sure a life orb set is the best idea, especially w/ Mild nature, which reduces def to boost Sp Atk.

 

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I see your point, but I'm using Altaria to break stall teams. Is there another place I can fill in a fighting resist for albeit Mismagius and Hariyama?

 

[Samson]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGHH. i wrote this whole post and PC froze. booooo.

anywho, to sum it up: TrickSpecs Rotom, Explosion Drifblim, Destiny Bond Froslass, Life Orb Crobat are all good options. i'd consider Crobat tho.

 

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGHH. i wrote this whole post and PC froze. booooo.

anywho, to sum it up: TrickSpecs Rotom, Explosion Drifblim, Destiny Bond Froslass, Life Orb Crobat are all good options. i'd consider Crobat tho.

Those all are good options, except for one thing... You named special sweepers. I already have Mismagius as a special sweeper, and the team is centered around it.