Morally wrong or perfectly fine?

Mitchman

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yWaE8tTlsc
    So should the cop tasered the old lady or calm her down? Personally I think attacking a person of such an age with a taser is down right wrong as she could die from it. Sure she needed to calm down and all but hell it was plain wrong. You guys?
     
    What a complete ass!
    He could have simply kept her away from the car by standing in the way.
    She wasn't a threat.

    I hate cops like that!
     
    Reading the description, the old woman is a liar. Tazing was a bit more than what was necessary, but not by much.

    Chances are that she's going to lose her case.
     
    I certainly don't think this was the right course of action, but this woman was being entirely confrontational. I would say that she's mostly to blame for this - she was the one who disobeyed orders and tried to return to her vehicle when she had been told in no uncertain terms that she would be Tasered if she continued. She was given ample warning, and should have stopped. I don't advocate the use of a Taser on an elderly woman, I should clarify - the policeman should have and could have used a much less harsh method of calming her. However, I doubt this video shows the whole story. One may very well find that the policeman has used every option short of Tasering her, and that Tasering was the only option he had.

    I say the woman's more to blame than the policeman, but that it doesn't make it acceptable.
     
    HarrisonH said:
    Reading the description, the old woman is a liar.
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    So if you lie, you will get tasered. New law on me.



    Tribulations said:
    I certainly don't think this was the right course of action, but this woman was being entirely confrontational.
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    Fair enough, but seriously, what could the woman really have done to him?
    Unless she had a weapon, she really wasn't a threat.
     
    Alinthea said:
    Fair enough, but seriously, what could the woman really have done to him?
    Unless she had a weapon, she really wasn't a threat.
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    The man's job is to uphold the law. She was perfectly prepared to drive off and avoid receiving a speeding ticket, thus breaking the law. The guy's probably done all he can to try and get her to calm down and receive the ticket - which, I assume, she can still appeal. I accept the Tasering was going too far, and this was down to incompetence on the policeman's part; I can only think that he considered the threat of being Tasered would be enough to calm her down, and when he didn't he simply went through with his threat.

    Also, I believe under most juridictions a car is considered a deadly weapon, in the statutory sense, when travelling above a certain speed (though don't quote me on that). So the woman technically did have a weapon and was, technically, threatening to use it.
     
    That video made me :(. What could she do? Pinch his cheeks?
    I mean geez, just push her back a bit.
     
    Tribulations said:
    The man's job is to uphold the law. She was perfectly prepared to drive off and avoid receiving a speeding ticket, thus breaking the law. The guy's probably done all he can to try and get her to calm down and receive the ticket - which, I assume, she can still appeal. I accept the Tasering was going too far, and this was down to incompetence on the policeman's part; I can only think that he considered the threat of being Tasered would be enough to calm her down, and when he didn't he simply went through with his threat.

    Also, I believe under most juridictions a car is considered a deadly weapon, in the statutory sense, when travelling above a certain speed (though don't quote me on that). So the woman technically did have a weapon and was, technically, threatening to use it.
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    Don't get me wrong, I agree it is his job, but if you take into account her age and the incident.
    She could have been killed by that shock.
    Yes, anyone has a chance of being killed, but she was a lot older. If she had died, then it would have been a big thing, once again, about is tasering people right.


     
    1. She did not execute the commands the officer gave her.
    2. She resisted arrest.
    3. She was given several warnings.

    She even DARED him to tase her. I have to say, she had her chances.

    Am I heartless?
     
    Disintegration said:
    1. She did not execute the commands the officer gave her.
    2. She resisted arrest.
    3. She was given several warnings.

    She even DARED him to tase her. I have to say, she had her chances.

    Am I heartless?
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    No. I have to agree with you.

    However, the cop needs to see that she is an elderly woman and shouldn't be tasered. He could have simply pushed here against the car and then arrest her.
     
    Whoa!! Old lady gets tased?? Sweet! Must see!
    *watches vid*

    WTH!! She could have died! And that cop is freakin heartless! And stupid!
    He already tased her and while she's falling to the ground, he's like all "GET ON THE GROUND!!"
    WTH??!!
     
    He asked/told her repeatedly. She was getting in the way of traffic. She was resisting arrest. She basically said "Go ahead and tase me".

    If you take out that she's a (rude) old lady, I don't think anyone would have a problem.

    However, I think he's strong enough to have stopped her by force. But, he made his case, said what he had to say, and followed the procedures accordingly. She keeps resisting. So.... Her fault.

    This lady bugs me. "You're going to give a ticket to an old lady" Yes. You're not above the law. Same reason you can get taserd. If you have an attitude, don't listen to the cop, and taunt/provoke the cop. Well...you kinda asked for it.
     
    Man, she was misbehaving, but what a dick move. He needs to learn that you can't just taze everyone who 1. Is 72 years old, and 2. Isn't a thread, partially because of 1.
     
    Todoroki Is said:
    So should the cop tasered the old lady or calm her down? Personally I think attacking a person of such an age with a taser is down right wrong as she could die from it. Sure she needed to calm down and all but hell it was plain wrong. You guys?
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    That video is definetely[sp?] gonna end up on TruTV. I just know it. xDD

    But about the topic; it doesn't matter how old you are. If you go against the law you will be punished. Sure, I suppose he didn't have to taze her, but who knows what she could've done?
     
    I think that officer is an idiot and i think the elderly women is even a more of an idiot.
    For the officer they shouldnt have tasered her it was just a traffic ticket and could have just gave her the ticket and leave.
    For the lady she could have just followed the directions given by the officer then she wouldn't have been tasered arrested or killed.

    off topic: 500th post :) half way to 1000
     
    Might I throw in my opinion as a military police officer?

    First, to be honest it's hard to say whether the police officer followed correct procedure before user the taser the woman. This is also, mind you, not the whole video. If he was true to his job, he was constantly reminding the woman to calm down, step back, etc. With all those things accounted for (assuming she was a problem the entire time), tasering her has been justified. It's hard to call whether or not tasering her needed to be done off such a short, incomplete video.

    Second, let me give you guys a secret to law enforcement (or at least how the military works). If you can justify it into words, it stands. This is probably the foremost reason why cops get a bad rep, regardless of whether you follow procedure or are a bad cop. As I'm sure you can understand, some cops use this to their advantage and are 'dirty' or 'play favorites'. They'll do something and then justify it correctly with some elaborate stories. The good officers (especially those that develop a good reputation) need only write the most basic of justifications. IE. He swung at me, so I tasered him. He moved in a threatening manner, so I took him to the ground. etc.

    Anyways, back to the topic. From the attitude of the woman from that short clip, I'd have to say she somewhat deserved the taser. Now would I have done the same thing? No probably not. I'm a cool, level headed guy and it takes a lot of crap for me to have to pull a weapon on you. That, and the fact that I'm built like a house (or so I've been told XD). He could have easily solved this without tasering her, but again, it'll be all about how he justifies it back at the station.
     
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    幕之内 一歩 said:
    Might I throw in my opinion as a military police officer?
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    Wow, you're living my dream.

    I keep putting more thought into this. It's pretty obvious that she used her elderly status as an advantage to try and slip away. I can't help to feel just a liiiittle sympathetic as well. I also see this as a lose/lose situation for the cop. If he did just let her go, the situation probably would still be controversial because he was giving her "special treatment" for being well, old.

    Um, I actually myself think it's hard to believe for someone to die of her age because of being tased... I admit, I don't know how tasers work, but I'm not buying it.
     
    I think it's disgracefull! He could have Done anything else but taized her!!
    Yeah she was being a cow but sheesh does he not have patience!!
     
    to be honest i think she deserved that, and a kick in the teeth... in a way, physically tackling her would have been a worse move, not because of injury, just that it would have been even stickier a situation to make physical contact with an "old lady". obviously it's still not a good idea, just in case. but that doesn't mean it was wrong, just bad judgement, however she did not die, so it doesn't matter.
     
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