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My first hail team (in shoddy, of course)

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    Abomasnow (M) @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Snow Warning
    EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
    Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Blizzard
    - Energy Ball
    - Focus Blast
    - Shadow Ball
    The ability to outurn Starmie and Gengar seems vey tempting to me, so I made it a scarfer.
    ---
    Lanturn (F) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Volt Absorb
    EVs: 40 HP/36 Spd/194 SAtk/240 SDef
    Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Surf
    - Thunderbolt
    - Aqua Ring
    - Blizzard
    Now immune to Thunder Wave, Lanturn blocks his fellow electric almost perfectly. Aqua Ring for some more HP.
    ---
    Dragonite (M) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Inner Focus
    EVs: 252 Atk/96 Spd/162 SAtk
    Mild nature (+SAtk, -Def)
    - Blizzard
    - Focus Punch
    - Dragon Claw
    - Aqua Tail
    Not sure about this one, but Focus Punch can suprise Blissey.
    ---
    Castform (F) @ Occa Berry
    Ability: Forecast
    EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
    Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Energy Ball
    - Blizzard
    - Thunderbolt
    - Thunder Wave
    I never understood how can people forget this little fellow when making any weather team. I mean, it was invented for them...
    ---
    Mamoswine (M) @ Choice Band
    Ability: Snow Cloak
    EVs: 66 HP/252 Atk/192 Spd
    Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Earthquake
    - Ice Fang
    - Ice Shard
    - Stone Edge
    How can one forget Manoswine? OHKOs electrics in ease, just watch out for Electrive's Cross Chop.
    ---
    Froslass (F) @ Choice Specs
    Ability: Snow Cloak
    EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
    Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Blizzard
    - Thunderbolt
    - Shadow Ball
    - Psychic
    It seemed to me that my team is to vunarble to fighting, so a ghost type would be obvious.
    ---
    I'm not really sure what to do with Dragonite, and how to take care of my weakness to statuses. Any help?
     
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    Abomasnow (M) @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Snow Warning
    EVs: 252Att/252Spd/6SpAtt
    Hasty nature
    - Blizzard
    - Wood Hammer
    - Earthquake
    - Focus Punch
    The ability to outurn Starmie and Gengar seems vey tempting to me, so I made it a scarfer.
    Standard ScarfSnow, generally works better
    ---
    Lanturn (F) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Volt Absorb
    EVs: 40 HP/36 Spd/194 SAtk/240 SDef
    Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Surf
    - Thunderbolt
    - Aqua Ring/Rest
    - Blizzard/Sleep Talk
    Now immune to Thunder Wave, Lanturn blocks his fellow electric almost perfectly. Aqua Ring for some more HP.
    Sleep Talk is better IMO
    ---
    Dragonite (M) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Inner Focus
    EVs: 252 Atk/64SpAtt/192Spd
    Mild nature (+SAtk, -Def)
    - Agility
    - Earthquake
    - Outrage
    - Fire Blast

    Not sure about this one, but Focus Punch can suprise Blissey.
    Dragonite doesnt do mixed sets well, smogon's agiliNite is the closest thing to one.
    ---
    Castform (F) @ Occa Berry
    Ability: Forecast
    EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
    Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Energy Ball
    - Blizzard
    - Thunderbolt
    - Thunder Wave
    I never understood how can people forget this little fellow when making any weather team. I mean, it was invented for them...

    People do not use it because of its pathetic stats, bin it.
    ---
    Mamoswine (M) @ Choice Band
    Ability: Snow Cloak
    EVs: 66 HP/252 Atk/192 Spd
    Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Earthquake
    - Ice Fang
    - Ice Shard
    - Stone Edge
    How can one forget Manoswine? OHKOs electrics in ease, just watch out for Electrive's Cross Chop.
    Standard, fair enough.
    ---
    Froslass (F) @ Choice Specs
    Ability: Snow Cloak
    EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
    Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Blizzard
    - Thunderbolt
    - Shadow Ball
    - Psychic
    It seemed to me that my team is to vunarble to fighting, so a ghost type would be obvious.
    Gdgd
    ---
    I'm not really sure what to do with Dragonite, and how to take care of my weakness to statuses. Any help?

    At the moment other weather teams rape you entirely, particularly sandstorm variants. Any competant stone edge user can potentially 6-0 you. The problem is your reliance on hail- It should benefit your team but not to the extent where you cannot funtion around it. First off, get rid of castform, it's a piece of garbage. Next get rid of either DNite or Mamoswine since both do the same job and just give you another ice weak and bring in a physical wall and a spinner, I'd recommend starmie for the spinner since mixape destrys you too.
     
    I replaced Dragonite's Dragon Pulse with Dragon Claw.
     
    That isnt enough. Like i said you have two physical sweepers but no wall or spinner on a team that has a 5/6 SR weak.
     
    Heatran runs you over, Scarfed ones completely destroy your entire team, but Life Orb'ed ones can use HP Ice against Nite.

    I'd suggest you use a Snorlax, Rest-Talk to be specific. Counters Heatran and can rest up from status.

    Snorlax @ Leftovers
    244 HP, 236 SpD, 28 Def
    Careful Nature
    THICK FAT (IMPORTANT)
    Earthquake
    Body Slam/Crunch
    Rest
    Sleep Talk

    I use Crunch and EQ to hit Ghosts who Levitate (Gengar) but Body Slam is worthy to use STAB paralysis move. ALWAYS, use EQ. It counters Heatran.
     
    That isnt enough. Like i said you have two physical sweepers but no wall or spinner on a team that has a 5/6 SR weak.
    Just less harsh words on Castform, it's a favorite of mine since R/S.
     
    Im sorry if I come accross as harsh, but im not going to dumb down my advice so you can use your favorites. There's no point taking a poke you like if its only going to last a single turn. Its a garbage poke, barely passable in UU let alone OU. You'll have to come to a comprimise, aka pick a better favorite. Its hard to hear I know, I myself was forced to pry my fingers off of ariados before i realised it sucks. But if you plan on at all succeeding at competetive battling you have to drop the dead weight.
     
    It's a shame your favorite isn't Vileplume. He's, you know, usable. Seriously.

    If you really want to use Castform, you'll need much more practice.
     
    Okay, I'l keep it to NU teams, but who should I use insted?
     
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