(P)Hail Team.

[Towlie]

Yea. This is my first hail team. I looked at other hail teams and thought they looked boring, so I changed the whole hail team up a bit. This team makes use of substitutes very well. The main reason I made this team was because I REALLY dislike Garchomp, because of the fact there really is no "safe switch" into Garchomp, and no matter how many Garchomp counters you have, they can all fail due to Sand Veil and Sandstorm. So, why not change the weather a bit?



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Abomasnow (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Snow Warning
EVs: 60 HP/64 Atk/132 Spd/252 SAtk
Hasty nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Blizzard
- Focus Punch
- Substitute
- Wood Hammer

AbomaBoah. TTar can pull this off, so this can too. My TTar wannabe. This thing is actually pretty neat. Set up a Substitute on something that will obviously switch against you, then hit the switch accordingly. Blissey also sees Blizzard then likes to switch in, only to get a faceful of Focus Punch. I lead with Mismagius over this.

On a side note, this is like the ugliest pokemon in the game. Why couldn't gamefreak make a cooler looking hailer?

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Mamoswine (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Snow Cloak
EVs: 172 HP/252 Atk/84 Def
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Substitute
- Curse
- Ice Shard

If you thought Abomasnow was neat, this guy is even cooler. He's my Garchomp wannabe. Substitute up until they miss from Snow Cloak!!111. Not really. I use my Substitutes better than that. 172 Hp gives him 404 Hp. This guy loves those ever so common Bronzong switch ins. Substitute on the switch, and Curse away. It takes Bronzong two hits to break one Sub with Gyro Ball after only one Curse. For a fun fact, Mamoswine STILL outspeeds Bronzong after 3 Curses. If this thing gets a couple of Curses in, this thing will destroy teams. And no, Bronzong doesn't wall this. After 3 Curses, (If Bronzong decides to stay in that long) Ice Shard does 33%~ to Bronzong, while Bronzong is still trying to break my sub. I love this guy.


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Mismagius (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 116 HP/252 Spd/140 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Shadow Ball
- Substitute
- Calm Mind
- Hidden Power [Fighting]

Needed a fighting resist, and also a ground resist. Oh snap, this is both. Pretty standard Mismagius. Actually, this is the standard. I was thinking of running something wacky, but I just needed some type coverage. He loves it when Blisseys try to take him on.


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Heatran (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Rash nature (+SAtk, -SDef)
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- Hidden Power [Electric]
- Dragon Pulse

The mandatory Flash Fire dude on a hail team. Nature should be modest. I was thinking about putting Explosion on there, that's why it's Rash. Hidden Power Electric is for Gyaras, as I lack a solid Gyara counter on my team. Who knows, I may even surprise one for the kill. The rest is standard. Take a fire attack and kill. Blah blah. You guys know what happens.

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Tentacruel (M) @ Black Sludge
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 204 HP/36 Spd/96 SAtk/172 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Blizzard
- Toxic Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Surf

Black Sludge is cooler than Leftovers. Abuse Blizzard in the hail. Add some secondary damage with Toxic Spikes. Also Spins away the ever so devastating Stealth Rocks on a hail team. I was too lazy to look up my EV spread for Tentacruel, so I just copied the standard spread, which will likely be changing soon once I stop being lazy.


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Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 196 HP/252 Def/60 SAtk
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Seismic Toss
- Wish
- Protect
- Flamethrower

I needed a Wisher. This will likely be changing to Clefable, as I just thought of adding Clefable while I was posting this team. xD This is okay for now though. Also, sorry for posting a team with two of the ugliest pokemon in the game in it.

 

[flamehaze94]

Jeesh, no.
You haven't seen ugly unless you've seen Spinda.

CBGyara is one tricky customer, but, it's not bad. Cool team

 

[Anti]

Nice team...4 pokemon weak to fighting but that is expected on a hail team.

If you wanta cheap thrill, you can use Dusknoir or Gengar as your fighting resist and run CB sets with Focus Punch action. Horribly novelty but kinda fun :P

Honestly not many weaknesses as long as you don't totally suck at predicting and we both know you can predict ;)

 

[Syaoran]

I've been over this but I'll say it again.. leading with Mismagius isn't the smartest thing to do. Yeah, Weavile leads and Tyranitar leads slaughter you. I actually support -not- leading with Abomasnow, but Mismagius is actually a worse lead, especially the sub set.

-Def on Abomasnow will take away from his ability to switch in easier, and Wish doesn't cut it. The -Spd set is usually better.

Substitute and Curse on Mamo is overkill.. literally. Not only you're making him slower, he's also cutting down his HP by 25% AFTER taking a hit. Not very good on a pokemon that is vulnerable to so many attack types.

 

[Towlie]

That Mamo won so many games alone. Leftovers helps out a lot, especially after 1 Curse, it normally takes two physical hits to break a Sub. So thats +16% from Leftovers. After 1 Curse, a +2 Atk Snorlax couldn't even break the Sub with Body Slam.

I did switch Blissey for Clefable to test out. It works a bit better than Blissey with Blizzard/Thunderbolt/Calm Mind/Softboiled, but I may switch switch out for Swampert, since I have nothing that can safely switch into Rock attacks. (Cough TTar Stone Edge cough xD ) Plus Swampert can Blizzard abuse, as well as set up Rocks. Can also make a nice lead.

As for Abomasnow, -Spd Nature Kills Abomasnow. That EV spread outspeeds Suicune by 1 point, which it 2HKOs with Wood Hammer. It also outspeeds most TTars. Even with +Def, Abomasnow isn't going to take a Physical hit anytime soon.

 

[Syaoran]

Yea but with -Def it's not going to take a physical hit at all. And I really doubt a +2 Atk Snorlax won't break a +1 Curse Mamo's sub. And it's +12.5% from leftovers after 2 turns.

 

[Towlie]

Abomasnow isn't meant to take a hit. There's no chance of it surviving a Stone Edge, except maybe from a Shuckle.

It may have been 2 Curses, but still, Mamoswine's defense isn't exactly bad. That EV spread gives 217 Defense, which is 434 after 2 Curses under 101 Subs. Can't say I know the Snorlax's EV spread, but it didn't break the sub. It was Rayfordjames Snorlax.

Changes to team:

Heatran now leads.
Blissey has been replaced with Jirachi.

 

[flamehaze94]

My young lad, let me introduce you to my personal EV spread and nature I've come up with for MixYeti, that would be 252HP / 92Def / 40SpAtk / 92SpDef / 32Spd @ Quiet nature.

69.01% - 81.25% from max attack Adamant Gyarados Stone Edge

76.56% - 90.10% from max attack Adamant CB Dugtrio Stone Edge

You say something about not surviving any Stone Edges?

This also outspeeds Blissey, and switches into CM boosted Ice Beams from the likes of Suicune and Slowbro with ease. The 40SpAtk EVs give it an extra 2 stat points, and it 2HKOs every Skarmory with Blizzard.

 

[Walrein]

Great! But are you sure Abomasnow needs so much speed? It's a subpuncher...

 

[Towlie]

Cool, I can survive a Stone Edge from Gyara, but what can I do to it? Blizzard for a 2HKO if lucky. Also neat that I can survive a nonstab Stone Edge for an 80 base attack pokemon. So what's the calcs for a STABed Stone Edge?

Also neat EV spread. Switch into Blissey because I outspeed it, and then do what? It's all special. The EV spread I have there doesn't OHKO Blissey. Yea, it 2HKOs skarm with my spread too. Sadly, with your spread, it gets outsped and will get 2HKOed by Brave Bird.

 

[Syaoran]

And Brave Bird will kill you if you carry a -Def nature..

 

[flamehaze94]

Cool, I can survive a Stone Edge from Gyara, but what can I do to it? Blizzard for a 2HKO if lucky. Also neat that I can survive a nonstab Stone Edge for an 80 base attack pokemon. So what's the calcs for a STABed Stone Edge?

You implied that it cannot survive any Stone Edges. I simply responded to what was stated Saying to run calcs for STABed Stone Edges is like asking for calcs on STAB Close Combat for Blissey.

Also neat EV spread. Switch into Blissey because I outspeed it, and then do what? It's all special. The EV spread I have there doesn't OHKO Blissey. Yea, it 2HKOs skarm with my spread too. Sadly, with your spread, it gets outsped and will get 2HKOed by Brave Bird.

Focus Punch + Wood Hammer + Blizzard + Sub/Leech Seed mean anything to you?

To have mouth, you must first know the game.

 

[Towlie]

Typically, you don't stay in vs a Skarmory, unless it's for the kill.

Yes, I don't know how to play the game flamehaze. I pay someone else to get me top 100 in shoddy. You caught me. And as for your abomasnow set, you mean the same exact set I'm running? And just so you know, Focus Punch doesn't OHKO blissey.

And to be honest, I don't get the whole defensive spread with mixed attacking set.

 

[flamehaze94]

Typically, you don't stay in vs a Skarmory, unless it's for the kill.

You can say the same for Skarmory.

Yes, I don't know how to play the game flamehaze. I pay someone else to get me top 100 in shoddy. You caught me. And as for your abomasnow set, you mean the same exact set I'm running? And just so you know, Focus Punch doesn't OHKO blissey.

I find Leech Seed pretty necessary in Mix attacking sets, and with that, Sub, Focus Punch, and Snow Warning, you easily beat Blissey one-on-one, unless it carries Flamethrower for some reason.

And to be honest, I don't get the whole defensive spread with mixed attacking set.

Perhaps, but you're talking to a guy who makes bulky and stall teams for a living. Do what you wish.

Also...


I LUFF YOU!!!!!!!!

;D

 

[Towlie]

Why wouldn't skarm stay in?

Anything with Leech Seed beats blissey.

Defensive spread on a mixed attacking set is pointless. You won't do the damage you need, and according to your calculations above, you'll still get crippled by stone edges and such. Stealth Rock up, and those Stone Edges are OHKOs.

And also, you're too young to "luff" anything.

 

[flamehaze94]

Why wouldn't skarm stay in?

Two can play it that game, name me one reason why it SHOULD stay in.

Anything with Leech Seed beats blissey.

You asked what it can do to Blissey, and I promptly answered that question. Short term memory, much?

Defensive spread on a mixed attacking set is pointless. You won't do the damage you need, and according to your calculations above, you'll still get crippled by stone edges and such. Stealth Rock up, and those Stone Edges are OHKOs.

Ahahaha, perhaps the most absurd thing you've said all day!

And also, you're too young to "luff" anything.

And also, keep up the illiteracy, it's quite entertaining.

You can come back when you learn how to play properly.

 

[Towlie]

Amazing how all of your statements are just sad attempts to flame me. I've been responding in simple questions and such, while you're just saying "learn to play" and all. You have quite some mouth for a 13 year old. It may be timeout time for you.

But anyways, why wouldn't Skarm stay in at 100%? Abomasnow can't do anything to it, other than hit it with a Blizzard.

Yes, so absurd that 76%+25% = 101%.

I'm not sure where you see the illiteracy, but if you could kindly point me out to where I have been illiterate, that'd be great.

I'm also unsure of why you keep coming back to the same kind of statements saying that I don't know how to play. If I recall, I've never played you before, so who are you to judge?

 

[Anti]

*random comic relief comment*

Oh noes!

Well, my main beef is the Dugtrio problemo. Blissey, Tentacruel, and Heatran are totally torched (Duggy can come in on HP Electric, otherwise Heatran is fine though) and with some help from SR will beat Abomasnow with Stone Edge.

From what I know you're both competent players :0

 

[Towlie]

CB/CS Dugtrios haven't been a problem, but actually Life Orb Dugtrio swept me before. That was the first time I saw a Life Orb Duggy though, and was surprised on how much damage it did.
xD

 

[flamehaze94]

Amazing how all of your statements are just sad attempts to flame me. I've been responding in simple questions and such, while you're just saying "learn to play" and all. You have quite some mouth for a 13 year old. It may be timeout time for you.

For the sake of arguement, do you remember what I first said? "To have mouth, you must first know the game"?

But anyways, why wouldn't Skarm stay in at 100%? Abomasnow can't do anything to it, other than hit it with a Blizzard.

93.71% - 110.18% from Timid Specs Abomasnow, seeing as how Leftovers recover only occurs after Hail damage, Skarmory is beat.

Yes, so absurd that 76%+25% = 101%.

I'm not sure where you see the illiteracy, but if you could kindly point me out to where I have been illiterate, that'd be great.

M'dear, please open your eyes and have a look

I'm also unsure of why you keep coming back to the same kind of statements saying that I don't know how to play. If I recall, I've never played you before, so who are you to judge?

Perhaps saying the same thing multiple times is the amount of times it takes to drill it into your head.

It takes more than just battling to be registered as a "good" player. Anyway, I'm about done here, if you wish to argue amongst yourself some more, feel free to do so.