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Pokémon Diamond and Pearl: Battle Dimension Earns Double-Digit Gains
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Its percentage of viewers went up by double-digits, not the ratings. If the ratings went up by that much, the anime would be airing for most of the day everyday. :o
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I would not be celebrating just yet Diamond and Pearl fans, this could only be because of Platinum's release and the show could see a loss in viewers over the next month or so. And for attracting older viewers it would require lots of things introduced in both the Diamond and Pearl and Advanced Generation eras to be undone and the series to become less happy-go-lucky and regain some of the drama and edginess it used to have back in the original generation. Another thing which could not hurt is to reunite the original three main characters on a permanent basis given how the whole "random girl appears, random girl's bike gets fried by Pikachu, random girl gets into contests, random girl is shelved" formula is one of the most common complaints about the show as it exists today.
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So, how is bringing the original characters back change anything? It would get incredibly stale seeing the same people in every episode. Not to mention, Misty and May have their own lives which doesn't include following Ash around for the rest of their lives.
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It's good to hear Pokemon trying to earn more fans. The anime has been flying under the radar for a while now...
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What "drama and edginess" did Kanto/Orange/Johto have? It's far more likely that your waxing nostalgic and putting them on a pedastal rather than actually viewing them for what they are.
Trust me, I grew up with those episodes. They aren't all that great. Fandom seems to agree that Johto is full of fillers, but I'd argue that Kanto is much worse.
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Really? Pokémon Diamond and Pearl: Battle Dimension has been the highest rated show on Cartoon Network's Saturday morning block for a long time now. Even before Platium was announced for an English release.
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You know, the exact same thing can be said about people talking about AG and DP. And anyways, I watched the Kanto saga, and I didn't even get nostalgic about it. I did feel they were legitimately the best. Of course, even IF I did feel nostalgic about it, I'd prefer that than, you know, pulling a newspaper-ignorant kid from opus and forgetting about it despite having watched it and had it been prevalent.
So, umm, question. If Kanto was worse than Johto, wouldn't that mean that the rest of the anime, you know, wouldn't go beyond Season 1, or even halfway through? I mean, Kanto was what started Pokemon in the first place. Saying it's worse than Johto is like saying the anime in itself is terrible, since Season 1 is what started the anime in the first place. Take it out, and you won't even have a show.
And don't try to accuse me of being nostalgic about Season 1. I watched Season 1 fairly recently (second time overall, first time in roughly nine years) on June, my opinion of it was close to it was back then, so I'm DEFINITELY not being nostalgic when I say it was a very good season. I think Nickstr also has this experience as well.
Well, at least it would get less repetitive. Besides, Brock's still traveling with him, and heck, technically speaking, even JJM is traveling with him. In order for it to not get incredibly stale, there should not be running gags, AND they need to replace all the characters every single time.
And anyways, he definitely knows what he is talking about, seeing how he had looked through both the American and Japanese ratings of the original series, AG, and DP, had to analyze their overall ratings (or in the case of DP, the ratings up to that point), and determined, quite logically, what their true popularity and worthyness was. He also checked the ratings on Pokeani, as well.
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Does this really matter? The series has been one of the highest rated shows on the block for almost a year now and is doing great. Also, Cartoon Network already has announced that it would return at its Upfront in March.
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You can't wax nostalgic on something that's happened so recently, or currently happening in the case of D/P.
There's a difference in favoring one saga over the other vs thinking one saga is just this drastic epitome of kids' anime.
People are allowed to have their opinions. But I don't see the "drama and edigness" that the guy I quoted sees in Kanto. It's similar to the false belief that the raw version of the anime is super mature with tons of sexual themes and gory violence.
I don't see what any of the sagas have that makes any of them SO much better than the others. Relatively, they've held the quality quite consistently.
What does that even mean? I said I personally think Kanto was worse than Johto. And no, just because I didn't like it doesn't mean it did stop, or should've stopped, or could've stopped, since it clearly didn't.
Okay.
No..it's like saying I enjoyed Kanto less than Johto. That's it. It doesn't mean everything is now bound to suck. I'd argue that since I see Kanto as the worst, then everything else is an IMPROVEMENT, which is something any creator should strive for.
You're likely the exception to the rule. I'd also argue you're a bit closer to the age than I am. There's very few kids' shows that I grew up with that did well with the test of time. Good for you that you enjoy it. I simply don't, for a variety of reasons.
Pokemon will always have running gags. It's a stape of kids' television.
We've discussed this before. Someone said the ratings are horrible, and it turns out, it's "barely" in the top 10 animes over in Japan right now, and the dub is doing very well on Cartoon Network. It's a success, regardless of how many Internet Fans (TM) hate it.
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It would NOT get incredibly stale, most shows running longer than Pokemon which have had the same main cast since episode 1 are doing far better than Pokemon is now. Switching the characters back would be a good thing since Misty is already very well established and has a massive fan base worldwide, larger than May actually. Introducing new main characters is a HUGE risk because you are essentially starting from zero and trying to build up and so far with Pokemon they have been failing miserably especially since May's introduction caused a significant number of people who were once loyal Pokemon fans to be alienated and also Tracey was not too well absorbed. My point there is bringing the original characters back will actually bring viewers back, no question about it. And can you give me an EXACT percentage of people in the US who are watching the Diamond and Pearl dub on any given week rather than just vague figures? The show does not even rank for the most part anymore in Japan, just for contest and battle episodes and then it fades into obscurity if you go by the rankings.
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Of course I can't. These are Nielsen ratings that we're talking about. Not everyone has a Nielsen Box so they won't be counted.
I can show you an archive thread of weekly ratings though. Here is from 1/6/09 to today. Here is from 8/27/08 - 1/6/09. Here is from 9/12/07 - 8/27/08. It's not that much though.
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Most shows aren't Pokemon. Just because there are other shows airing doesn't mean the same should also go for Pokemon. It's pretty common in kids' shows to switch characters up. It's even more common when that show is promoting a franchise. You can go ahead and list a bunch of shows, but I'll probably answer by pointing out how they're drastically different from Pokemon.
The decisions for cast are probably made by marketing people who are much smarter than you or I, working with focus groups, taking surveys, etc... They would put Misty back in the show tomorrow if Internet Fan outrage translated into real $$$. They would kick Pikachu off the show if some other Pokemon was found out to be more popular. But despite the massive Internet Fan rage that's Pro-Misty and Pro-killing Pikachu and Anti-Ash and Anti-Pokemon, they've yet to do either.
That doesn't exclude her from making guest appearances, which would mainly be catering to the few fans still around that were there to watch her in the original trio/attempting some continuity. It also doesn't help that she isn't a part of the current gen.
**But randomspot555, Brock/Officer Jenny/COTD isn't part of the current gen either**
That's true. But those characters are all second fiddle to Ash and Dawn. They can do whatever they want, but it seems pretty certain that the main characters are going to stick close to the boy/girl avatars of the game.
Unless that new character comes from the game you're promoting.
Big question about it. Those former fans are all, at least 18 by now. More than a few are probably in their 20s. I don't see the 18+ crowd coming back to watch Pokemon, a kid's show, regardless of what happens with the cast.
Those don't exist for any show in the modern television industry.
They also arent "vague figures." The Nielsen system is a scentific process meant to accurately show how many people are watching [insert show/network here]. Similar to how a poll can be taken of 100 people for a population of 1,000.
Source?
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Even if the new character comes from a game, its a risk. The writers will mess them up severely some how, it happened to May and Dawn and in a way these fandom wars can result in a loss of $$$ if enough people boycott the video games, TV show, and other things as well but if they listen to those people who are complaining it can and will translate into more $$$ because more people would be watching the TV show and buying the products including the DVD sets for the current part of the show. Those figures are vague, in fact in Japan there are exact percentages for the number of people watching a given show on any given week which leads me to this https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-04-16/japanese-anime-tv-ranking-april-6-12 the current ANN anime rankings which are sourced from a TV research firm called Video Research in Japan which is the equivalent of A.C Neilson here in the US. Those figures show exactly what percentage of Japan's population is watching a show while the US ones are quite vague unless the exact number of people watching the show is listed when normaly it is not. Notice on that chart that PocketMonsters: Diamond and Pearl is conspicuously absent despite its slot as a primetime show in most parts of Japan and it DID air that week. The Pokemon anime has the potential to do as well as Doraemon or Saze-san which consistently are among the most popular shows in Japan when they air given its number of fans but because the writers are not listening to viewer complaints/criticizims it does not appeal to as many people as it used to and thus could be overshadowed in the near future by something else.
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Just because you don't like the anime or outgrew it doesn't mean "the writers will mess them up severely somehow."
With D/P selling 15 million copeis and Platinum breaking sales records, the box office releases in Japan being smash successes, and the good ratings it's getting as posted in the thread, it's safe to say that anybody boycotting Pokemon is not really that much of a concern.
On that note, anybody actually boycotting Pokemon is pretty much breaking their boycott whenever they visit a fan site. When you boycott something, you don't associate with it at all. And these sites serve to promote (aspects of) the franchise. Visting here is being part of something one s supposedly boycotting.
I can't "give up" Facebook by starting a "Let's boycott Facebook" club on Facebook.
They aren't vague. Just becasue you don't know how the Nielsan ratings systems works doesn't invalidate the facts it presents. Not everyone in the US has a Nielsen box, but they're designed based on proportional representation to get pretty precise figures.
That's Japan. I don't know how they do ratings in Japan. Nielsen ratings are what's used in the United States.
And the week after, it's listed. As is the week before. And the week before that. And then it appears again on March 5's article.
If the creators of any franchise listened to the endless whining on Internet Fan sites, they'd never get anything done. You've also yet to tell me how this mythical audience of 18+ would come flocking back to a kids' show if basically the Kanto cast were re-instated.