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[underworldhades]

what are the best natures and movesets for the following;

mewtwo
milotic
latios
latias
metagross

you could also post the stats and stuff of your best poke'mon

 

[husk1442]

what are the best natures and movesets for the following;

mewtwo
milotic
latios
latias
metagross

you could also post the stats and stuff of your best poke'mon

Mewtwo Timid(+Spd,-Atk)
~Calm Mind
~Psychic
~Ice Beam
~Recover

Milotic Bold(+Def,-Atk)
~Hypnosis
~Surf
~Ice Beam
~Recover

Latios Modest(+SpAtk,-Atk)
~Dragon Claw
~Ice Beam
~Hidden power : Fire
~Thunder Bolt

Latias Modest (+SpAtk,-Atk)
~Substitute
~ThunderBolt
~Ice Beam
~Dragon Claw

Metagross Adamant(+Atk,-SpAtk)
~Agility
~Meteor MAsh
~Earthquake
~Sludge Bomb/Explosion

 

[Alter Ego]

I'm not much into legendary Pok?mon (ordinary ones have so much more potential) so I'll just focus on the ones I know:

Milotic:
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Bold (-Attack, +Defense) or Modest (-Attack, +Sp. Attack)
Ice Beam
Surf
Mirror Coat (Practically no special attack can take down Milotic with one hit, and counter attacks are lethal against strong opponents (2x the damage recieved))
Recover (Because you take a lot of damage when using Mirror Coat in succession)

Metagross:
Adamant (+Attack. -Sp. Attack)
Item: Leftovers or Scope Lens
Agility (Because Metagross is really slow)
Shadow Ball (Together with Brick Break this allows you to bypass any resistances)
Brick Break
Meteor Mash/Earthquake/Explosion (To deal some heavier damage, Explosion is great when combined with Agility)

 

[Smarties-chan]

I would say Milotic nature Calm or Modest and the same moveset Alter Ego (my bro) suggested and for Metagross
Any nature that raises speed or attack
Agility
Shadowball
Brickbreak/Earthquake
Meteor Mash/Explosion.

 

[Alter Ego]

I would say Milotic nature Calm or Modest and the same moveset Alter Ego (my bro) suggested and for Metagross
Any nature that raises speed or attack
Agility
Shadowball
Brickbreak/Earthquake
Meteor Mash/Explosion.

So, basically the same as mine then?

By the way, I've come up with a potential moveset for a Physical Sweeper Latios:

Nature:Adamant (-Sp. Attack, +Attack) or Jolly (-Sp. Attack, +Speed)
Item:Leftovers
Shadow Ball
Hidden Power:Fighting
Earthquake
Dragon Dance

Buff up at a suitable spot and let the carnage begin.

 

[orangekows]

Mewtwo Timid(+Spd,-Atk)
~Calm Mind
~Psychic
~Ice Beam
~Recover

Milotic Bold(+Def,-Atk)
~Hypnosis
~Surf
~Ice Beam
~Recover

Latios Modest(+SpAtk,-Atk)
~Dragon Claw
~Ice Beam
~Hidden power : Fire
~Thunder Bolt

Latias Modest (+SpAtk,-Atk)
~Substitute
~ThunderBolt
~Ice Beam
~Dragon Claw

Metagross Adamant(+Atk,-SpAtk)
~Agility
~Meteor MAsh
~Earthquake
~Sludge Bomb/Explosion

no calm mind on lati@s? give them calm mind, thunderbolt, dragon claw recover

 

[husk1442]

I like going all out with latios, since he has more SpAtk to start with

BTW if you go with Dragon Claw you need HP: fire

 

[orangekows]

I like going all out with latios, since he has more SpAtk to start with

BTW if you go with Dragon Claw you need HP: fire

good point. flameclaw is just as good as boltbeam. i thought it could learn flamethrower though. most non-uber dragons can learn flamethrower/fire blast (not kingdra) so why cant lati@s? *cries*

 

[Ham]

I like going all out with latios, since he has more SpAtk to start with

BTW if you go with Dragon Claw you need HP: fire

1) Latais can get more CMs off, making it's Sp.atk higher.

2) you don't. I'd go with STAB instead of neutural effectiveness.

3) I'd go with T-bolt/Ice Beam.

 

[husk1442]

if you want to act cool and professional please get your facts right

1) Latais can get more CMs off, making it's Sp.atk higher.

Which is why I recommended Calm Mind for Latias and blatant attacking for Latios.

2) you don't. I'd go with STAB instead of neutural effectiveness.

STAB means Dragon Claw, right? Which should be paired with HP:Fire

3) I'd go with T-bolt/Ice Beam.

I thought "you'd go with STAB"

Seriously read before you post

 

[Alter Ego]

There is a slight hitch with an all-out Latios: Wobbuffet. It has 500+ HP and is very unlikely to faint from a single attack, leaving it a chance to strike back with Mirror Coat (Something I seriously doubt Latios could withstand) or use Destiny Bond. It's Shadow Tag ability prevents withdrawal too so it might be a good idea to replace either Thunderbolt or Ice Beam with Recover or Calm Mind. Just a thought...

 

[husk1442]

if wobbuffet is the only problem I don't see why you wouldn't use it

esp. if it can encore you calm minds and switch to the appropriate counter

also, wobbuffet will be hit hard on the switch and then hit hard again
so even if latios dies to a mirror coat wobba is also finished

 

[Alter Ego]

I see your point, but:

In addition to Wobbufet I would say Milotic (It sure withstood a Kyogre's Thunder) or Svampert would also be able to Mirror Coat good ol' Latios to oblivion. Also, Wobbuffet wouldn't be hit on the switch if the Pok?mon that was switched in would fight to the death. Besides, I've used a Wobbuffet before (until I found out that it was branded 'Uber') and I seriously doubt that an unbuffed Latios could deal much more than 300 damage on one go without a critical hit (At least none of them did against me). This would leave Wobbuffet with over 200 HP which (Paired with Leftovers, or even better: A wish from another Pok?mon) could get it back on its feet pretty quick.

 

[Ham]

2) you don't. I'd go with STAB instead of neutural effectiveness.

STAB means Dragon Claw, right? Which should be paired with HP:Fire

Psychic, actually.

Super Effective HP fire BARELY does more than Psychic on the same target. like 2% of HP more.

3) I'd go with T-bolt/Ice Beam.

I thought "you'd go with STAB"

mixing subjects.

if you are using Dragon Claw, I'd pair it with psychic. but in general, I'd use Boltbeam.

I just wasn't being clear, sorry 'bout that.

 

[Ice demon]

dragon claw + HP fire gives absolute type coverage.
ie nothing resists it.

 

[Datriot]

My best Pokemon!
Mewtwo
LV: 100
HP:397
Attack:281
Defence:278
Speed:297
Sp. Attack: 386
Sp. Defence:289

PS: I did use calcium and other stat-raising itmes.

Moveset:
Water Pulse
Recover
Psychic
Swift

 

[husk1442]

What good is psychic, its not helping you hit anything you were NVE against, with Dragon Claw. Yes its SE against fighting types and poison types which are known to sport low special defenses (save the hitmon's who have low HP).

and can't everyone who does't guaranteed ohko something be 'countered' or 'mirror coated'

anyway if it does, say, 300 on the switch then when it goes first on the next turn it will K.O. Wobbuffet. O rly wish support, well if you wish support your wobbuffet someone will lose their latios and then you will lose your wobbuffet on the consequent turn which ruins your whole strategy. =/

 

[Kijin]

My best Pokemon!
Mewtwo
LV: 100
HP:397
Attack:281
Defence:278
Speed:297
Sp. Attack: 386
Sp. Defence:289

PS: I did use calcium and other stat-raising itmes.

Moveset:
Water Pulse
Recover
Psychic
Swift

I'd retry that... your Special attack and Speed are fairly (read as: very) low for a Mewtwo. W/ Mewtwo, you want to have as much speed and special attack as humanly possible. Also- Water Pulse? Swift? QTF?

 

[Charizard_Fire_God]

Tch. Latias is better because she can get defensive roles in battles an' anyways I think annoyers kinda pwn sweepers.

 

[Alter Ego]

and can't everyone who does't guaranteed ohko something be 'countered' or 'mirror coated'

Nope, indirect attacks (e.g. Metronome, Sandstorm, Hail, Leech Seed, Doom Desire and Future Sight) can't be countered, Ghost types are immune to Counter, Dark types are immune to Mirror Coat, Sableye is consequently immune to all counter attacks, and status attacks can't be countered by Wobbuffet.

anyway if it does, say, 300 on the switch then when it goes first on the next turn it will K.O. Wobbuffet. O rly wish support, well if you wish support your wobbuffet someone will lose their latios and then you will lose your wobbuffet on the consequent turn which ruins your whole strategy. =/

My point was that if the pok?mon before Wobbuffet would fight until it was KOd then Latios wouldn't get the free attack from a switch in (Since such an event doesn't occur), Wobbuffet would survive Latios' next attack (Which it would have to make, since it can't retreat because of Shadow Tag and lacks non-damaging moves) and be able to Mirror Coat it which would inevitably lead to Latios getting knocked out. At this point, another pok?mon (Say, Umbreon for instance) is switched in and makes a wish, and switches out, if the opponent uses a Fighting move (Which would be logical since Umbreon is a dark type) then Wobbuffet would easily survive the attack and recieve 250+ HP from Wish, which would be sufficient to knock out the current opponent. A Wobbuffet with sufficient Speed could then D-Bond the next pok?mon and would have successfully KOed half the party (A fairly good achievement imo).

All I'm saying is, there's a counter for every build.