Rush/Blast and Monarch Control

[DaKing23]

Tributes: 7
2x Zaborg
2x Thestalos
2x Cyber Dragon
1x Airknight Parshath

1-4: 16
3x Hydrogeddon
2x Dark Scorpion -Meanae The Thorn
2x Don Zaloog
2x Mystic Tomato
1x Sangan
1x Exiled Force
1x Treeborn Frog
1x D.D. Assailant
1x Magician of Faith
1x Breaker the Magical Warrior
1x D.D. Warrior Lady

Spells: 16
2x Rush Recklessly
2x Soul Exchange
2x Reinforcements of the Army
1x Nobleman of Crossout
1x Graceful Charity
1x Premature Burial
1x Last Will
1x Smashing Ground
1x Heavy Storm
1x Brain Control
1x Mystical Space Typhoon
1x Pot of Avarice
1x Book of Moon

Traps: 6
2x Blast with Chain
1x Ring of Destruction
1x Sakuretsu Armor
1x Torrential Tribute
1x Call of the Haunted

Total: 45

Let me defend a 45 card deck. The more cards I play the less the chance I have 2 Hydrogeddon, 2 Tomatos and 2 Dark Scorpions in my hand at one time.

 

[Forci Stikane]

Mobius > Thestalos.

-2 Thestalos
+2 Mobius

I'm also curious of the idea behind Meanae--since it can only hunt itself in here it's a dead draw when Tomatoes should be hunting themselves or Don. I'd suggest dropping them for a third Tomato and leaving it at 44.

-2 Meanae
+1 Tomato

 

[DaKing23]

Meane creates card advantage... because I can search the graveyard and deck for them

So I can discard one from say Charity... set one... then if it is attacked and does damage I get the one from the grave and its like a cycle... I usually will have one in my hand and its just some advantage

 

[Zaikiro]

Meane cannot search Don Zaloog o_o;

If I was you, I would have just built this over the Monarh deck you made with the Dark Coffins.

 

[DaKing23]

I know it cant search Don... I dont want it to... Meanae searches itself

 

[Frostweaver]

Sadly, Meanae "advantage engine" belongs to the time of the PACMAN days, where one goes advantage number counting crazy to the obsessive point that the player only cares about getting the +1, but unaware of what that +1 can do.

Yeah yeah Meanae is "advantage" by fetching itself, but so what? =(
It's not like it fetches itself AND special summon it to the field immediately.

Keep the deck at the 40-42 max mark... Blah blah 2 hydroggedons etc etc. Yeah possible, but the chance of not drawing even oen of them also increases...

I (will sadly) say Thestalos is equal to or even greater than Mobius. Not that its effect is definitely stellar compare to Mobius, but we're right now chain-crazy. Mirror Force/the uncommon Sakuretsu Armors are almost only thing Mobius can truly destroy without being killed upon summoning...

Meh... Not too keen on this soul exchange teched with Blast with Chain... Blast is hardly beneifical even though ST removal is at an all time low, just because Blast's effect doesn't go off if the equiped monster gets killed by Exiled/Zaborg. However, it is a good attempt to take advantage of the shift in the metagame's "0 Mobius" state.

 

[DaKing23]

Blast with Chain + Rush + Don/Hydro/Airknight/Meanae=Great Tech

CYber Dragon attack Hyrdroggedon... I Rush Hydrogeddon... Cyber Dragon dies I get another Hydrogeddon

 

[Frostweaver]

Why don't we just put in MORE rush instead of rush with Blast with Chain then o_o;;;

The problem is that Blast with Chain's only pro compare to Rush is that it's permanent (since its 2nd effect is barely ever going to get activated, let's ignore it.) Hydroggedon with 500 more is only tie with Cyber Dragon, so the original Hydroggedon will have to suicide the Cyber Dragon. Rush ensures that both Hydroggedon are alive. Airknight can't beat Zaborg with only 500 bonus. Don gets run over by Cyber Dragon by either, but rush makes it suicide at least.

The only time that this deck can really use the long lasting 500 boost is against Macrocosmo's 1800 Survivors... But usually Survivors will get launched off for monarch tributes anyway.

Yes I know what Blast can do, but most monsters in this deck needs the 200 difference too much. The 500 boost only allows the monsters to suicide, and that's not really using Blast with Chain's permanent trap status very effectively.

(This meta's attack 'bench mark':
1400: recruiters, don zaloog
1600: hydroggedon, banisher
2100: cyber dragon
2400: monarchs, jinzo

the 500 boost for this deck somehow likes to run into the benchmarks, but not above it. Might as well Rush only, instead of both)

I still can't see what the heck is Meanae suppose to accomplish. It fetches a copy of itself, but what can more copy of itself exactly accomplish. I'll rather get spy or nimble momonga if they're suppose to aid in tribute problems in case soul exchange is not available. Even back when we're +1 crazy, people still add in one Cliff to make Meanae capable of "getting something useful."

Why do we use the recruiters we know today instead of say, troop dragon? Troop Dragon replaces itself too. But, we don't use it because it can't search anything that's useful as it only searches itself. Spy won't really be used at all if it doesn't special summon to the field immediately...Meanae searches relatively useless cards, and it isn't even special summon to the field.

(Extreme pity how Meanae cannot fetch Don... she honestly should be able to. It makes a lot of sense to me...)

 

[DaKing23]

she is a 1000/1800 with the ability to add hand advantage and have a never ending cycle of her...

What is with the hate trying to play something a little different than a GK Spy?

 

[MegaDitto]

I know it cant search Don... I dont want it to... Meanae searches itself

With the amount of tributes you have Grevekeepers Spy would have been a better choice.

Have you tested the deck yet?

I see the use of the deck but it shows a bit too much effort.

 

[DaKing23]

With the amount of tributes you have Grevekeepers Spy would have been a better choice.

Have you tested the deck yet?

I see the use of the deck but it shows a bit too much effort.

Well.. the deck I used Saturday was slightly different... it had 2 Mobuis... one less Zaborg and no Airknights

and it won the tourney

 

[MegaDitto]

Also one thing that does not mix with the deck is Soul Exchange and Rush Recklessy.

 

[DaKing23]

Also one thing that does not mix with the deck is Soul Exchange and Rush Recklessy.

Why would you say that?

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[Forci Stikane]

Why would you say that?

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I'm guessing it's because Soul Exchange causes you not to be able to attack, which is half of the point of Rush.

Frostweaver: Don't forget, Mobius can activate Blast's second effect, creating possibility for a 2400/3100 direct smack (part of my mentality behind suggesting it).

 

[DaKing23]

Umm... Blast's point is to activate when the oppoentn attacks

 

[Frostweaver]

Frostweaver: Don't forget, Mobius can activate Blast's second effect, creating possibility for a 2400/3100 direct smack (part of my mentality behind suggesting it).

Problem is, we have to activate it as an equip card first before that effect goes through. So, we'll need a living monster on our side of the field with Blast activated, then also another monster (or a card that allows us to steal one) so we can finally tribute that off for Mobius just to get the Blast to work... eh, why not just dark coffin to speed things up by one tribute (aka, 1 field presence worth?) Yeah I thought about that too, but this sounds impossible except for spy (which we aren't using), nimble momonga (not using either) or hydroggedon (actually in the deck.)

So, this idea specifies it to having Mobius, Blast with Chain, and hydroggedon/spell cards that can steal monsters. Eh, not worth the 3 card situational combo... Let's just Dark Coffin if we want Mobius.

she is a 1000/1800 with the ability to add hand advantage and have a never ending cycle of her...

What is with the hate trying to play something a little different than a GK Spy?

... Isn't that exactly what I said? Meanae is a product of +1 frenzy freaks who can't understand a "+1" doesn't mean anything unless the +1 can actually do something. What does Meanae exactly accomplish besides more copies of herself? So you can set her for more than twice? The lack of special summon to the field kills it badly. Meanae gives (relatively weak) hand advantage. Spy gives hand and field advantage, and that makes all the difference.

(Oh, then there's Nimble who's superior field advantage too)


I think what Zaik is trying to say is that since the deck's main attack forces are the tributes anyway who will usually get the higher attack power end, rush isn't necessary. Personally, I don't see how rush is back for this deck at this point.