The Ultimate Solution

[JoWood]

Ok, lets talk strategy. We going to a assemble a crack team of pokemon to beat even the best on netbattle. Right down to the bare items they hold.

I've already got started. A dragon dancer, like Dragonite would be good.

Dragonite, Male
@ Light Ball
Brave Nature +Attack/-?

-Dragon Dance
-Return/Hidden Power?
-T-Bolt
-Flamthrower

Dragon Dance and Return or Hidden Power would be good. A brave nature to add on to Dragonite's already huge Attack Status.

T-Bolt and Flamethrower to demolish all Anti Dragon Dancers. (ex: Regiice , Articuno , Walrein.)

Any suggestions on the ultimate solution?

 

[Toothache]

What use is a Light Ball to a Dragonite? All a Light Ball does is double the Special Attack of a Pichu or Pikachu. Gives people an excuse to use a Pikachu, because the Sp Attack of a Light Ball-holding Pika is more than it's evolved form (and higher than most natural Sp Attack period). Only a Deepseatooth offers the same benefit, and that's only to a Clamperl.

Just my coupla coins

 

[JoWood]

I thought it doubled Special Attack of all pokemon. Which would give Dragonite an extra boost for those special moves.

SO whatta you think should go there? PP up berry?

 

[Frostweaver]

err... dragonite's worst enemy is not ice types (Articuno is just as useless as Lickitung. Regiice can just stand there to take flamethrower anyway, and it's not like you can burn off thick blubber for Walrein), but ice users who aren't ice types. This includes Starmie for example. Starmie has already OHKO poor Draggy before you even move. Well even my Yanma can beat Dragonite unless dragonite has speed+ nature or chesto berry ;p

Dragonite is a very difficult Pokemon to use well... you'll need to plan your entire team at the same time, not to work them one by one.

 

[JoWood]

Thats what we're doing here. Change Dragonite then? Should a Dragon Dancer be included?


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Oh, yeah I found a new trick.

Smeragle
@Salac Berry

-Belly Drum
-Spore
-Baton Pass
-Subsistute

&

Blaziken
@Salac Berry

-Reversal
-Endure
-???
-???

Double up on speed for Smeragle.
This trick isn't always reiable. Smeragle uses Spore on first go. Then Belly Drum. IF you use belly drum and no damage has been done to smeragle, Subsitute until Salac Berry Takes effect.

Then pass the stats and baton to Blaziken. Keep enduring until 1 HP left, Salac Berry takes effect. Boom, Reversal plus a Belly Drum bonus. The whole team is gone.

This is again, unreiable. If you use this keep a party of tanks.

 

[Frostweaver]

err...

a) everyone has QAer or tyranitar
b) everyone knows of endure/reversal already
c) everyone knows how to stop Smeragle's spore, because all Smeragles had spore for 3 years now
d) salac is x1.5 speed not double
e) if you so fortunately got belly drum on Smeragle, ignore the salac berry and just pass it on right away
f) I'll rather ditch Blaziken for Aerodactyl to receive the belly drum... Aerodactyl the god of speed getting belly drum = ggkthx. Plus Aero's immune to the first-strike moves compare to Blaziken.

g) have fun with Smeragle... such a Smeragle-dependent strategy will need the luck.

 

[JoWood]

Smeragle's stats won't support it on the battle field.

Anywayz back to the subject. The ultimate solution, any suggestions?

 

[Frostweaver]

the solution is that there IS no solution, as every team can be defeated. If you hand over the moveset of the 6 Pokemon, then there WILL be a team that can totally demolish that team. The so called "best team" just means a team that can defeat *more* teams than another team.

There is no certain solution for winning on NB, unless you're directing this towards a certain team.

As for Smeragle, it's one of the most threatening thing ever if used correctly. I mean... we all know that anything that can baton pass dragon dance is a highly dangerous character. Smeragle works the same way as Breloom pretty much. If either of them has successfully pulled off one spore, well it's a pretty good chance of gg unless you can switch out to something to defeat them.

 

[JoWood]

Yeah, I'm directing this towards a certain team. I know nothin is perfect but we at least need an ultimate team(s).

So Dragonite's out of the question. Where do we go from here?

 

[Frostweaver]

a good start maybe telling us just what is the team you're going to face... ^^;

 

[KaeL]

Frostweaver, what can beat this team? This is my team, BTW. Blaziken, Groudon, Rayquaza, Miltoc (who knows icebeam and mirror coat), Metagross, and Cacturne. Btw, in a double battle, My Groudon, can be paired with 3 different pokemon, and do very well. If paired with Blaziken, both eruption and blazekick are uped because of drought. If paired with cacturne, solarbeam doesnt need to charge. and if paired with Rayquaza, earthquake does very good dmg.

 

[Frostweaver]

very simple... since you used 2 ubar, 3 OU and just 1 UU, I'll counter your strategy with a OU team as well. Assuming 1vs1 battle because 2vs2 is messed up...

-Aerodactyl takes down Blaziken and Cacturne, with the ability can finish off Metagross if Meta is half dead to begin with, or anyone who is weak for that matter because Aerodactyl is afterall 4th fastest ingame

-Groudon's worst nightmare is by far Milotic due to Milotic's ability to heal, and resistance to overheat. Can always ice beam to take down Rayquaza, Groudon and Cacturne.

-Lapras will do wonders against all 6, with Milotic immunity, ice beam to take down 3 out of 6, and surf to get the other 2. Metagross is perhaps Lapras's biggest problem, but blocking surf will heal that off

-Alakazam with sub/cm/petaya + ice punch will easily put a majority of members on this team. Alakazam can only knock off 1/2 of Groudon's hp, but then whatever comes out next can sweep that up. Only can't defeat metagross and milotic though.

-stick on Demonchaos's favorite Ludicolo... drains the junk out of everything. And since mine always packs ice beam to hit grass types who are seed-immune, that will come in handy against the 3 Pokemon who are all weak to ice.

-the last member can just be Ursaring to finish the job... really any physical can go here


Conclusion: without milotic, this entire team is sp.attack super vulnerable... and by the judge of the fact that...
-the starter Pokemon is in the team
-the 2 legendary available to ruby are on the team
is somewhat telling me that this team is extremely limited on moveset... especially anyone who uses Blaze Kick o.o; It is preferably the best that you post out your moveset in a seperate thread Prince Kael'thas (who's rather a dull character who pledges his alliance to like everyone in war3? >>; ), and see if my prediction is correct...

 

[KaeL]

K thanx for telling me how to beat it. and whos Prince Kael?

 

[Frostweaver]

o.O; oookay... nevermind then. I thought that you'll know who he is since you used his name as your username, along with a TFT-related picture as avatar... >>;

 

[KaeL]

Ok u caught me...lol. if u dislike my name ill change it.

 

[Frostweaver]

nothing nothing... I just thought that you've played Frozen Throne before... if you do, then you would have known who's prince Kael'thas. It's really ok ^_^

Guess right now we'll have to wait for JoWood to post out what's the lineup he must face with this team... otherwise we'll rather helpless for now.

 

[JoWood]

JoWood to do what? I'm just trying to find a way to the one of the best teams(Without using Ubers or too many OUs) . Every team has flaws of course.

Oh what the heck why not? KaeL, your team is very RARE. Not many ppl use Ubers. Mostly because your just taking advantage of high stats. A good party, in my opinion, has the moves , the technique and the experience of the controller.
(Enough of my babbling)

KaeL : Blaziken, Groudon, Rayquaza, Miltoc (who knows icebeam and mirror coat), Metagross, and Cacturne.

JoWood:

Wailrein, Lapras or Dewgong :
@Mystic Water/ Nevermelt Ice/.:Random:.

-Surf
-Ice Beam/Blizzard
-(Lapras: Haze) (Wailrein : Earthquake)
-(Some kind of stat booster. I'd prefer Spec. Attk)

Er- That pretty much takes care of that team. But your speaking high stats, like Rayquaza & Groundon. All I would need is a healing move and maybe some Leftovers. IF you were facing a Water/Ice Lover, you'd be doomed. Types may not be all to the battling , but it's definitly important. Your team isn't balanced 'type' wise.

 

[Xilion_Sword90]

Blaziken, Groudon, Rayquaza, Milotic, Metagross and Cacturn...

Lapras@Leftovers
Rain Dance
Surf
Thunder
Ice Beam

And there goes your team...

And by the way, the Blood Mage Hero is pretty useful. Flame Strike rules as AOE spell, Banish lets you cast magic without any risk of reprisals, Siphon Mana (or whatever it's called) restores Mana and drains Mana from other units and Pheonix is always a free Flying Tanking unit (if you can protect the egg...). But yeah, Kael is kinda dumb, took me like 14 units to destroy his base in Undead Campaign Chapter 8: A Symphony of Frost and Flame. But I should go back to subject.

What makes a Team really hard to beat is not the Pokemon, it's the Trainer. A Trainer who knows his Team well can face nearly anything. Pokemon are onlyu second to the Trainer who controls them.

 

[JoWood]

A good party, in my opinion, has the moves , the technique and the experience of the controller.

Now look at what you posted,

it's the Trainer. A Trainer who knows his Team well can face nearly anything. Pokemon are onlyu second to the Trainer who controls them.

I used controller for a replacement as trainer. You are only repeating what I said before you.

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On Topic: So are you tryin to construct this ultimate team thing or not?

 

[KaeL]

WEll, ur laparas would be killed by my cacurine or my metagross with thunder if u rain danced, wouldnt it? And yes Prince KaeL is a good hero to use, but not first, hes better with banish and siphon mana in a tri hero undead counter, pally mk and Bloodmage. Btw, Quel' thalas is the elven city, and its just prince KaeL, anyways i dont play ft much more im waiting for World of Warcraft, Blizz's new rpg game