having a baby

[Ineffable~]

Heaven forbid I get a girl pregnant, I say, pull a Juno and wait it out and put the baby up for adoption.

This.

Considering my sister is dead due to abortion, and I was a failed abortion, I would NEVER do anything so disgusting, and inhuman. I would have it and keep it.

And this.

What don't people undertand about the definition of murder? It's not okay to kill any human being at all. Even if it is inside you and currently part of your body. In fact, I would consider killing your unborn child...way much more inhumane than any form of murder. The people who think abortion is okay have obviously never heard of adoption.

My point being that if you don't want to raise a kid, please let it be adopted by another family instead...

 

[Wings Don't Cry]

If I got a girl pregnant I'd never tell her to get an abortion or put it up for adoption.

 

[Åzurε]

Well, point one:

Keep. It. In. Your. Pants.

But aside from that, adoption would be best for everyone involved. Abortion for something as superficial as maintaining appearances or because it was an "accident" is stupid and selfish, and keeping the child would at least give the people involved an opportunity to learn something, in addition to letting a kid keep it's life. If the dad was trying to run away, I'd say hang on to him like an angry terrier, because this is his fault too. If it's rape we're talking about, keep the child, there's advanced enough surgery to keep you pretty much safe, and chances are the man responsible will be found out sooner or later. There are people who will help you if you can't support him/her or think it's too hard put the child up for adoption.
I view abortion as infanticide because of people like Starchild in the above post. It's still a form of murder to me.
If the argument is "it's not really alive yet," You could put it in these terms: The people involved in performing an abortion are quashing life where it has the chance to appear, which is keeping someone from living, which is in essence killing someone. I may elaborate further, later, if I need to.

 

[Her]

Look, depends on how old you are. If you were 15, for instance, then there would be some legal complications but they can't make you kill the child, no one can. But if you were 16+, then it'd be your choice on whether you keep the baby or not.

 

[Jakuri]

Abortion is the same as "Suicide" in my opinion. It is a cowards way out.
If my life had to end to save the child's life, I would have it, hoping that it would have a chance with an adoptive family or the father, etc.
And, on the account of being "raped" I won't comment, since I've already dealt with this situation with someone who's already posted in this topic, and it just tears me apart the emotional strain it brings.
So, to sum it up. I will NEVER abort. Adoption at most.

 

[Esper]

Adoption gives the child the chance to actually live while abortion denies them that simple right.

Well, to settle it, abortion is just like getting rid of a child. Adoption is you want the kid to have a life and it's better off being with another family ... You'll never know what they would've become, or what they'd be like.

If the argument is "it's not really alive yet," You could put it in these terms: The people involved in performing an abortion are quashing life where it has the chance to appear, which is keeping someone from living, which is in essence killing someone. I may elaborate further, later, if I need to.

Like Luck has said, the belief that egg+sperm or a fetus = human life/person is a belief and not supported with evidence. Not everyone shares it and you can't expect everyone to.

I simply don't see the potential for human life as the same thing as actual human life. Eggs and flour are not the same thing as a cake even if they're made of the same stuff. Quashing life? If I never have children am I denying the right to life of all the kids I could potentially have, but don't? Of course not. I hold the same stance when it comes to a couple of human cells. Yes, they can become a full human being, but it is the desire to create and nurture a human life that makes those handful of cells a future human being. They aren't yet a person in my view, just the ingredients. Some people have the desire, some don't.

 

[doesn't matter]

Like Luck has said, the belief that egg+sperm or a fetus = human life/person is a belief and not supported with evidence. Not everyone shares it and you can't expect everyone to.

I simply don't see the potential for human life as the same thing as actual human life. Eggs and flour are not the same thing as a cake even if they're made of the same stuff. Quashing life? If I never have children am I denying the right to life of all the kids I could potentially have, but don't? Of course not. I hold the same stance when it comes to a couple of human cells. Yes, they can become a full human being, but it is the desire to create and nurture a human life that makes those handful of cells a future human being. They aren't yet a person in my view, just the ingredients. Some people have the desire, some don't.

What? No evidence? I think you meant to say, "Well it doesn't look like a person so it's alright to kill it."

Even though the child has human DNA, formed at the very moment of conception, when the sperm fertilises the egg, and thus is human. It's not an issue of views and opinions, it's not a belief or a matter of faith - it is human.

Or isn't that enough evidence for you? Perhaps it's too logical or something, idk. I mean, whatever makes you comfortable with murder is fine, right?

I think it goes without saying that I'm strongly against abortion (unless if the mother's life is in danger, and in such a case the child probably wouldn't survive anyway). Adoption would be an option, but I'd rather keep the child.

 

[Timbjerr]

Well, point one:

Keep. It. In. Your. Pants.

I couldn't agree with this more. The best way to avoid this debate is to avoid doing the no-pants dance if you're not ready for a child.

Of course, this topic is about the hypothetical situation pointing to the contrary....but I'm just saying. XD

Like Luck has said, the belief that egg+sperm or a fetus = human life/person is a belief and not supported with evidence. Not everyone shares it and you can't expect everyone to.

I simply don't see the potential for human life as the same thing as actual human life. Eggs and flour are not the same thing as a cake even if they're made of the same stuff. Quashing life? If I never have children am I denying the right to life of all the kids I could potentially have, but don't? Of course not. I hold the same stance when it comes to a couple of human cells. Yes, they can become a full human being, but it is the desire to create and nurture a human life that makes those handful of cells a future human being. They aren't yet a person in my view, just the ingredients. Some people have the desire, some don't.

A very scientific and logical approach to the issue indeed. However, consider this: most women that become pregnant, accidentally or otherwise, will tell you that they formed an emotional bond with their child just weeks after conception. Does this not fulfill the emotional requirement for a fetus to be considered as human life? Or is it the maternal instincts in the mother making her insane?

 

[poopnoodle]

A very scientific and logical approach to the issue indeed. However, consider this: most women that become pregnant, accidentally or otherwise, will tell you that they formed an emotional bond with their child just weeks after conception. Does this not fulfill the emotional requirement for a fetus to be considered as human life? Or is it the maternal instincts in the mother making her insane?

A) I'd like to see this poll that proves that most women become attached to their unborn babies, B) That is just...not surprising. You also said most, not all. I would not call them crazy, I just would not be surprised. C) That would be the MOTHER experiencing emotions, not the fetus...so no, it does not fulfill the emotional requirement for a fetus to be considered human life. I, like Scarf, believe that the fetus is not YET a human but a mass of tissue.

A lot of people don't seem to understand that (most) women don't just go around getting knocked up then abort for funsies...that sometimes the situation doesn't call for either an abortion or no abortion, but an abortion or dead woman. I must say I value the life of a fully ~blossomed~ human being over a bundle of cells. Also, people like me go out of their way to avoid pregnancy...but hey, rape happens. My stance is, I refuse to bring another child into the world when there are so many going without care...and I fear that if I did put the baby up for adoption, whoever I'd give the baby to would be less loving than I'd be. And raising it myself...I don't know if I could even look at the child whose father raped me, being reminded of the experience every single day of my life. Both of our lives would probably be miserable...and just not being alive sounds more pleasant than that.

(I'm not trying to impose my views, just present another viewpoint. This issue, like most topics of interests, are two-sided...please keep that in mind. And before you judge an entire lot of women for choosing to abort, try to consider every possible scenario that could result in taking such measures.)

 

[scyfer]

i would take the child under my wing...... it would be the beginning of my army >:D

 

[Rogue planet]

I think abortion is in many cases the best way, why bring another child into this already overpopulated world when s/he is not wanted? Even though I find the idea of murdering your own unborn child to be terrible.
Adoption is a wonderful concept, but how many people are actually willing to adopt a child? Think about how awful it would be for those children who are never adopted, who spend their entire childhood in an orphanage without ever having any parents.

But seeing as I am male, I don't think I deserve any say in the matter.

As for the 'mum and dad' issue, I really couldn't care less what they think; it's my life, it's my body, it's my child.

 

[Esper]

What? No evidence? I think you meant to say, "Well it doesn't look like a person so it's alright to kill it."

Even though the child has human DNA, formed at the very moment of conception, when the sperm fertilises the egg, and thus is human. It's not an issue of views and opinions, it's not a belief or a matter of faith - it is human.

Or isn't that enough evidence for you? Perhaps it's too logical or something, idk. I mean, whatever makes you comfortable with murder is fine, right?

I think it goes without saying that I'm strongly against abortion (unless if the mother's life is in danger, and in such a case the child probably wouldn't survive anyway). Adoption would be an option, but I'd rather keep the child.

Not too logical, but too simplistic. I've said a human being is more than the sum of its genetic material. Please don't put words into my mouth.

 

[LEXAcide]

if you have a child what would you do will put it up for adoption or get an abortion. what do you think your mom and dad will do would they kick you out or what.

Abortion FTW

I dont want a kid at 18

 

[Luck]

Well, I guess, what you're saying is moral is ...... bad? I'm not the most moral, goody-goody person you'll ever meet but I have 1 last point to make. The same people who are for abortion are the same people who don't believe in the death sentence, hypocritical much? Like you'll kill these innocent lives, but you refuse to kill off the guilty, evil ones.

*Facepalm*
Morals are subjective, and the fetus isn't classified as a human, just as the sunflower seed isn't classified as a sunflower. And I don't see you going to your local meat farm and protesting for the cows, chickens, lamb, and pigs. I mean, they kill animals that are unaware of their existence. Strangely enough, the same people who are pro-life are FOR capital punishment, war, and many other things that involve killing innocent people that ARE aware of their existence. This is the same capital punishment that killed people who proven innocent later.

What? No evidence? I think you meant to say, "Well it doesn't look like a person so it's alright to kill it."

Even though the child has human DNA, formed at the very moment of conception, when the sperm fertilises the egg, and thus is human. It's not an issue of views and opinions, it's not a belief or a matter of faith - it is human.

Or isn't that enough evidence for you? Perhaps it's too logical or something, idk. I mean, whatever makes you comfortable with murder is fine, right?

I think it goes without saying that I'm strongly against abortion (unless if the mother's life is in danger, and in such a case the child probably wouldn't survive anyway). Adoption would be an option, but I'd rather keep the child.

There are many mutations that happen during the 9 months in the womb. And although your argument makes sense, it wouldn't work that much. Sunflower seeds aren't sunflowers. They may have come from sunflowers, but they aren't sunflowers.

 

[kevcrash]

*Facepalm*
Morals are subjective, and the fetus isn't classified as a human, just as the sunflower seed isn't classified as a sunflower. And I don't see you going to your local meat farm and protesting for the cows, chickens, lamb, and pigs. I mean, they kill animals that are unaware of their existence. Strangely enough, the same people who are pro-life are FOR capital punishment, war, and many other things that involve killing innocent people that ARE aware of their existence. This is the same capital punishment that killed people who proven innocent later.


There are many mutations that happen during the 9 months in the womb. And although your argument makes sense, it wouldn't work that much. Sunflower seeds aren't sunflowers. They may have come from sunflowers, but they aren't sunflowers.

That's right, facepalm yourself to knock some real sense into you.
What I'm saying is of course we end innocent lives on death row, and I do regret that it wasn't further investigated, but for the most part, for the guilty killers, who cares if they knew their own existence?! THEY ENDED SOMEONE ELSE'S EXISTENCE!! They deserve what they get, because unlike what you think, because they think doesn't make them any more good-nature, does it? War, unfortunately, is the sad reality to end things. I do not like violence, but sometimes I wanna go over to Iraq and kick the crap out of those terrorists! Maybe I don't protest chickens and cows, but is that supposed to be a good point?? The fact is we are, the way God made us,higher on the food chain, and we need our protein to survive. Even you eat chicken and beef, but we don't EAT our children, you just changed it to make it look bad, but all you're doing is making yourself look stupid.

While fetuses aren't fully developed, they are still human life.
JUST BECAUSE THEY AREN'T BORN YET, IT'S ALRIGHT TO KILL THEM?! HOW OBLIVIOUS TO REALITY CAN YOU BE? "Let's just kill the babies cuz we couldn't keep our things where they are meant to be." Irresponsible, selfish, evil. The best ways to describe abortion. The only case I believe abortion is necessary is when a girl is raped and becomes pregnant, because she can't control what he did to her. But anyway, abortion is obviously wrong, whether it be morally or scientifically, it all equals wrong.
Once you can finally get this in your thick skulls will be the day the light is revealed.

Abortion FTW

I dont want a kid at 18

Wow. How selfish and stupid and you know what? How extremely ridiculous that you would ever consider killing young babies "For the win"
You evil little---- UGGGGGGGHHH!! NO CUSS WORDS ON THE ThREADS!!

 

[poopnoodle]

*Sigh*

Wow. How selfish and stupid and you know what? How extremely ridiculous that you would ever consider killing young babies "For the win"
You evil little---- UGGGGGGGHHH!! NO CUSS WORDS ON THE ThREADS!!

Please, let's debate rationally.

What I'm saying is of course we end innocent lives on death row, and I do regret that it wasn't further investigated, but for the most part, for the guilty killers, who cares if they knew their own existence?! THEY ENDED SOMEONE ELSE'S EXISTENCE!!

Tbh, I think the culprits should have to live with what they've done in a cold cell with nothing to do. It's like being dead, only conscious. I think death is a privilege to those living in monotony.

JUST BECAUSE THEY AREN'T BORN YET, IT'S ALRIGHT TO KILL THEM?! HOW OBLIVIOUS TO REALITY CAN YOU BE? "Let's just kill the babies cuz we couldn't keep our things where they are meant to be." Irresponsible, selfish, evil. The best ways to describe abortion. The only case I believe abortion is necessary is when a girl is raped and becomes pregnant, because she can't control what he did to her. But anyway, abortion is obviously wrong, whether it be morally or scientifically, it all equals wrong.

That is an extremely ignorant, one-sided view of what defenders of the idea of abortion believe. It is not just rape that results in abortion, but health issues, or the mother's position (whether it be financial, healthwise, whatever). Often times, abortion is in the baby's best interest. I don't know how many times Luck has to repeat him/herself, so let me restate. Sunflower seed does not equal sunflower.

Side note: You can get as frustrated as you want, but you cannot expect everyone to see things your way.

 

[kevcrash]

*Sigh*



Please, let's debate rationally.


Tbh, I think the culprits should have to live with what they've done in a cold cell with nothing to do. It's like being dead, only conscious. I think death is a privilege to those living in monotony.



That is an extremely ignorant, one-sided view of what defenders of the idea of abortion believe. It is not just rape that results in abortion, but health issues, or the mother's position. Often times, abortion is in the baby's best interest. I don't know how many times Luck has to repeat him/herself, so let me restate. Sunflower seed does not equal sunflower.

Side note: You can get as frustrated as you want, but you cannot expect everyone to see things your way.

I never expected anyone to see it all my way, and I know we are all entitled to our opinions. I kinda... forgot about the sickness one so that's another reason. I understand perfectly what Luck was saying so there's no need for you to restate it. Anyway about the killer thing, I do agree with the cell, cold, locked up with nothing, but anyway, in this one of few situations, an eye for an eye is the way it should be done, to me.

 

[twocows]

Whatever she decided, I'd stick by her. If she asked me what I thought, I'd recommend abortion (yes, I know she could adopt; I have my reasons, and I'm not going to get into a pointless debate about morality, since I know what I believe is right). If she chose to have it, I'd drop out of college and get a job. Parents would probably be disappointed, but it wouldn't be their decision. They're hardy paying anything for my education, anyway; I'm getting by almost 100% on scholarships.

 

[BHwolfgang]

If I ever get a girl pregnant, then I'll raise it, even without support. I can't just kick it away; the little fella is my blood and bones. o_o

 

[Timbjerr]

Abortion FTW

I dont want a kid at 18

I'm glad to see that you put all of two seconds of thought into it. Next time, try for at least three...that's how debates usually work. XD