Neo Pokesho Fanclub

[Draco Razr]

Does anyone know who Kotone is trying to imitate? Any trainer or gymleader come to mind?

 

[ShiroiRyu]

Don't remember sorry. XD
But Kotone is cute with that. :D

 

[Crystal Clair]

Soara updated the Blue/Leaf icon

Maybe it's the limitations in color of the gif but her hair looks really grey
so I went the next level and added wringles

 

[qa1]

@qa1 (I apologize, I've forgotten what you prefer to be called):
What do you suggest be changed about Pokémon, then? I provided my points as to why the game has changed, and your rebuttal is that the games are still the same and the changes are just superfluous. Certainly, yes, Pokémon follows a formula, but to claim it hasn't changed I something I simply do not agree with. You just say it's a formula, but don't say what needs to change.
The games will be similar, of course. That's mostly how video game sequels work. Megaman, Legend of Zelda, Super Mario, Metroid, Metal Gear, Dragon Warrior/Quest... these are all long-standing franchises that, if you want to boil it down to the nitty-gritty, are exactly the same from the first game to the latest. Saying Pokémon Red/Blue is the same as Diamond/Pearl is the same as saying Metroid is the same as Metroid: Other M, Legend of Zelda is the same as Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks, or Metal Gear is the same as Metal Gear Solid "5": Peace Walker. They share a lot of concepts in design and gameplay, sure, but have made many changes from each iteration in their series. That's how franchises are run. You want to keep things mostly the same to not scare away fans, but add enough new things to entice them to keep buying or to intrigue new buyers.

Yes, I would extend the criticism to some of those series in some ways. In the case of Metal Gear Solid though, it is a story driven francise, and I personally played it for that. It was, upon release, however, criticised for some of the repetativeness of its gameplay. The other series you listed have undergone major changes in formula and story. Both Metroid and Zelda have undergone evolutions from their days on the NES and SNES to their modern forms. Metroid especially. The original side scrolling game bears little resemblence to the modern third-person game. Even the character of Samus has had complexity added to her. The same goes for Zelda. Mario is a horrible example as well, because Mario has many successful games that have no resemblence to his main series of games. The two most recent side scrolling Mario games, "New Super Mario Bros" and "Super Mario Bros WII" were both criticised for not doing anything new and lacking any difficulty. Those who praised it, praised a return to the formula, or a homage to it, after years of other types of games. This isn't what Pokemon has done. I've been playing video games since the 80s, and games that have refused to evolve do not still exist in most cases, with the exceptions very much out numbered by those that prove the rule. How's Sonic doing these days? How about Cool-Spot? Crash Bandicoot? Spiro the Dragon? Gecks? Banjoo Kazooie? James Bond? Even Pokemon is, as shown in prior posts a few months ago, facing bad underselling in the US and European market.

But it is all irrelevent. I don't work for Nintendo and have no power. There isn't much point in discussing it. As I said, what it comes down to is if you like the game, buy it, if not, don't. Doesn't matter if someone else doesn't enjoy it if you yourself do.

 

[RASENCERO]

I Agree, nicely said.

People sometimes just buy the games, mainly because if the franchise
Because of this, there is always a certain feedback to the makers of the game, this way they know what to change or not.
But old school likes old school, so its always the question if the new formula works....

And of course children buy it, because most of them are susceptible to the hypnosis of massive advertisment.

 

[qa1]

I'd be interested in seeing how many children are actually still buying Pokemon. From what I've seen, it's mostly adults, at least in the US. My younger brother and sister both bought a Pokemon game, tried it for two minutes, and stopped playing because it had too much reading, too little graphics, and not enough content they could understand (9 and 10 at the time). I sometimes wonder if this modern generation of "casual" gamers can understand a game like Pokemon. After all, I was 9 when I first got Pokemon Red back in 1995, and I loved every second of it. But then again, as I got older, the games also added more. So I wonder how accessible a modern Pokemon game is to a new modern gamer who didn't grow up with it.

 

[RubyJB88]

That is interesting to point out, qa1. Also happy to hear more adults playing Pokemon games, in your case. I can attest to the fact that I've seen people around my age carrying Pokewalkers with them.

Maybe because Pokemon wasn't as complicated back then, is why we enjoyed it? The more recent games have added a lot of flavor and complexity to the mechanics which young children may not find enjoyable. Perhaps the newer games are taking more of an RPG standpoint than before?

 

[Draco Razr]

Also happy to hear more adults playing Pokemon games, in your case. I can attest to the fact that I've seen people around my age carrying Pokewalkers with them.

Hehehe. Here's an interesting story to accompany that. I found this article buzzing around the net. https://www.4colorrebellion.com/archives/2010/04/08/the-voyage-of-the-lost-pokewalker/

Maybe because Pokemon wasn't as complicated back then, is why we enjoyed it? The more recent games have added a lot of flavor and complexity to the mechanics which young children may not find enjoyable. Perhaps the newer games are taking more of an RPG standpoint than before?

I was wondering if that means first timers (this aiming more at children) would have to buy a Pokemon game from each generation and play games in order from the earliest to the latest release date in order to understand the game mechanics or plot structure.

 

[qa1]

Honestly, I don't WANT them to aim more at children. I'd like a final acknowledgement that this game is being consumed mostly by older generations who had prior exposure to a less complicated game and then build a game correspondingly for that generation.

Oh well, I think we are getting ahead of ourselves. White and Black might be black and white from the previous versions.

 

[the reborn sky]

I was wondering if that means first timers (this aiming more at children) would have to buy a Pokemon game from each generation and play games in order from the earliest to the latest release date in order to understand the game mechanics or plot structure.

But it's not like first timers would actually try to learn the mechanics. Anyway, most of the mechanics are mentioned in in-game dialogue, like STAB. And, its not like the plot is too hard to understand.

 

[RubyJB88]

Hehehe. Here's an interesting story to accompany that. I found this article buzzing around the net.

Yeah, it was that article, plus my own actual experience that made me think that.

I was wondering if that means first timers (this aiming more at children) would have to buy a Pokemon game from each generation and play games in order from the earliest to the latest release date in order to understand the game mechanics or plot structure.

If they are still around, and if they want to, then yes. I entirely skipped on Gen. III, but collected all five games of that generation that I'd like to play someday (when I *retire* from Pokemon for good). And even though I skipped a generation where they included a bunch of new stuff, I didn't miss any of that since they were all part of Generation IV.

Honestly, I don't WANT them to aim more at children. I'd like a final acknowledgement that this game is being consumed mostly by older generations who had prior exposure to a less complicated game and then build a game correspondingly for that generation.

I agree. To me it feels like it's falling into that stereotype (which it already is) that these games are for children, when they've been around for more than a decade, and the original fans are now a decade or more older. If only they'd break out of that stereotype and say that these games aren't just for children anymore. I see how they say in the new games they made this or that "challenging" than before, to appeal to the older fans. Take for example the Battle Frontier in Emerald, Platinum, and HGSS. Plus the revamp of Pokemon levels in gym battles & Elites in Platinum.

But it's not like first timers would actually try to learn the mechanics. Anyway, most of the mechanics are mentioned in in-game dialogue, like STAB. And, its not like the plot is too hard to understand.

They'll soon find out that the mechanics get complicated (as with EVs, IVs, etc.) that even I don't consider or care about. So it's not that easy as it was with R/B/Y. But it's their choice if they want to go that way or keep it easy. If taking the easy route then they won't have such problems like you said.

 

[qa1]

The idea that Pokemon is for children is almost a joke. The characters are suppose to be like 10, but have bigger boobs than 20 year olds. The story lines are actually getting pretty dark, and once and awhile there is even some hilarious inneuendo in the game. I think they should just drop the facade and make it edgy as heck, haha (I say that somewhat in jest).

 

[RubyJB88]

The characters are suppose to be like 10, but have bigger boobs than 20 year olds.

Specifically you mean the female characters and not the male characters, right? ;) [manboobs]

Yes I like a lot to what they did to the dialogue in D/P/Pt, and even HG/SS.

 

[qa1]

I don't think the children of this generation are that far removed from the children a decade ago. I mean back then, remember surfing up and down the Seafoam Islands' coast to get Missingno and get 999 rare candies? We had our lazy ways too.

 

[Crystal Clair]

I mean back then, remember surfing up and down the Seafoam Islands' coast to get Missingno and get 999 rare candies? We had our lazy ways too.

If you think that was lazy, how about wanting a machine to press the A button to keep feeding your Pokemon candy...

 

[qa1]

Actually, I had something like that. It attached to my Gameboy, and had an option to continually hit the A or B button until you turned it off.

 

[the reborn sky]

That'd be useful for hatching eggs though..........

 

[Kurai Terios]

....The hell? XDD

Anyone see the new 4koma with Pikachu and Lopunny?

 

[ShiroiRyu]

No ... You can show that to us ? XD
(And have you put me in the member list ? ^^)
Anyways, looked on the DP172 ... Really loved the Togekiss !

 

[RubyJB88]

Anyone see the new 4koma with Pikachu and Lopunny?

Yes, that was...interesting. XD Didn't get the end though.