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4th Gen Legends - Real or not?
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Kanto introduced Moltres, Zapdos, Articuno, Mew, and Mewtwo. Johto introduced Raikou, Entei, Suicune, Lugia, Celebi, and Ho-Oh. Hoenn introduced Regirock, Regice, Registeel, Latias, Latios, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, Jirachi, and Deoxys. And now we have Sinnoh, which introduced Regigigas, Giratina, Darkrai, Arceus, Mesprit, Uxie, Azelf, Dialga, Palkia, Manaphy, Phione, Cresselia, and Heatran.
Kanto and Johto are next to one another, Hoenn elsewhere, and Sinnoh even farther, probably in the opposite direction.
We can discount Deoxys and Mewtwo as far as legends go. Deoxys is just an alien virus that mutated, and Mewtwo was created by humans. They're just incredibly strong Pokémon, and nothing more.
Zapdos, Moltres, and Articuno represent the forces of lightning, fire, and ice. As Prof. Oak stated in The Power of One, an electrically-charged steam current has the power to flood the planet. This is basically what the "Beast of the Sea" was, caused by an imbalance of power between the trinity of forces. Lugia, having ocean-related powers in combination with being a Psychic type, allowed it to calm the birds. Not on its own, of course; Ash needed to get the orbs from each island and place them in a single shrine. I suspect that these orbs were charged with the elemental powers of the respective birds, and the sound waves from Melody's ocarina or Lugia's cry caused the radiation from those orbs to harmonize, which in turn would harmonize the birds themselves, restoring the balance and "calming the 'Beast of the Sea'". Such a form of radiation would only affect Articuno, Moltres, and Zapdos in this way. It would be just like light from a flashlight to anyone else.
In Ecruteak City, we learn that Lugia and Ho-Oh lived there atop twin towers in ancient times, but human greed and lust for power chased them away. If I remember correctly, the Tin Tower is where Lugia lived, and the Brass Tower (now the Burnt Tower) was Ho-Oh's perch. Lugia probably evolved (not in the Pokémon way) to adapt to the ocean, thus why you find it in the Whirl Islands. Ho-Oh probably decided to return to the Tin Tower, since it was the only tower standing and sensed your kindness.
Again in Ecruteak, you learn that Ho-Oh has a connection to Entei, Raikou, and especially Suicune. It seems to me that the legendary dog trio are judges, racing across the land not just because their power is incredible (and yet they're all BL/OU? What the hell?), but also because they were watching us humans. Then you come along, capture/defeat all three, and Ho-Oh understands that humans aren't beyond redemption, and thus flies to Tin Tower and awaits you.
Speaking of Suicune, there's a connection with the Unown here. They never were considered like this before, but perhaps Unown can be a legendary Pokémon? Also, if you've seen Spell of the Unown, you know that the Unown come from an alternate dimension... Perhaps the same dimension Giratina hails from? Maybe the Unown were created so that humans could better understand Pokémon simply by spelling certain things out.
Mew, being the ancestor of all Pokémon, can learn every move that can be taught by humans or learned on its own. It can also learn every other move, but without a method, there's no way to demonstrate this. Mewtwo was created by humans using Mew's DNA, but because they capitalized on power, Mewtwo lost the ability to learn all moves like Mew can.
In ancient times, the Hoenn Region's legends tell of a Pokémon who created oceans and a Pokémon who carved mountains. Kyogre and Groudon, the "weather ubers", are these, and they apparently conflict in every way. Apparently, the Red and Blue Orbs allow the wielder's heart to speak to, perhaps control, these Pokémon. Team Aqua's leader's heart was corrupted by a lust for power, thus driving Kyogre berserk (as seen in the anime). Pikachu's heart was pure, so Groudon was able to stop Kyogre.
However, it can also be said that Kyogre and Groudon can reject the Orbs' power and return to the Cave of Origin, their apparent birthplace. As shown in Pokémon Emerald Version, Rayquaza can force both Kyogre and Groudon into a stalemate and send them away, which is probably why the Air Lock ability is only Rayquaza's. Whenever Groudon and Kyogre meet, a huge battle between them ensues. Apparently, this is not because they hate one another, but because such a clash needs to happen in a certain spot to create a certain environment.
Rayquaza is known as the Sky High Pokémon, and rightly so, for it makes its home beyond human eyesight in the ozone layer. This is why Rayquaza was the first to encounter Deoxys, who mutated because of the ozone it passed through. Rayquaza recognized Deoxys as the alien virus it was, and thus attacked it. Thinking that the virus was eliminated, Rayquaza returned to the ozone layer. Years later, Deoxys reawoke and started looking for the other Deoxys. Rayquaza sensed this and sped off in an intercept course, making sure to eradicate the virus this time for good. However, when a certain city's security system goes haywire, it's the twin Deoxys who defend Rayquaza. It's in this moment that Rayquaza realizes the mutation wasn't just a physical one, and from human kindness, both Deoxys have learned much. Rayquaza ceases its mission and returns to the sky, and both Deoxys, knowing they don't belong but taking the memories with them, return to space.
Celebi, the Time Travel Pokémon and guardian of the forest, is said not to appear in war-torn times. Also, in Japan, Pokémon Gold, Silver, and Crystal Versions had a side quest involving the G.S. Ball (which appeared in the anime as well). The player would take the G.S. Ball to the shrine in the Ilex Forest in order to meet Celebi. With this information, it can be said that the G.S. Ball can only be opened by someone pure of heart in a time of peace. Kurt, the Apricorn Ball maker, couldn't even dent the G.S. Ball. That's not to say he's not pure of heart, but it does mean that perhaps, like with Lugia's legend, there was a chosen person to open the G.S. Ball. Also, in Pokémon Colosseum, the Time Flute calls Celebi to fully purify a Shadow Pokémon at the Relic Stone in Agate Village. Celebi does this by apparently combining its time travel and psychic abilities to make the Pokémon remember its happiest moments, as well as to see what you've done to help the world become a better place. You've noticed that the Relic Stone has a circular hole in the top, right? Perhaps the G.S. Ball could also be used here?
Jirachi awakens once for a week every millennium. I'd hate to take a nap for that long only to be awake for a week. Anyway, Jirachi doesn't really relate to any other Pokémon, it's just there for you to stick a note on and cry since you most likely won't live long enough to see the wish fulfilled.
Heatran, the volcanic Pokémon found in Stark Mountain, I don't really know much about. The only possible connection I can think of right now is to Entei, who makes volcanoes erupt by barking. The Pokédex doesn't show any connection, but there are people in Fight Area and Survival Area that talk about Heatran. I'll look them up later.
Latios and Latias roam the Hoenn Region, apparently in a guardianship role. This is especially true in Pokémon Heroes, when Altomare is attacked by a pair of agents from Team Rocket. They apparently have no connection to others.
Shaymin is apparently just a guardian of flowers and nature, who appears only to those who are truly thankful towards Pokémon and nature for their beauty and mutual uses.
Darkrai and Cresselia appear to oppose one another in the same way light and darkness do. Darkrai's Dark Void traps someone into sleep, while Bad Dreams turns dreams to nightmares. However, this state can be reversed by the Lunar Wing, which is apparently a feather from Cresselia's pink curves in spite of its own green color. I assume that the Lunar Wing becomes green after dropping from Cresselia's body, much like a branch will become brown in the center instead of green because it's no longer attached to the tree it came from. However, Cresselia and Darkrai also work together, being essentially Moon and Shadow, which always go hand-in-hand anyway.
Regigigas is a very interesting Pokémon, because it's bigger than a blue whale (look at the trailer for the movie after Dialga VS Palkia VS Darkrai). Now look at it in Pokémon Battle Revolution, and Dialga's bigger. What the hell? Well, anyway, Regigigas apparently worked together with Groudon, or at least cleaned up its mess, pulling the continents together. This is probably how Regirock was formed, what with all that rock from everywhere being thrown around. Regice was probably formed from the earliest polar ice caps' ice, and Registeel was probably made from metal found in a meteorite that Regigigas snatched out of the sky as it fell. Regigigas would shape these three Pokémon, give them life, and put them in what would become Hoenn as totems, or perhaps guardians (see Lucario and the Mystery of Mew). By capturing all three "totems", bringing them to Sinnoh, and going down into the Snowpoint Temple, one could reawaken Regigigas. I'm sure the next movie will shed more light on Regigigas, Shaymin, and Giratina. Until then, we can only speculate on this one.
Giratina, the only Ghost/Dragon Pokémon to exist, who lives in an alternate dimension. This one's really interesting to me, because it's mainly defensive. I'd guess then that Giratina acts in the Pokémon world much like Cerberus would in the Greek mythological version of the Underworld. It's a guardian who keeps the dead and the living seperate. It can apparently disappear into darkness at will, just like Darkrai can, given the Shadow Force move only it can learn. There appears to be a relation to Shaymin and Regigigas as well.
That leaves Arceus, Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf, Palkia, and Dialga. Sinnoh's legends state that an Egg appeared in a vortex of chaos, and from it Arceus was born. Arceus created Dialga and Palkia to create time and space, then created Azelf, Uxie, and Mesprit to create emotion, will, and knowledge. Arceus then went to sleep, apparently in the Hall of Origin, an area in Sinnoh directly above the Spear Pillar where dimensions would shift, allowing Arceus to appear.
With the creation of time, space, will, knowledge, and emotion, it seems to me that these five would create Regigigas (who would in turn create Regirock, Regice, and Registeel as guardians), Groudon, Rayquaza, and Kyogre (who would shape the pieces of the world and guard them, with Regigigas putting those pieces together). To keep the balance, Dialga and Palkia would leave for the alternate dimension with Arceus, while Mesprit, Uxie, and Azelf would sleep in the Sinnoh Region. Arceus apparently left Plates behind, telling its story so as not to be forgotten. If that's correct, then it's only natural that Arceus has the Multitype ability. Because those Plates came from Arceus, putting them back on Arceus would unlock a change. And yes, Arceus would have to be a "god" in order to create a universe and other "gods" to create other forces and guard them.
Since no world could have existed before time and space did, it's perfectly possible that Mew was the first Pokémon who actually originated from this planet, and from Mew, the rest of the Pokémon not mentioned in this post.
That's my take on it.
I have new information on Heatran. In the Survival Area, the old man who lives in the house adjacent to and on the left of the Pokémon Center says this:
"Let me tell you about the volcano named Stark Mountain. That volcano dates to when Sinnoh was made by the melding of time and space. Fiery lava spilled out and pooled, and then it turned into a Pokémon. It's said the Magma Stone was used to keep the Pokémon under control. Over time, the Pokémon turned into the volcano, according to legend."
According to what this old man says and this trailer for Dialga VS Palkia VS Darkrai, Dialga and Palkia had a fight, which shaped Stark Mountain. You'll notice near the beginning of that video that the town is in a mountainous region. In the games, the island with the Battle Tower is also very mountainous. I suspect this town is located on that island, but wasn't included in the games. The lava became Heatran, which should be obvious, considering that Heatran is found inside Stark Mountain. As for the Magma Stone, that would be interesting to research next.
If I'm right about this, Dialga and Palkia have clashed before the events of that movie. What isn't explained is how Darkrai got there, since the one you encounter in the games is on New Moon Island, which is mainly forest, not to mention you have your Bad Dreams in Canalave.
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Yay! Another theory thread!
Okay, let's start. Pokémon is a game where there are many legends told and fantastic things. However, if you don't count the fact that regular animals can firebreath or those things, it's basically a normal world where science and technology keeps upgrading. Manmade Pokémon have been created, a PC storage system exists, Poké Balls are able to capture them, Machines can teach Pokémon moves they can't learn by other means, and special methods to evolve Pokémon are being discovered such as radiaton (stones/hold items/location) or mental state (happiness).
On the other side, we've all heard that Lugia is the guardian of the seas, that Entei makes volcanoes erupt when it barks, that Kyogre created the ocean and Groudon the earth, that Jirachi can grant wishes, that Dialga controls time, that Palkia created the space, that Giratina is said to live in a parallel universe, that Darkrai consumes you through nightmares, and that Arceus is the god who created Sinnoh with its thousand arms.
However, we have never seen Lugia controlling the sea (unless they're used surf or something), Entei making volcanoes erupt, Jirachi granting wishes or Dialga travelling through time. Hoenn and Sinnoh seem to have more legends, but not real evidence of these fantastic situations. The plots make you believe all this happens, like Team Galactic wanting to control the universe through Dialga or Plakia, but really Gamefreak seems to point out in some way that science is more precise.
It's said Arceus made the world while science says Mew is the ancestor of most known Pokémon. It was said Latias had powers to become invisible while the Dex says it has the ability to cover itself in a glass-like thing that refracts light. And supposedly Dialga made time and Palkia made space, but they don't seem to be stronger than Mewtwo, for example. They're just legends that don't make sense.
And something that many of you probably never thought: Arceus has the better stats. However, it can't learn some moves, unlike Mew. It's something that lives in a heaven-like place with ridiculous stats. Could it be God? Actually, no. When you find it, you'll see it's simply a Lv80 Pokémon. Just that. It can be the strongest thing there, but you can still catch it in a Poké Ball. Do you think you could catch God in a Poké Ball?
So, basically, this threads is to discuss about legends in the Pokémon world, especially Arceus. Do you think they are a little bit too exaggerated? Do you think science has proved enough? Is Arceus the real "creator of the world"? And do you think Gamefreak tries to tell us this on purpose?
You've heard my opinion, so what does everyone else think?
well i think its a little weird how they say arceus is the most powerfull pokemon because Mew would probably beat it in a battle but then Ho-Oh comes in it looks over the earth until humans and pokemon can live in harmony. so really who is the one who created the earth? i think arceus only created sinnoh but then mew and Ho-OH hmm....
Okay, let's start. Pokémon is a game where there are many legends told and fantastic things. However, if you don't count the fact that regular animals can firebreath or those things, it's basically a normal world where science and technology keeps upgrading. Manmade Pokémon have been created, a PC storage system exists, Poké Balls are able to capture them, Machines can teach Pokémon moves they can't learn by other means, and special methods to evolve Pokémon are being discovered such as radiaton (stones/hold items/location) or mental state (happiness).
On the other side, we've all heard that Lugia is the guardian of the seas, that Entei makes volcanoes erupt when it barks, that Kyogre created the ocean and Groudon the earth, that Jirachi can grant wishes, that Dialga controls time, that Palkia created the space, that Giratina is said to live in a parallel universe, that Darkrai consumes you through nightmares, and that Arceus is the god who created Sinnoh with its thousand arms.
However, we have never seen Lugia controlling the sea (unless they're used surf or something), Entei making volcanoes erupt, Jirachi granting wishes or Dialga travelling through time. Hoenn and Sinnoh seem to have more legends, but not real evidence of these fantastic situations. The plots make you believe all this happens, like Team Galactic wanting to control the universe through Dialga or Plakia, but really Gamefreak seems to point out in some way that science is more precise.
It's said Arceus made the world while science says Mew is the ancestor of most known Pokémon. It was said Latias had powers to become invisible while the Dex says it has the ability to cover itself in a glass-like thing that refracts light. And supposedly Dialga made time and Palkia made space, but they don't seem to be stronger than Mewtwo, for example. They're just legends that don't make sense.
And something that many of you probably never thought: Arceus has the better stats. However, it can't learn some moves, unlike Mew. It's something that lives in a heaven-like place with ridiculous stats. Could it be God? Actually, no. When you find it, you'll see it's simply a Lv80 Pokémon. Just that. It can be the strongest thing there, but you can still catch it in a Poké Ball. Do you think you could catch God in a Poké Ball?
So, basically, this threads is to discuss about legends in the Pokémon world, especially Arceus. Do you think they are a little bit too exaggerated? Do you think science has proved enough? Is Arceus the real "creator of the world"? And do you think Gamefreak tries to tell us this on purpose?
You've heard my opinion, so what does everyone else think?
well i think its a little weird how they say arceus is the most powerfull pokemon because Mew would probably beat it in a battle but then Ho-Oh comes in it looks over the earth until humans and pokemon can live in harmony. so really who is the one who created the earth? i think arceus only created sinnoh but then mew and Ho-OH hmm....
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well i think its a little weird how they say arceus is the most powerfull pokemon because Mew would probably beat it in a battle but then Ho-Oh comes in it looks over the earth until humans and pokemon can live in harmony. so really who is the one who created the earth? i think arceus only created sinnoh but then mew and Ho-OH hmm....
This quote is all your post should have been. Copying and pasting the original post without the quote tags is silly.
Anyway, there's no way Mew could defeat Arceus. Judgment is extremely powerful already, and we can just double its power against Mew by having Arceus hold an Insect, Dread, or Spooky Plate. Just because Mew can learn every move doesn't mean it can beat Arceus.
Mew and Ho-Oh are not creators, they are guardians. Ho-Oh also serves in a sort of jury role, as I implied in my previous posts.
As for this planet's creation, that was probably Palkia's doing, being the deity of space.
Anyway, I'm going to explore Stark Mountain for a while and see what else I can dig up on Heatran.
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I think it's just a videogame. I'm not trying to be rude but I don't think there is any hidden or deep thoughts inside pokemon.
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i think there is a connection between shaymin and celebi - as they both kind of are guardian of the same thing - also i heard a rumour that celebi is one of dialga's ally's and deoxys is one of palkia's ally's but the one that gets me going is Ho-Oh if it it is creator of rainbows it must be like god - since in the bible the story of Noah's ark explains god gives rainbows to show he is loving us - and in the anime every time a rainbow appears it is when you would think Ho-Oh would be happy
next is arceus he must have created azelf uxie and mespirit to maintain balance in the world while dialga and palkia were made to keep space and time in the balance then out of the vortex came deoxys - following palkia - and celebi - following dialga -
then when deoxys was getting close to earth raquazza noticed deoxys and had a tremendous battle against deoxys thinking deoxys was gone for good raquazza went back to the ozone layer but a few - thousand - years later deoxys came back not being as powerful as its ancestor raquazza had a struggle against deoxys but then when Ash arrived in the city deoxys felt that human kindness was important to him too so stopped attacking the town
then celebi got captured in a dark ball which didnt help the time part of the balance but then suicune comes in what connection does it have with celebi? i mean it wouldnt come saving it for no reason whatsoever
well thats my say :)
next is arceus he must have created azelf uxie and mespirit to maintain balance in the world while dialga and palkia were made to keep space and time in the balance then out of the vortex came deoxys - following palkia - and celebi - following dialga -
then when deoxys was getting close to earth raquazza noticed deoxys and had a tremendous battle against deoxys thinking deoxys was gone for good raquazza went back to the ozone layer but a few - thousand - years later deoxys came back not being as powerful as its ancestor raquazza had a struggle against deoxys but then when Ash arrived in the city deoxys felt that human kindness was important to him too so stopped attacking the town
then celebi got captured in a dark ball which didnt help the time part of the balance but then suicune comes in what connection does it have with celebi? i mean it wouldnt come saving it for no reason whatsoever
well thats my say :)
I think it's just a videogame. I'm not trying to be rude but I don't think there is any hidden or deep thoughts inside pokemon.
Yeah, we know it could be just a game and they didnt think about it, but were here to discuss about what if it isnt? I think so anyway? Am i right?
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i think there is a connection between shaymin and celebi - as they both kind of are guardian of the same thing - also i heard a rumour that celebi is one of dialga's ally's and deoxys is one of palkia's ally's but the one that gets me going is Ho-Oh if it it is creator of rainbows it must be like god - since in the bible the story of Noah's ark explains god gives rainbows to show he is loving us - and in the anime every time a rainbow appears it is when you would think Ho-Oh would be happy
next is arceus he must have created azelf uxie and mespirit to maintain balance in the world while dialga and palkia were made to keep space and time in the balance then out of the vortex came deoxys - following palkia - and celebi - following dialga -
then when deoxys was getting close to earth raquazza noticed deoxys and had a tremendous battle against deoxys thinking deoxys was gone for good raquazza went back to the ozone layer but a few - thousand - years later deoxys came back not being as powerful as its ancestor raquazza had a struggle against deoxys but then when Ash arrived in the city deoxys felt that human kindness was important to him too so stopped attacking the town
then celebi got captured in a dark ball which didnt help the time part of the balance but then suicune comes in what connection does it have with celebi? i mean it wouldnt come saving it for no reason whatsoever
well thats my say :)
I wouldn't draw parallels between the Bible and Pokémon. The last thing we need is for this thread to erupt into a huge clash of religion and such things.
Deoxys didn't attack the city to begin with. It was searching for its counterpart.
Suicune and Celebi appear to have no connection. They have a mutual understanding, however, as Celebi uses the lake water to heal itself, and Suicune keeps that water pure.
As far as we know, there's no connection between Celebi and Shaymin. There's also no connection between Palkia and Deoxys, nor any between Celebi and Dialga.
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about arceus and Mew i think Mew created Arceus beacause it says Mew is the ancestor of ALL pokemon and being god doesnt mean you created the earth like greek gods there is more than one so they didnt All create the world but i might be wrong..
did anyone get any of that lol :)
did anyone get any of that lol :)
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about arceus and Mew i think Mew created Arceus beacause it says Mew is the ancestor of ALL pokemon and being god doesnt mean you created the earth like greek gods there is more than one so they didnt All create the world but i might be wrong..
did anyone get any of that lol :)
Proper English is a big help.
Anyway, since nothing could have existed before the vortex of chaos from which the Arceus Egg came from, it's impossible for Mew to have been responsible for the birth of Arceus.
The books in the top floor of Canalave Library state that Arceus hatched from an Egg that appeared from the vortex of chaos that existed before the universe. Arceus created the universe, along with Dialga and Palkia to create and govern time and space, respectively. Arceus then created Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf, who created and govern knowledge, emotion, and will, respectively.
Palkia, who created and governs space, no doubt created the hunks of rock and stars of flame we call the earth and sun. On our planet, a Mew was born, and from Mew, all other Pokémon came to be. Whether Groudon, Kygore, and Rayquaza came first, or if Mew came first, is up in the air. It could have gone either way.
But there's no way Mew could have created Arceus.
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Proper English is a big help.
Anyway, since nothing could have existed before the vortex of chaos from which the Arceus Egg came from, it's impossible for Mew to have been responsible for the birth of Arceus.
The books in the top floor of Canalave Library state that Arceus hatched from an Egg that appeared from the vortex of chaos that existed before the universe. Arceus created the universe, along with Dialga and Palkia to create and govern time and space, respectively. Arceus then created Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf, who created and govern knowledge, emotion, and will, respectively.
Palkia, who created and governs space, no doubt created the hunks of rock and stars of flame we call the earth and sun. On our planet, a Mew was born, and from Mew, all other Pokémon came to be. Whether Groudon, Kygore, and Rayquaza came first, or if Mew came first, is up in the air. It could have gone either way.
But there's no way Mew could have created Arceus.
what do u mean proper english lol :) i cant be bothered reading in canalve library
so what your saying is Mew is ancestor of all pokemon - except arceus - right? :)
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what do u mean proper english lol :) i cant be bothered reading in canalve library
so what your saying is Mew is ancestor of all pokemon - except arceus - right? :)
I mean type my way, not your way. See my signature for more details.
You really should read. If you can't be bothered to read some books, then how can you be bothered to post on a forum?
I'm saying Mew is the first Pokémon to originate from this world, and therefore can't be the ancestor of Arceus, Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf, Palkia, or Dialga, because they already existed before that. It's possible that Rayquaza, Groudon, Kyogre, Regigigas, Regirock, Registeel, and Regice also existed prior to Mew, but there's no way to know yet. Look at my previous posts for details.
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I mean type my way, not your way. See my signature for more details.
You really should read. If you can't be bothered to read some books, then how can you be bothered to post on a forum?
I'm saying Mew is the first Pokémon to originate from this Pokémon, and therefore can't be the ancestor of Arceus, Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf, Palkia, or Dialga, because they already existed before that. It's possible that Rayquaza, Groudon, Kyogre, Regigigas, Regirock, Registeel, and Regice also existed prior to Mew, but there's no way to know yet. Look at my previous posts for details.
lol i read in real life, but for some reason i cant be bothered to go to canalve library and read a book lol. You probably are right on the whole Mew thing :D.
i am just a bit clumsy when it comes to complicated things like, the relation of legendary pokemon i get a bit carried away and most of the time my things dont make very muck sense
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I mean type my way, not your way. See my signature for more details.
You really should read. If you can't be bothered to read some books, then how can you be bothered to post on a forum?
I'm saying Mew is the first Pokémon to originate from this Pokémon, and therefore can't be the ancestor of Arceus, Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf, Palkia, or Dialga, because they already existed before that. It's possible that Rayquaza, Groudon, Kyogre, Regigigas, Regirock, Registeel, and Regice also existed prior to Mew, but there's no way to know yet. Look at my previous posts for details.
lol i read in real life, but for some reason i cant be bothered to go to canalve library and read a book lol. You probably are right on the whole Mew thing :D.
i am just a bit clumsy when it comes to complicated things like, the relation of legendary pokemon i get a bit carried away and most of the time my things dont make very much sense
lol muck what the heck was that about? :P
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lol i read in real life, but for some reason i cant be bothered to go to canalve library and read a book lol.
Go to Canalave City, get to the top floor of the library, and read everything. It's honestly easier than reading an actual book. Perhaps then you'll understand a bit more.
Knowledge is power.
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no i cant..... ill start singing "i've got the power" and my Mum might take a heart attack
anyway im gonna read the canalve library books and come back with all the information i get see you in a bit ~ i've got the power power oh yeah ~
ok this is what it says in the book " in the beginning, there was only a churning turmoil of chaos. At the heart of the chaos, where all things became one,appeared an egg. Having tumbled from the vortex,the egg gave rise to the original one.
from itself,two beings the original one did make. Time started to spin.Space began to expand.From itself again, three living things the original one did make.
The two beings wished,and from them, matter came to be. The three living things wished and from them, spirit came to be.The world created, the original one took to unyeilding sleep...
wow you were right wasn't that bad :D
anyway im gonna read the canalve library books and come back with all the information i get see you in a bit ~ i've got the power power oh yeah ~
ok this is what it says in the book " in the beginning, there was only a churning turmoil of chaos. At the heart of the chaos, where all things became one,appeared an egg. Having tumbled from the vortex,the egg gave rise to the original one.
from itself,two beings the original one did make. Time started to spin.Space began to expand.From itself again, three living things the original one did make.
The two beings wished,and from them, matter came to be. The three living things wished and from them, spirit came to be.The world created, the original one took to unyeilding sleep...
wow you were right wasn't that bad :D
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i think there is a connection between shaymin and celebi - as they both kind of are guardian of the same thing
Wrong. Celebi is in no way a forset protector. Have you read his pokedex entries? He only appears in peaceful times. How can he protect it if he won't appear?
- also i heard a rumour that celebi is one of dialga's ally's
Some evidence, not certain though
and deoxys is one of palkia's ally's
Wrong. You're one of the many people taking 'space' too literally. He means the space the universe is in, not the stars and stuff. Deoxys is basically an ET
But the one that gets me going is Ho-Oh if it it is creator of rainbows it must be like god- since in the bible the story of Noah's ark explains god gives rainbows to show he is loving us - and in the anime every time a rainbow appears it is when you would think Ho-Oh would be happy
What? Ho-oh isnt the creator of rainbows. Fire-red's pokedex entriy states he lives at the foot of one. Does god live at the end of a rainbow? No. If this your argument you are calling Ho-oh and god leprecauns.
next is arceus he must have created azelf uxie and mespirit to maintain balance in the world while dialga and palkia were made to keep space and time in the balance then out of the vortex came deoxys - following palkia - and celebi - following dialga -
This wrong, simply because you are saying the creation of time and space came before Dialga and palkia, when it these to who created time and space. And you've pulled deoxys out of nowhere again.
then when deoxys was getting close to earth raquazza noticed deoxys and had a tremendous battle against deoxys thinking deoxys was gone for good raquazza went back to the ozone layer but a few - thousand - years later deoxys came back not being as powerful as its ancestor raquazza had a struggle against deoxys but then when Ash arrived in the city deoxys felt that human kindness was important to him too so stopped attacking the town
then celebi got captured in a dark ball which didnt help the time part of the balance but then suicune comes in what connection does it have with celebi? i mean it wouldnt come saving it for no reason whatsoever
Urgh, anime. GO WITH THE GAMES PEOPLE
well thats my say :)
Well thats my say. You would no what you are sayin is wrong if you had bothered to do any research and not guessed from a movie.
Thankyou for Waker for saying most of the above already, I just felt commited to the thread to sift out the garbage. And yes, arceus came before mew. You would know this from canalave library if you had bothered to spend 2 minutes reading when asked.
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Thankyou for Waker for saying most of the above already, I just felt commited to the thread to sift out the garbage. And yes, arceus came before mew. You would know this from canalave library if you had bothered to spend 2 minutes reading when asked.
No problem. Just call me Prof. Banana (yes, that is a tree).
At the moment, I'm searching for Giratina. Turnback Cave is astounding. When you first enter, there's an inscription that reads as follows.
"...Past three pillars...to the sleeping...before 30 is surpassed..."
There appears to be more than three pillars here, each with two numbers. For example, the last one I came across before finding Giratina was this one.
3
9
Perhaps this is part of Giratina's legend, a cryptic clue that leads not only to Giratina, but also to its history?
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Ah, the riddle of turnback cave is a large disappointment in my opinion, because i found out how it works. In relation to the inscription:
Past three pillars; The minimum amount you will pass. Do it in exactly three and you get the reaper cloth.
To the sleeping; Obviously referring to giratina.
Before 30 is surpassed; go through any more rooms than this and the game will literally turn you back, and you have to exit and starty again.
It reminded me of when you first discovered the brail leading to the regis, we got so excited and then realised it was just a fancy to-do list lol.
Still, there is literally no information anywhere as to giratina's purpose.
Past three pillars; The minimum amount you will pass. Do it in exactly three and you get the reaper cloth.
To the sleeping; Obviously referring to giratina.
Before 30 is surpassed; go through any more rooms than this and the game will literally turn you back, and you have to exit and starty again.
It reminded me of when you first discovered the brail leading to the regis, we got so excited and then realised it was just a fancy to-do list lol.
Still, there is literally no information anywhere as to giratina's purpose.
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Ah, the riddle of turnback cave is a large disappointment in my opinion, because i found out how it works. In relation to the inscription:
Past three pillars; The minimum amount you will pass. Do it in exactly three and you get the reaper cloth.
To the sleeping; Obviously referring to giratina.
Before 30 is surpassed; go through any more rooms than this and the game will literally turn you back, and you have to exit and starty again.
It reminded me of when you first discovered the brail leading to the regis, we got so excited and then realised it was just a fancy to-do list lol.
Still, there is literally no information anywhere as to giratina's purpose.
I already have a Reaper Cloth, so meh. Shadow Force looks great, though.
As for the "no information" bit, I'm not so sure. Did you read the inscription behind where Giratina was standing?
"This is... That where life sparkles... That where life has faded... A place where two worlds overlap..."
"That where life sparkles" refers to the dimension you're in, the dimension of the living. "That where life has faded" refers to the world that lies beyond Death's gate.
Therefore, "a place where two worlds overlap", where Giratina appears, is where life and death meet one another. This confirms that Giratina is the guardian who makes sure the dead remain dead, and the living don't die prematurely if possible.
If you read the first inscription again as you leave, it has a new quote.
"...Past three pillars...offer up...to the...before 30 is surpassed..."
I'm going to find out what this means now.
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