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JX Valentine

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  • Erika, Akane, Lila, Natsune (first encounter, not officially a Gym match). That might not sound like a lot, but considering he only gets utterly wasted by about one or two Gym Leaders per saga, that's actually a lot.

    1. Erika did not waste Ash the first time around. Ash had trouble getting into the Gym because he insulted her craft, so her friends just owned him. In the battle itself, if I recall correctly, while Erika was a tough opponent, the actual decision was left unclear because Team Rocket interrupted the battle partway through.

    2. Whitney and Gardenia, I admit, were two wins. I did say "not very often," however, and this actually just supports my argument, considering the number of other female Gym Leaders Ash faced.

    3. Lila I'm not familiar with, and I have actually looked up the name, only to find nothing in terms of a female Gym Leader.

    And since you brought up the deus ex win, I figure I'll point out that that's another thing I see nostalgics will constantly gloss over: the early parts of the anime involved a LOT of deus ex moments.

    That's my point. The Sabrina win was a deus ex moment. I was trying to say that if Ash hadn't had that deus ex moment, she would have wasted him for the second time.

    Likewise, most of Ash's other Gym wins came by deus ex moments. In fact, the more recent seasons are the ones that are weaning off that device. That's what I meant by the phrase "so what else was new back then," which I can only assume that you completely ignored in favor of asserting superiority, just as you probably skipped over the words "don't often see."
     
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  • Sorry, going to interupt just to say this:
    I tried doing this back, say, 2 years I think. Epic fail ensued. Just wasn't enough people older than 18 at the time (or at least ones that would admit it.)

    Here's to finding success with this venture.

    I'm Tetsu. That's all you need to know about that. I'm currently 20 going on 12, and I got into Pokemon when it came to America on FOX back in the 6th grade. I believe I was 11 at the time, somewhere around there.

    Anyway the topic was Ash losing, right? Please continue.
     

    RenzokukenofCerberus

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    before anyone bitches at me, yes, I use Japanese names. Got a problem? Look it up.



    actually, you're one of SEVERAL retards who do nothing but worship this "nostalgia" like the second coming and never give any of the newer Pokemon a god damn chance. Not to say I hate nostalgia and just bury it behind me to never be looked back on again. Hell, some of the first 151 are still among my favorites (like Kyuukon), and I still fondly look back on the days of Super Nintendo. However, life is about progress, and you've got to accept newer things as well. Put simply, it's about a balance, and unfortunately, several people are ignorant and will just lean towards one side completely.



    are you shitting me? Lizard is just some stubby red parasaurolophus with a flame on its tail.... yeah, totally original. At least Dorapion's spikes actually allows its design to differentiate from looking too much like an ordinary scorpion. In fact, that's a kind of trait you'll notice in a lot of newer Pokemon: they're far more radically altered from appearing like regular animals than the first generation did.



    Erika, Akane, Lila, Natsune (first encounter, not officially a Gym match). That might not sound like a lot, but considering he only gets utterly wasted by about one or two Gym Leaders per saga, that's actually a lot.

    And since you brought up the deus ex win, I figure I'll point out that that's another thing I see nostalgics will constantly gloss over: the early parts of the anime involved a LOT of deus ex moments. Let's not forget about pity badges, the Pokemon hardly ever evolving, and battles that only tended to last a second and were written like ass. Seriously, Jouto may've sucked balls, but Advanced Generation was a major improvement and the show's only gotten better since (though, most people aren't willing to give it that chance simply because a certain character left the cast).

    Also, at this point in time, I've kinda accepted the anime for what it is. It's always gonna be episodic, the Rocket Dan are always gonna be comic relief (a lot of which is actually pretty damn good), and there's no escaping that it's an advertisement targeted towards children, just as it's been since day one. Sure, some of the plot and characterization could improve (in fact, the Diamond/Pearl saga's been doing just that), there can be better choreographed battles and more spotlight on real badass mother fucking Pokemon, but overall, it's pretty hard-set on being a tad formulaic. It's pretty good just to see an animated adaptation of an enjoyable video game series, and getting to see all your favorite creatures from said games in action, and you can even get some good laughs out of it, but don't expect some hugely epic action drama anime (much like Digimon, in contrast) out of this. That's what other media (like manga) is for. If you're still not satisfied, you can always make your own fanfiction or, in my case, doujinshi.

    Oh, and as for classic episodes I enjoyed.... if you don't mind an answer venturing as late as the Orange Islands, I did enjoy the one where Pikachu and Nyaasu got tied together and lost on an island full of giant Pigeot and Saidon.



    well, you are older than me, but someone clearly missed the woman on the previous page who stated she was 28. Is three pages really long enough to justify skimming over a thread before posting?

    Anyway, I'm 21, soon to be 22 in about three months. I get the feeling that I'm actually one of the earliest westerners to take an interest in the franchise, because I first got a glimpse of the games way back in 1996, I think. In an issue of Nintendo Power, they showed the covers to Pocket Monsters Green and Red. I didn't know what the hell they were, but the title and the covers both seemed interesting, and I would've liked to know more about these games (and what these different versions were all about) at the time. As soon as it come overseas under the title "Pokemon" (and with a Blue version instead of Green for whatever bizarre reason), I instantly recognized it as this "Pocket Monsters" from back then. It didn't take long for me to get the games and some VHS tapes of the anime (my local station didn't air it, and I didn't get WB for a while). I also plan to be into it for a long time, as I never really lose interest in a game franchise of any sort as I get older. I'm always a gamer at heart, and I enjoy games for being fun, simple as that. Age is completely irrelevant there (in fact, age should be irrelevant to a lot of media).

    I gotta say, I'm a bit disappointed in this thread. Given the age in the title, I honestly was expecting a shitload of mature content in here, having all hell break loose and making this as no-bars-held as your average 4chan thread.... except still kinda within the guidelines of no porno and other crap. You know, discussions on the type of Pokemon hentai out there or talk on which chick (or guy) in the franchise you'd most like to bang and whatnot.

    You sir are idiot, if you want 'mature' conversations go to 4chan. And ya, 3 pages of repeatative stuff with people stating their names is more of a hinderence to read...much like your post.

    So aside from your rapid fire cursing on a POKEMON SITE you sound about as educated as toast. So will you please refrain from talking if you're just going to spew mindless flaming dribble.

    And as for your earlier comments about nostalgia... how many Pokemon are just the 'new gens Pidgey or Rattata"? Many of the designs got lame, some are still interesting... but still.

    1998 - 2000 was the prime of Pokemon, so everyone old enough to remember will love those days when everything was new and interesting.

    Now in regards to the game... it's the same crap just different country. And in regards to the anime... it severely declined once Misty left in my opinion. I miss the chick who wanted to be the best trainer instead of the new girl who always wants to be 'whatever the new thing for the gen is".
     

    Yamato-san

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    2. Whitney and Gardenia, I admit, were two wins. I did say "not very often," however, and this actually just supports my argument, considering the number of other female Gym Leaders Ash faced.

    And I said that Satoshi rarely gets owned by Gym Leaders to begin with, which is why I was claiming that, comparitively-speaking, him getting beaten by female Leaders isn't as uncommon as you think.

    3. Lila I'm not familiar with, and I have actually looked up the name, only to find nothing in terms of a female Gym Leader.

    Lila is the Frontier Brain of the Battle Tower. Technically not a Gym Leader, but the anime didn't do a damn thing to differentiate them anyway.

    You sir are idiot, if you want 'mature' conversations go to 4chan. And ya, 3 pages of repeatative stuff with people stating their names is more of a hinderence to read...much like your post.

    aw, is someone pissed I pointed out that they're wrong? 4chan goes too fast. Besides, it's not like I'm requesting hentai on here. I merely suggested the notion of discussing it.

    So aside from your rapid fire cursing on a POKEMON SITE you sound about as educated as toast. So will you please refrain from talking if you're just going to spew mindless flaming dribble.

    first off, great job ignoring almost every point I made and focusing only on the cursing. Second, who cares if this is a POKEMON SITE ? Aside from this being teh internets, this thread was intended for older users. Third, rather than flaming, I'd prefer "pointing out the fandom's flaws", and looking at nostalgia with rose-colored glasses is a serious, prominent, and just plain idiotic flaw. Now if you're just gonna spew mindless flaming dribble, then please do the world a favor and go kill yourself.

    1998 - 2000 was the prime of Pokemon, so everyone old enough to remember will love those days when everything was new and interesting.

    no, 1998-2000 was Pokemon's fad days. Everyone was just getting into it because it was the hot new thing at the time. Fortunately, unlike most other fads, Pokemon actually managed to retain a respectably large number of "true" fans after its hype died down. Also, this post-hype fanbase seems to increase by the time each new generation is released as indicated by game sales, which is really quite something after the horrible slump the 2nd generation left us with.

    Now in regards to the game... it's the same crap just different country. And in regards to the anime... it severely declined once Misty left in my opinion. I miss the chick who wanted to be the best trainer instead of the new girl who always wants to be 'whatever the new thing for the gen is".

    this is exactly my point. What the hell did Kasumi do that was so important to the anime? Especially in Jouto? I should also add that "wanting to be the best water trainer" is pretty much the same damn thing as what Satoshi's trying to do except specialized in one (horribly redundant) type, and at least the "whatever the new thing for the gen is" bit (Contests in this case) lets a character have a concrete goal that can be differentiated from Satoshi's (even if they manage to use the same "collect stuff and go to a tournament" formula). Like I said, Kasumi managed to garner a few fans, and now those fans are just pissed that she's gone. And may I ask, aside from your favorite character being gone, just what is so bad about the newer sagas? Can they really be near as bad as the repetitively filler-plagued Jouto saga (which is, guess what, the last saga that had Kasumi as a regular)?
     

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    He Yamato, nobody thinks youre contributing to this thread in any way
     

    JX Valentine

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  • And I said that Satoshi rarely gets owned by Gym Leaders to begin with, which is why I was claiming that, comparitively-speaking, him getting beaten by female Leaders isn't as uncommon as you think.

    Um, saying that a rare occurrence isn't as uncommon as I would think would be what we in the English department call a "contradiction." If it happens rarely, then it happens rarely. I never said that it's rare in terms of the times Ash gets owned by a Gym Leader. I said it was rare in terms of the number of Gym battles Ash fought.

    Lila is the Frontier Brain of the Battle Tower. Technically not a Gym Leader, but the anime didn't do a damn thing to differentiate them anyway.

    She's still not a Gym Leader.
     

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    I know I'm not over eighteen or whatever, but I want to tell Yamato to stop using bad language as it really isn't helping him get his points across.

    Good day.
     
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    Yamato-san

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    He Yamato, nobody thinks youre contributing to this thread in any way

    uh huh... well, after saying something as xenophobic as this...

    @ Yamato-san: EEEEHWWWWWWW, why do you have a japanese name o.O!!?? OMGOMG!

    I don't think anything you say is worth giving a shit about.

    I know I'm not over eighteen or whatever, but I want to tell Yamato to stop using bad language as it really isn't helping him get his points across.

    Good day.

    not like I care anymore about what happens to my account in this shithole of a forum, but you can mind your own fucking business you barely teen-age prick. I curse, live with it, and if you're gonna go through life ignoring people on account of crude mannerisms and "OMG!!! U sed a sware!!!", then best of luck to you. You may end up overlooking potentially great advice in life over the most trivial of reasons and never come to the realization that your own reasoning ability is ironically worse than what you made of such people you abhor, but I sure as hell ain't gonna keep you from the path you choose.

    Good day.
     

    Prynze Roserade

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  • People, there is no such thing as an unoriginal Pokémon. Swellow is not the Pidgeot of Hoenn. swallows =/= pigeons. The first is super fast, has Guts and higher attack. The second is moderately fast, has balanced stats but crappy attack for a Normal-Flier.

    Exactly where do all these claims of unoriginality come from? "Oh the sabre-tooth came first, so today's cats are unoriginal?" HUH? Talk about lacking a logical brain much?

    I just ROTFLMAO whenever I hear stupid comments like, "Purugly copied Persian!" Ahahaha, right, right. Siamese cats copied Persian cats. LOL.

    That many of them have similar stats or serve similar purposes, fine, but don't tell me it's unoriginal. If it isn't exactly the same, it's not a copy. There's trillions of species of animals in the world, and Pokémon reflects that. So no, Delcatty and Purugly didn't copy your precious Persian, old Pokémon lovers. Your claims of "The 151 original ones" is nonsensical because every Pokémon is original. Just because dinosaurs lived before today's lizards that doesn't make them "the original ones".

    Regardless of how repetitive it may look (Pikachu, Plusle, Pachirisu), there's isn't an actual lack of originality. Those three are all rodents, so they're related, just like mice and squirrels are. If Nintendo decided they have to have such a Pokémon type every generation, then whatever, that's their business. The whole copycat or cheap imitation argument stands faulty, so don't even attempt it. LOL, squirrels copied mice. Riiiight. *pat pat*

    [Not directed at anyone in particular, hence lack of quotes. Just in general.]



    As for Yamato-san:

    I don't see what your problem with him is, folks. He made some very valid points that I agree with. So he likes using Japanese names, yeah? No-one cares; his typing proves he has a brain and can use it, so why judge him because of it? If he was a stoopid Wapanese, I'd know. I can spot that kind of virus without using a microscope and if I wasn't sure, I'd summon my friend Ince, who has a pHD on Wapanese extermination. :D
     

    Storm-DC

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    @ Prynze Roserade: i dont think different stats make a new pokemon. you cant deny that sentret, bidoof and zigzagzoon and the early birds are there in the first part of the game for the same reasons. so of course they are different, but still not original. there are a lot of unoriginal pokemon. in je koninkrijkje..
     

    Percy Thrillington

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    Ahaha. This was the worst reply I have ever seen in my life. Anyways, moving on.

    not like I care anymore about what happens to my account in this shithole of a forum,

    If it's such a bad forum, why do you frequent it?

    but you can mind your own fucking business you barely teen-age prick.

    Age does not measure intelligence.

    I curse, live with it, and if you're gonna go through life ignoring people on account of crude mannerisms and "OMG!!! U sed a sware!!!", then best of luck to you.

    I never said I had a problem with someone swearing, I was mainly telling you that it was unnccesary and would more than likely get you infracted.

    You may end up overlooking potentially great advice in life over the most trivial of reasons and never come to the realization that your own reasoning ability is ironically worse than what you made of such people you abhor, but I sure as hell ain't gonna keep you from the path you choose.

    I dislike judgemental people.

    Good day.

    Not really, you've been an annoyance and you've also managed to bring my day down a notch.
     
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    Storm-DC

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    anyway, no reason anymore why this would be an 18+ thread :P
     

    Prynze Roserade

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  • @ Prynze Roserade: i dont think different stats make a new pokemon. you cant deny that sentret, bidoof and zigzagzoon and the early birds are there in the first part of the game for the same reasons. so of course they are different, but still not original. there are a lot of unoriginal pokemon. in je koninkrijkje..

    Being there for the same reasons doesn't unoriginality make. Meganium and Torterra serve very similar purposes to Venusaur's (tanking), but that doesn't make them unoriginal in any way. Unless it looks the same, has the exact same type, the exact same ability, the exact same stats and the exact same movepool, it is not the same. All the Water-Ground types do pretty much the same thing, but I've never thought of Swampert as a copycat of Quagsire, or Gastrodon of Whiscash. Rattlesnakes and aspid cobras serve similar purposes (pest controls - mice, rats, etc.) but that doesn't make one or the other not original.
     

    Storm-DC

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    Being there for the same reasons doesn't unoriginality make. Meganium and Torterra serve very similar purposes to Venusaur's (tanking), but that doesn't make them unoriginal in any way. Unless it looks the same, has the exact same type, the exact same ability, the exact same stats and the exact same movepool, it is not the same. All the Water-Ground types do pretty much the same thing, but I've never thought of Swampert as a copycat of Quagsire, or Gastrodon of Whiscash. Rattlesnakes and aspid cobras serve similar purposes (pest controls - mice, rats, etc.) but that doesn't make one or the other not original.

    then we have a different opinion (i think torterra is very, very unoriginal, but it looks cool anyway), but thats okay :)
     
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    I'm 21, and have been a fan of Pokemon since it hit the States in 1999. I remember watching the anime first, and getting excited about the games with each passing day.

    Blessed, what were we supposed to be talking about in this thread?

    I don't really have a favorite original episode, since Master Quest is my favorite season. But, if forced to choose, I would say the third episode "Ash Catches A Pokemon" or the ninth episode "School of Hard Knocks!" Only because I enjoyed the storyline of those two episodes.

    Oh, dur. Completely forgot about the eighth episode "The Path To The Pokemon League". A.J. and his Sandshrew were my favorite characters back in the day. I still have my Pokemon lunch box with A.J. on it. So, I'll say that that episode is my favorite from the old days. I remember being really upset when I thought I had missed it. xD

    I'm no longer into Pokemon. I haven't touched my Pearl version in months, nor have I seen an episode of the anime recently. Well, a new episode. I just watched my favorite episodes of Master Quest the other day.

    And now to bow out of here.
     

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    14 didnt rally like pokemon that much only the old stuff but now im a really good experienced trainer
     
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