4th Gen Game Corners are not available in European Platinum

[Ineffable~]

Still not quite relevant. Nintendo of America is responsible for translation and release of the games, not The Pokémon Company. Hell, they're still under the same subsidiary of Nintendo. The merger will, in all likeliness, cause little change in the teams responsible for the distribution of Pokémon franchisees.

Nintendo of Europe is responsible for the edits. (Oh, and they're Germany-based, so edits that occur might just be a result of the laws there.)

Nononononononono, I'm not talking about that. I was just saying to Demonmike that, when he wanted to support the European branch, that it was a pointless endeavor. It's nothing about me thinking the U.S. version will change.

And by the way, everyone. I think you're all overthinking this. The reason this happened is probably all because of new stupid European laws, and the Ofcom stepping in. This happens all the time in the U.S. and Europe alike. The FCC finds out there's another thing it can ban and it automatically jumps at the opportunity. Ofcom, like the FCC, doesn't seem to care about the past at all. Even if the Game Corner was no trouble in Pokemon Diamond and Pearl, Ofcom is glad to shut down some form, any form, of entertainment, as long as it satisfies the British government that it's doing something.

I apologize if I offended anyone here. This is just the way I see it, as that's the way the FCC mainly works. I can't think it would be much different.

 

[Mimikyu402]

I just checked both my platinum and my friends platinum(both european version) and even though bulbapedia says you can buy explosion in the Eu version , it is not on the list of coin excahange tms so thats a fault on bulbapedias side

 

[Anjiru]

It's very sad that they changed.. it was a very funny part of the game...

To find everyday some coins there, because someone lost isn't THAT awesome...

 

[Mitchman]

The fact that they did this only for the pegi rating to stay 3+ is mind boggling. Why didn't they do this with DP then?

 

[The Confuzzler]

I am lucky i imported the American version. Seriously, is PEGI stupid or something? All the other games have had the Game Corner, and even though i don't use it, i just find it as stupid as a fish living on land.

PEGI are way too overprotective. I mean, ist not like some randon NPC goes:

LAWL ITS LIEK, TEH GAME C0RNER IS SO ADDICTIVE! USE ALL YER MUNNEHZ!!!!!!1111eleventy

Gawd, and the Game Corner is barely gambling, it's more like a trainers play-park for TMs.

I mean, its not got Poker, Racing of any kind, bets. All it has is a slot machine with cute little Poke pictures? And taht means it deserves to be a 12+

Just.. wow >.>

 

[Zelda]

I am lucky i imported the American version. Seriously, is PEGI stupid or something? All the other games have had the Game Corner, and even though i don't use it, i just find it as stupid as a fish living on land.

PEGI are way too overprotective. I mean, ist not like some randon NPC goes:

LAWL ITS LIEK, TEH GAME C0RNER IS SO ADDICTIVE! USE ALL YER MUNNEHZ!!!!!!1111eleventy

Gawd, and the Game Corner is barely gambling, it's more like a trainers play-park for TMs.

I mean, its not got Poker, Racing of any kind, bets. All it has is a slot machine with cute little Poke pictures? And taht means it deserves to be a 12+

Just.. wow >.>

What I marked in bold, is what I agree with. I can understand it could be similar to gambling, but barely. It's not even really close to real gambling. They made the TM available there because it is a bit more harder to get it there, and for the fun of it.

Though, Europe has come out with new laws I think, and that is probably why the Game Corner slots were not available to play anymore.

 

[Ineffable~]

I just checked both my platinum and my friends platinum(both european version) and even though bulbapedia says you can buy explosion in the Eu version , it is not on the list of coin excahange tms so thats a fault on bulbapedias side

Actually, you don't buy it from the exchange counter, you get it if you complete 10 bonus rounds. (Which is impossible in the European version.) And this isn't a Bulbapedia comment page... :/

 

[Fire Eagle]

I would say that is true that the Europeans don't like young people to gamble on a video game.

 

[demonmike]

The fact that they did this only for the pegi rating to stay 3+ is mind boggling. Why didn't they do this with DP then?

I've been looking into this, but it seems that every game with gambling in rating by PEGI will always be rated at a minimum of 12+. Why this was not enforced in DP is unknown, what could be argued is they took the Pokemon name as a hint it should be 3+ without taking the time to review the contents, but what I feel is most likely the case is the fact that the game corner would no longer be an isolated gambling game in the Pokemon Platinum version.

As far as I can remember, in every version up until now, there is only one area in each game that gambling can be done. Sure, in the 3rd generation R/S/E games there was 2 games in the games corner, but that was in one place (And the fact back then, rules may have been different for ratings). But in Platinum, not only do you have the Game Corner in which you can gamble your in game money in, but you have the Scratch Card's, which you gamble with a different ingame currency, battle points, your winnings in the Battle Frontier.

I imagine this is one of the only reasons for it, every game I've checked with the Gambling rating has more than 2 or more gambling area's/games (Remember earlier that although R/S/E had 2 games, regulations may have been different years ago), so Nintendo came up with the idea that seeing as you can buy casino points, you cannot buy battle points, so the scratch cards should remain because the prizes available are worth the points and some berries are only available there.

 

[Zelda]

I've been looking into this, but it seems that every game with gambling in rating by PEGI will always be rated at a minimum of 12+. Why this was not enforced in DP is unknown, what could be argued is they took the Pokemon name as a hint it should be 3+ without taking the time to review the contents, but what I feel is most likely the case is the fact that the game corner would no longer be an isolated gambling game in the Pokemon Platinum version.

As far as I can remember, in every version up until now, there is only one area in each game that gambling can be done. Sure, in the 3rd generation R/S/E games there was 2 games in the games corner, but that was in one place (And the fact back then, rules may have been different for ratings). But in Platinum, not only do you have the Game Corner in which you can gamble your in game money in, but you have the Scratch Card's, which you gamble with a different ingame currency, battle points, your winnings in the Battle Frontier.

I imagine this is one of the only reasons for it, every game I've checked with the Gambling rating has more than 2 or more gambling area's/games (Remember earlier that although R/S/E had 2 games, regulations may have been different years ago), so Nintendo came up with the idea that seeing as you can buy casino points, you cannot buy battle points, so the scratch cards should remain because the prizes available are worth the points and some berries are only available there.

What I marked in bold is right. Although, I do think it is because of how Europe got new laws. I guess for those who want to play in the Game Corner, they can depend on Diamond and/or Pearl to play it. At least that way Diamond and Pearl won't be there for no use. It's also a good way to trade the TM into Platinum. They could always buy the American Version for use as well.

If the Scratch Cards were gone then that would be ridiculous. They just got it in the game, so I think they should leave it there for a while.

The Game Corner has been around for so many years...now they decide to take it out in the Europe version? It's really silly and they should've thought about it very well, a long time ago. That way we wouldn't have to be sitting around here wondering why they took it out now, why didn't they take it out before, and much more.

 

[ggctuk]

No slots in the UK, you must have imported it. I love the way they worded it though. Sounded much like theft-by-finding, which, if I recall, is illegal in the UK - they did some poor kid for finding a mobile in the street and handing it in as lost property.

 

[demonmike]

Well just got a reply with PEGI and they helpfully supplied me with the questionnaire used to accurately rate their games and it does indeed confirm anything with the gambling icon (which Platinum would of apparently qualified for) would have instantly became a 12 regardless of everything else.

Moving images that encourage and/or teach the use of games of chance that are played/carried out as a traditional means of gambling:

This refers to types of betting or gambling for money that is normally played/carried out in casinos, gambling halls, racetracks. This does not cover games where betting or gambling is simply part of the general storyline. The game must actually teach the player how to gamble or bet and/or encourage the player to want to gamble or bet for money in real life. For example this will include games that teach the player how to play card games that are usually played for money or how to play the odds in horse racing

Basically, because the casino where the gambling machines are held at is stand alone, not required in the overall story and somewhat the great winnings you'd require if you played it properly in order to gain the high priced TM's, this I do agree with is encouragement to gamble. Another form of encouragement is also the fact coins stored in the coin case are mainly used to operate the slots and have no story line relevance.

This is why the scratch cards cant get away with it. Its not in an overall obvious gambling area, its out in the open and the fact you can buy them with a currency earned via an extended but optional story line and there are other choices you can use your BP on.

I'm going to have scale myself back on the importing first party games, was a bit drastic and looking at this, although no one I know looks at age ratings, I imagine there are some parents out there who will look at the gambling icon and tell their kids its not for them. I will be importing Pokemon games from now on though, I'd much rather have the casino's. Lets just hope the HG/SS do not have the DSi region locking technology incorporated within them.

 

[Zelda]

Well just got a reply with PEGI and they helpfully supplied me with the questionnaire used to accurately rate their games and it does indeed confirm anything with the gambling icon (which Platinum would of apparently qualified for) would have instantly became a 12 regardless of everything else.



Basically, because the casino where the gambling machines are held at is stand alone, not required in the overall story and somewhat the great winnings you'd require if you played it properly in order to gain the high priced TM's, this I do agree with is encouragement to gamble. Another form of encouragement is also the fact coins stored in the coin case are mainly used to operate the slots and have no story line relevance.

This is why the scratch cards cant get away with it. Its not in an overall obvious gambling area, its out in the open and the fact you can buy them with a currency earned via an extended but optional story line and there are other choices you can use your BP on.

I'm going to have scale myself back on the importing first party games, was a bit drastic and looking at this, although no one I know looks at age ratings, I imagine there are some parents out there who will look at the gambling icon and tell their kids its not for them. I will be importing Pokemon games from now on though, I'd much rather have the casino's. Lets just hope the HG/SS do not have the DSi region locking technology incorporated within them.

I presume this could elucidate almost everything on why the Game Slots are not accessible to participate in. Although the Game Corner made the game a smidge more fun, at least we have things to be fond of such as the Battle Frontier, scratch cards, contests, and so forth.

The scratch cards can be considered gambling, except it earns you battle points. There are other things that you can gain battle points with, but maybe if they could add an extensive path to the storyline to get them as you said. Something that wouldn't involve gambling at all, but instead, make it just as fun as the scratch cards. The Wi-Fi Plaza has mini-games and if they could insert something similar to that to obtain battle points, I wouldn't mind at all. As for the Game Corner, as an alternative of it just sitting there, they could substitute it with something else. That is also a way you can get your TM's again. However, the American Version would be omitted out.


I comprehend and understand why they did this in the EU version now, but hopefully they can leave the Game Corner just the way it is now in the American Versions.

 

[Ineffable~]

Well, with the scratchcards, you spend battle points, and maybe receive a Nugget or a common berry. Battle points are a type of currency, but does it really count as gambling if you already know you don't receive any currency as a prize?

 

[Zelda]

Well, with the scratchcards, you spend battle points, and maybe receive a Nugget or a common berry. Battle points are a type of currency, but does it really count as gambling if you already know you don't receive any currency as a prize?

Well yes you don't receive any currency, but it's still a type of gambling. The scratch cards could encourage people to play it and spend their Battle Points to get those prizes. It really doesn't have to be currency to be considered gambling. There are a various amount of ways you can gamble, and it's not all for the money. It could be for game prizes, food [lol], and etcetera. I can comprehend how the Game Corner is considered gambling now since you're wasting money on coins which is precisely like betting.

 

[Ineffable~]

Meh, I was thinking that too, I just didn't know what kind of gambling raises the game's rating... because gambling could be anything...

(Like, when you're buying a game like FRLG, you're taking the ultimate gamble that it'll be fun and not a total waste of your money.... lol I love bashing that crappy game. 0.0)

 

[Zelda]

Meh, I was thinking that too, I just didn't know what kind of gambling raises the game's rating... because gambling could be anything...

(Like, when you're buying a game like FRLG, you're taking the ultimate gamble that it'll be fun and not a total waste of your money.... lol I love bashing that crappy game. 0.0)

It can be, but keep in mind that gambling is about betting with your money, or doing something that can encourage young children to do if they play it in a game.

That's irrelevant to gambling. Gambling is something to where you bet your money or bet something, on a certain thing. Buying games is a choice of yours, and it is not similar to gambling too much because with gambling you have to keep betting, while with buying a game such as Diamond, you only need to pay the price it has on the price tag and nothing higher than that + tax.

Perhaps that's the reason why the Game Slots were non-playable. They probably found it addicting as you are spending your money on coins and at the same time, getting yourself in courage to do those things in real life. Though if the parents care about the age ratings for the games then fortunately, they are in luck that the Game Slots were removed in the EU versions because if the Game Slots were still playable, then the child might've not been able to get the game.

As for the TM's I guess they can get them via trades, or perhaps they can trade the TM's from Diamond or Pearl, to Platinum. That would involve a second DS if they don't already have one though.

I personally think this has something to do with Europe's new laws though. Either way, I think this is something worth it. If the people want to play the Game Slots then they can play it in Diamond or Pearl [if they have those games] instead. Or they could possibly play it in the older versions of pokémon.

The only thing I wouldn't want to happen is the Game Corner being removed in the American Versions. If that were to happen, they might as well remove the whole thing. I don't play the slots much, but it does keep me occupied when I am bored.

So technically the EU versions won't have the Game Corner in, but at least we can still play them in a various amount of ways...

 

[demonmike]

(Like, when you're buying a game like FRLG, you're taking the ultimate gamble that it'll be fun and not a total waste of your money.... lol I love bashing that crappy game. 0.0)

And the award for the worst joke cracked on this forum goes to..

Took the idea of gambling too literal, refer to the post above (Thanks Morning Bliss)

But ignoring that, FRLG were awesome games.

 

[Ineffable~]

And the award for the worst joke cracked on this forum goes to..

Took the idea of gambling too literal, refer to the post above (Thanks Morning Bliss)

But ignoring that, FRLG were awesome games.

I know what gambling is, I'm not that stupid. I was kidding. That's why it's in parentheses.

 

[demonmike]

I know what gambling is, I'm not that stupid. I was kidding. That's why it's in parentheses.

Oh I know you know about gambling, I was just stating how god awful your joke was. And the offtopic talk ends now.

I doubt America will follow suit with the launch of HG/SS as long as there isnt any changes with the ESRB rating policies. Although I could be wrong seeing as theres been a partnership between Pokemon Comapny in America with Nintendo Europe..