Pokemon Ruby, Sapphire, & Emerald Remake Speculation Thread

[Sydian]

And that would constitute N being a playable character because...?

 

[voicerocker]

Here's a wild thought: What if they remake Ruby, Sapphire, AND Emerald? Makes more sense because the games are so different. Plus, more games equals more money some people believe.

I'm convinced there is no set timeline in Pokemon outside of the obvious ones, like B2/W2 being after B/W. But Wallace wouldn't be Champion in Ruby and Sapphire remakes. Remakes change very little from the original games, which is evident from the Gen 1 and 2 remakes.

And N being a player character for remakes? That makes no sense.

 

[Xander Olivieri]

Battle Frontier didn't exist until Emerald when Scott made the very first one, and then there was a second one under construction in Johto as well as one in Platinum. Since the Hoenn Battle Frontier was made first the two Foruth Generation ones would be after them.

If placement of Remakes and Generation Main games didn't play any part then DPPt and HGSS aren't related by the same theory. Both games had references to the other games or characters to the other games while in the series. Hoenn's story would have to be before HGSS's Storyline as they were building a Battle Frontier in Johto and the Battle Frontier existed in Hoenn first.

As for why Magma/Aqua weren't mentioned, their methods were different than what Plasma was trying to do so there was no point in following them. Aqua/Magma were just "Expand the Sea/Land"! Plasma, Rocket, and Galactic were all "Take over the World". They weren't as big as the other teams, nor as Evil so not worth merit.

 

[Bluerang1]

If you look at the scan there are only Kanto, Johto & Sinnoh leaders.. there are no Hoenn leaders which may be for a reason or just as a limitation, however for all we know there may be no Hoenn gym leaders in the World Tournament. They have the sprites for the Kanto & Johto leaders from HGSS, same goes for the Sinnoh leaders from DPPT but they can't rip the sprites from RSE into BW it's just too outdated and Steven appeared in HGSS so his sprite is kind of rendered up to date but they would have to remake all the sprites for them which would be time consuming hence why they didn't re-create the sprites for the Kanto, Johto & Sinnoh leaders. My theory is that they are waiting for the remakes to "revamp" the Hoenn leader sprites and as previously stated if the Hoenn leaders do make an appearance it doesn't rule out remakes, it's not like it's using the storyline with Team Magma & Aqua, the features etc.

*My theory. Haha. But yes I'm sure many of us are thinking the same thing.

 

[Xander Olivieri]

Its also the first media coverage of the World Tournament. They aren't going to tell us everything in one go. Look at Pokewood. It appeared in an earlier Coro Coro and we got small snippits now we have more details about it.

They can still add the Hoenn Gym Leaders seeing as we already have the Hoenn Champion, that kinda rules out the Hoenn is too far for them to travel thing. Besides that we don't know exactly how far Kanto/Johto and Sinnoh are from Unova. For all we know Hoenn may be the closest.

 

[C Payne]

Aren't Janine and Blaine also known to be part of the Tournament now, too though?

 

[wombateiro]

It was never said when when Hoenn's Battle Frontier was built. It most likely existed before Emerald's storyline, which means before R/S as well even if it wasn't introduced in those games. Battle Tower from R/S is counterpart of Battle Frontier.

R/S remakes will most likely include most of Emerald's changes - two of them would be Wallace as Champion and Battle Frontier. If R/S/E happened before B2/W2, Wallace would be at World Tournament, not Steven. It's doubtful that Steven would return to Champion title because it was clearly indicated in Emerald that he wasn't interested in being Champion.
So imo it makes the most sense that B2/W2 happened before R/S/E. That would also make R/S remakes serving as storyline continuation after B2/W2 which would be nice.

Also, it's very possible that in R/S remakes Steven will be rematchable in Meteor Falls. It's very annoying in Emerald that he isn't rematchable.

 

[blue]

Also, it's very possible that in R/S remakes Steven will be rematchable in Meteor Falls. It's very annoying in Emerald that he isn't rematchable.

In GSC, the leaders & Elite Four members were not rematchable, however they fixed this in HGSS so it's just as easy for them to implement Emerald features into the remakes and then more features that have been released over later games which will most likely include rematches in a new area as they did in HGSS & FRLG.

 

[Xander Olivieri]

It was never said when when Hoenn's Battle Frontier was built. It most likely existed before Emerald's storyline, which means before R/S as well even if it wasn't introduced in those games. Battle Tower from R/S is counterpart of Battle Frontier.

That can't be possible as in Emerald, Scott was recruiting people to battle in his new, one of a kind battle facility. That's why he kept appearing during every major event, he was scouting Brendan/May. He was looking for trainers to test his Battle Frontier during the story and invites the PC at the end.

Scott did own and operate the first Battle Frontier.

 

[wombateiro]

That can't be possible as in Emerald, Scott was recruiting people to battle in his new, one of a kind battle facility. That's why he kept appearing during every major event, he was scouting Brendan/May. He was looking for trainers to test his Battle Frontier during the story and invites the PC at the end.

Scott did own and operate the first Battle Frontier.

Scott was looking for real talents, not for any trainers to test his Frontier, there's difference. There is nothing saying that his Frontier was just built, more of that, that Frontier is full of people when player arrives there, looking like it was operating for some time. It all makes impression that Scott was bored of looking at mediocre trainers for a long time. That's why he decided to look for real talents, and he found Brendan/May.

Emerald's BF was first in Pokemon history, so character like Scott was created to make introduction to that kind of new facility. If first BF was created in any other game, character like Scott would appear in that game. His appearance has nothing to do with timeline, especially when he doesn't say anything about his Frontier being newly built.

 

[C Payne]

It was never said when when Hoenn's Battle Frontier was built. It most likely existed before Emerald's storyline, which means before R/S as well even if it wasn't introduced in those games. Battle Tower from R/S is counterpart of Battle Frontier.

That's one of the things that isn't setting well, RS and E were supposed to have happened at the same time(which wouldn't be possible, seeing the different scenarios) so it'll be interesting how stuff plays out.

My guess would be that it probably was finished just before the gen takes place; that would allow it to get populated over time(the storyline) while Scott is looking talents/trainers to really test it out.

@ the above post

He obviously was looking for trainers (as well) because he popped up around your battles at times before eventually 'thinking' that maybe you were one of the ones he could invite to the facilities. It probably didn't have many people who he thought would give the brains a run for their money, or many who were remotely interesting to watch anyway.

R/S remakes will most likely include most of Emerald's changes - two of them would be Wallace as Champion and Battle Frontier. If R/S/E happened before B2/W2, Wallace would be at World Tournament, not Steven. It's doubtful that Steven would return to Champion title because it was clearly indicated in Emerald that he wasn't interested in being Champion.
So imo it makes the most sense that B2/W2 happened before R/S/E. That would also make R/S remakes serving as storyline continuation after B2/W2 which would be nice.

Don't count Steven out entirely though. If they really are going to 'blend', you can't say for sure what will be what, except the main basics of the story of course. If BW is of any meaning, like has been thought before, we could be seeing different 'end' characters depending on the version.

Btw, the remakes would not be storyline continuation of BW(2) because: They are not the same region, they do not involve the same characters, the story is nowhere near the same. You're talking about the 'timeline', of which we don't even have an official.

One more thing, I think they'd not want to have the same problem as before by having both the last gym and the champion using the same types; that's the issue I see there with Wallace(no offense to him or Juan).

Also, it's very possible that in R/S remakes Steven will be rematchable in Meteor Falls. It's very annoying in Emerald that he isn't rematchable.

More than likely all gym leaders and obviously the E4 will be rematchable; especially since the Pokenav allowed it before. Speaking of which...remember how all of the gym leaders 'refined' their gyms before you were able to rematch them(limits probably didn't allow it to be done physically), so do you think we could possibly see different layouts each time?

 

[wombateiro]

My guess would be that it probably was finished just before the gen takes place; that would allow it to get populated over time(the storyline) while Scott is looking talents/trainers to really test it out.

@ the above post

He obviously was looking for trainers (as well) because he popped up around your battles at times before eventually 'thinking' that maybe you were one of the ones he could invite to the facilities. It probably didn't have many people who he thought would give the brains a run for their money, or many who were remotely interesting to watch anyway.

If he really wanted to advertise his Frontier to everyone, he would be giving speeches to big groups of people. But he was silently observing, looking for real talents. That indicates his Frontier must have been built and known for a long time before R/S/E storyline and didn't need to be advertised anymore.
Battle Frontier doesn't prove anything about timeline. On the other hand, Steven being still Champion in B2/W2 gives very strong possibility for B2/W2 taking place before R/S/E.

One more thing, I think they'd not want to have the same problem as before by having both the last gym and the champion using the same types; that's the issue I see there with Wallace(no offense to him or Juan).

If that's really a problem, Steven could be Champion in the first run. In post-game he could be replaced by Wallace, move to Meteor Falls and have higher leveled Pokemon than before. Imo Steven suits better as powerful trainer in deserted place, rather than official Champion. Even in Emerald and HG/SS it's indicated that he prefers traveling and collecting rocks rather than being Champion.

 

[mcflurry777]

I'd think about it. Ruby and Sapphire are a good number three and number 4 on my favorite pokemon games played. Behind Pokemon White and Pokemon Crystal - which is my number 1. A little off topic here but, any news if they'll make a remake of Crystal? :D

 

[ReleaseYourPokemon]

And that would constitute N being a playable character because...?

it could be a sequel to Black 2 and White 2

 

[Sydian]

it could be a sequel to Black 2 and White 2

If you're remaking a game to, you know, redo a game and make it up to date and such, but not change the story, then there's no way it would be a sequel to B2W2. If you're going to say things like "N should be playable in RS remakes" at least try to come up with a reason. A good and viable reason.

I'd think about it. Ruby and Sapphire are a good number three and number 4 on my favorite pokemon games played. Behind Pokemon White and Pokemon Crystal - which is my number 1. A little off topic here but, any news if they'll make a remake of Crystal?

Yeah. That is off topic. And they did. It's called HeartGold and SoulSilver. It has most, if not all, of what set Crystal apart from GS.

 

[C Payne]

If he really wanted to advertise his Frontier to everyone, he would be giving speeches to big groups of people. But he was silently observing, looking for real talents. That indicates his Frontier must have been built and known for a long time before R/S/E storyline and didn't need to be advertised anymore.
Battle Frontier doesn't prove anything about timeline. On the other hand, Steven being still Champion in B2/W2 gives very strong possibility for B2/W2 taking place before R/S/E.

What are you talking about though? I was merely mentioning my own thought on when it could have been finished, not that it had to have had any meaning with a timeline.

Also, did you happen to have some special version not accessible to everyone else that involved you traveling with Scott 24/7? Who's to say that he didn't do a fair amount of advertising in his travels, while we aren't around? Why would he just go around 'stalking' certain people only? It makes little sense for him to just walk around and only talk to a few people. Imo, he probably did a fair amount of advertising, etc.(all over of course) and when someone catches his attention, he kind of 'makes note of them' as specific ones he wants to keep his eye on when he can.

Not gonna go into more of this timeline stuff, though, as it doesn't matter with the remakes anyways, imo.

If that's really a problem, Steven could be Champion in the first run. In post-game he could be replaced by Wallace, move to Meteor Falls and have higher leveled Pokemon than before. Imo Steven suits better as powerful trainer in deserted place, rather than official Champion. Even in Emerald and HG/SS it's indicated that he prefers traveling and collecting rocks rather than being Champion.

That's what I see, if we don't get a mix up there depending on the version; Steven at least being Champion until we arrive the first time around. Maybe he'll decide that it isn't for him then and decide to pass it down to Wallace or whatever.

 

[voicerocker]

If you've already defeated Wallace as a Gym Leader for the badge, why replace him later if you already have that badge? And why change the champion to some you've already beaten?

They aren't going to change the games that much if they are remade. They didnt change much from the last two remakes. You can't ask for titles that say Ruby and Sapphire, but then ask them to totally change them. They wouldn't be "Remakes" then.

 

[wombateiro]

If you've already defeated Wallace as a Gym Leader for the badge, why replace him later if you already have that badge? And why change the champion to some you've already beaten?

They aren't going to change the games that much if they are remade. They didnt change much from the last two remakes. You can't ask for titles that say Ruby and Sapphire, but then ask them to totally change them. They wouldn't be "Remakes" then.

Juan could be Gym Leader. Wallace could be his student and would become Champion in post-game, after Steven would give up because of not being interested in fighting. This storyline would be realization of what Juan says in Emerald that he was original Leader of Sootopolis and that Wallace was his student.

You can't say how much GF will change in R/S remakes because they didn't remake so far games with differences as advanced as in R/S/E. I'd say they will implement Emerald's changes because they will make R/S remakes more expanded than original R/S.
Actually, GF did change important thing from G/S while making HG/SS - Suicune is not freely roaming legendary like it was in original G/S. They decided to implement Suicune's story from Crystal because it was more expanded.

 

[Xander Olivieri]

Juan could be Gym Leader. Wallace could be his student and would become Champion in post-game, after Steven would give up because of not being interested in fighting. This storyline would be realization of what Juan says in Emerald that he was original Leader of Sootopolis and that Wallace was his student.

You can't say how much GF will change in R/S remakes because they didn't remake so far games with differences as advanced as in R/S/E. I'd say they will implement Emerald's changes because they will make R/S remakes more expanded than original R/S.
Actually, GF did change important thing from G/S while making HG/SS - Suicune is not freely roaming legendary like it was in original G/S. They decided to implement Suicune's story from Crystal because it was more expanded.

That really doesn't mean anything. The Main stories do not change far past the original games. They add some smaller stories to it, but for the most part the games are identical up until the extra information. If they remake Ruby/Sapphire Wallace would be a Gym Leader as he was in RS and Steven would be the Champion because that's how the original games played out.

 

[wombateiro]

That really doesn't mean anything. The Main stories do not change far past the original games. They add some smaller stories to it, but for the most part the games are identical up until the extra information. If they remake Ruby/Sapphire Wallace would be a Gym Leader as he was in RS and Steven would be the Champion because that's how the original games played out.

Going by this logic, they shouldn't change all three Legendary Dogs freely roaming Johto because they are part of original G/S.

You say that only because GF hasn't remade games differing from each other like R/S differ from E. I'd say they will make R/S remakes as fusions of R/S and E because they always fuse stories as much as it's possible. GF doesn't care if remakes are close to originals. They just care about originals' stories being as much mixed with third versions as they can be.
Mixing stories is always better than just redoing the same storyline from originals. Even director of GF in HG/SS says the same thing.