I know I was talking about SpecsMence, but Blissey can't be sure it is SpecsMence until it goes, which means that it isn't a safe switch into Draco Meteor initially.
You were talking solely about Specsmence, and i assumed said blissey knew this.
Also, you are over hyping Outrage. It locks you in (actually somebody did just that against my OFFENSIVE team and Garchomp said hi to Mamo's Ice Sahrd =D) which is a price to pay. Draco Meteor is more powerful and grants you the ability to switch. Heck, I'd prefer even Dragon Claw on Chomp as it can run off at the sight of Mamoswine or Weavile. It may be powerful, but its drawbacks are significant.
Why am i over hyping Outrage 120 BP attack thats ONLY resisted by steels. Ice Shard isnt even reliable, Yache Berry, and sandveil, even though you've made the best possible decision WITH using Ice Shard, you miss, or the damage has been nerved, kthnxbai. No other pokemon it this game breaking, you could argue Dragonite, but as i said it DOESNT have sand veil and is weak to SR, deny this as much as you like, buts its HUGE and needs to be accounted for. Dragonite is also weak to Rock whilst Garchomp resists it.
Also your making is SOUND as though it HAS to use Outrage, it has other moves on its set also.
As for Gyarados, you can't just assume it's going to take SR damage. Besides, the only pokemon that can really counter Gyarados without thunderbolt are Tangrowth and Celebi. Nobody uses Tangrowth and Celebi dies if Stone Edge ch's.
Again, SR IS a factor, so you cant say "lol SR doesnt exist".
Shamin, leafeon also?
Tangrowth is BL, so people DO use it.
Also, you say SD Gliscor can't sweep teams and is easily walled. I agree with that, but by your logic, Ice Beam could miss three times and EQ could take out the random bulky water. Say "IF it hits" all you want, but I have heard of a pokemon called Abomasnow and I have seen Rain Dancers and sunny day abusers running around. Besides, there's a chance Garchomp won't even have SS support with it. Even if it does, 80% is pretty good.
So why should we all have to run a weather team to counter this ?
80% is Luck based, this is exactly the argument WHY things can be up for nomination in uber initially.
Dont even say other accuracy modifing pokemon abilities, ive listed counters for those.
Ive yet to see a 100% sure fire to chomp.
Also, Hippowdon and Donphan do well against the choice set, and if the opposing player is stupid and uses Outrage, hello random steel to laugh at you! Cresselia is also effective against Garchomp in general. Anything without a Yache Berry it beats, and even things with a Yache Berry take 50% damage from Ice Beam and are susceptible to revenge kills. Bulky waters do well against non-Yache SDchomp as well.
Hippowdon yes, but still it brings SS into the match which activated Sand Veil, Donphans weak un stabbed Ice Shard is a 3hko, and it has no reliable recovery move, so it cant switch in.
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Anyways, I think you need to read this so listen up:
I think the "no counters" argument is rubbish. Garchomp does have counters believe it or not, Cresselia being the best. If you speak of CB Outrage, have fun giving Heatran a free switch to Dragon Pulse you to your grave, or you give Skarmory a few layers of Spikes. otherwise, it is walled.
You going to actually have to switch Cressy into chomp to find out what set its running by which time its kinda too late.
Your also forgetting that it can be locked into Outrage for JUST 2 turns, by which time Heatran comes in its going to be done, thus being able to switch out and now your left with a half health cressy and a Heatran. So nothing can come back next turn without dieing to a well predicted move. This is also kinda luck based if your hoping its going to be locked into Outrage for 3 turns
Again "CB Chomp it beaten through prediction" cant we say this about all pokemon ? How is skarm gonna counter ANY chomp set, Fire Blast owns it, as does Fire Fang.
Let's just say Garchomp DOES have no counters. Okay, so it doesn't. Like Aquillae mentioned though, neither do several other OU threats, so if that is the only thing pushing Garchomp towards ubers, then Garchomp is obviously OU (I'm not saying it is, just read on...)
Like uncounterable OUs like Gallade, Heracross, and Machamp, Garchomp does not over centralize the metagame - we all can agree on that. We now turn to the last and IMO the least important criteria for an uber pokemon: luck.
What ? Spiritoms says hi to Gallade, Crobat can beat Hera (Only SD burn orb versions) as does Gliscor, even Weezing (unless its a Burn Orb, in which case i mentioned Crobat).
Weezing walls Machamp without Facade and Cress walls machamp without Payback =)
All these pokemon are slow aswell, and you dont have to beat 333 minimum so can be easily revenge killed.
In other words, the only real difference between Garchomp and other uncounterable OUs is luck. That's essentially saying that because Garchomp has Sand Veil and SS MIGHT be active and an attack MIGHT miss, Garchomp is uber? That doesn't make sense to me. In case you don't get what I mean (since I AM bad at wording things >_>), I'll explain briefly:
No, you still havent mentioned a sure fire counter.
Over Centalization: Garchomp does not over centralize the metagame. Uncounterable high OUs do not over centralize the metagame.
Yes, but it does overcentralise the metagame more than most things, Im not saying ZMFG overcentralise but it still does, for example being able to at least beat 333 speed, or have Ice Shard, having a steel to absorb outrage.
No Counters: Garchomp has no counters (though I disagree with that, I'll let that slide for now). Many high OUs have no counters (AKA uncounterable high OUs).
Id like to see another poke with no counters.
Luck: Garchomp has luck on its side. Uncounterable high OUs do not.
Like what ?
The bolded part is the ONLY difference. Without Sand Veil, Garchomp is just like other high OUs. What Garchomp can do to its "counters" doesn't even matter since other OUs can do the same. The ONLy difference is that luck factor. I certainly agree Ice Beam missing is annoying, but is it REALLY a good enough reason to BAN something to the uber tier?
Its really not the only difference. No, your completely missing the point, Dragon, Ground and Fire cover everything in the game for at least neutral. Whilst alot of pokemon can grant the same coverage, they still ARE Wall-able. Chomp is not, all its so called counters can be at least 2hko'd and therefore arnt really counters at all.
Its not just luck either.
Think about it...
Sand Veil give Garchomp a 20% chance of evading a 100% accuracy attack. That means that every 4 out of 5 attacks you use will hit (statistically speaking). We must remember that a SS might not even be taking place and that many pokemon change the weather (Kingdra, for example).
=/ Yay, lets ALL use Kingdra, T-Tar and Hippow Can change it back INSTANTLY.
I'm sorry, but banning Garchomp to ubers just because your move MIGHT miss IF a SS is going on is not a good enough reason to ban it.
If and might are still luck based. Why do you think we BAN Brightpowder, its game breaking, same with chomp.