Request an Individual Move Set Thread

[Romo_Owens]

Patience, yes. But patience within reason?

EV training is one thing. EV training is by no means unreasonably time-consuming, if done right it may not even take a day.

But breeding for IVs or natures? That's quite another. The sheer randomness of it makes this an incredible task. MONTHS could be spent getting Pokemon with good IVs, and even then it may not even have the right nature! This takes no skill at all other than extreme endurance, and for what? You also might finally go into battle with it and discover it sucks, wasting the entire effort. This is my problem with competitive play on the real games, you need to spend months of your life to get the right Pokemon. And this is a game.
To me this isn't patience, this is masochism. The only skill you show is being able to devote massive amounts of your time. Nothing creative or anything.

If there was a way to compensate for low IVs, like additional EV training with the aid of an item, then I wouldn't have this issue. (though making natures through breeding less random-- with more of an effect than the Everstone-- would also help)
You just can't expect most people to be willing to drain that kind of time away.

Uhh... how much time have I spent on route 206? Up and Down, Up and Down for hours and hours on end to constantly hatch dozens of eggs with the wrong IVs and Nature.

I'm about to start training a Swampert, and I've thought of exactly what I'mn going to do, but I need one more move and I'm trying to Decide what it is. Can someone please help me out?

Swampert @ Leftovers

-Waterfall
-Earthquake
-Curse
-Roar/Rest/Toxic/Substitute/Avalanche

-Basically, I've chosen a cursepert set. Waterfall and Earthquake cover every pokemon except Grass types and Flying/Levitating Electric or Water types:
In OU:
-Zapdos
-Gyarados
-Tangrowth
-Breloom
-Celebi
The last moveset can be used for either extra type coverage from Avalanche to be able to hit those above pokemon, it can be used for Roar, to get rid of Garchomps and other pokemon who have gained a boost, I can use it for Toxic to screw up walls and to have something to do against those above pokemon, or I can use it for rest or substitute for obvious reasons.

 

[thedunkster3]

Does anyone know a good scyther/scizor move set? And which do you prefer scyther or scizor? Also when is a good level to evolve scyther (if i should that is)?

 

[sims796]

Patience, yes. But patience within reason?

EV training is one thing. EV training is by no means unreasonably time-consuming, if done right it may not even take a day.

But breeding for IVs or natures? That's quite another. The sheer randomness of it makes this an incredible task. MONTHS could be spent getting Pokemon with good IVs, and even then it may not even have the right nature! This takes no skill at all other than extreme endurance, and for what? You also might finally go into battle with it and discover it sucks, wasting the entire effort. This is my problem with competitive play on the real games, you need to spend months of your life to get the right Pokemon. And this is a game.
To me this isn't patience, this is masochism. The only skill you show is being able to devote massive amounts of your time. Nothing creative or anything.

If there was a way to compensate for low IVs, like additional EV training with the aid of an item, then I wouldn't have this issue. (though making natures through breeding less random-- with more of an effect than the Everstone-- would also help)
You just can't expect most people to be willing to drain that kind of time away.

Oh, boo freakin' woo. Seriously, stop your bawing. It's bad on a forum. It doesn't take all that long at all to get good IVs. You can easily do it on your spare time, especially when you know what you are doing. Yes, it is a part of skill. Tedious, yes, but patience is patience. Yes, this is a game, and we want to win at it like this. Plenty of people play MMORPGs, like World Of Worldcraft, getting up to levels unthinkable. All they're doing is clicking a mouse for hours on end! BAWWWWW!

As Fast-whatever said, prepare to lose. And no, beating little kids & weak opponennts doesn't constitute a win.

 

[You're Gonna Go Far Kid!]

Ok.
I plan to have a 3 vs. 3 battle with my friend.
UU stuff.
What else should I choose besides an EV'd Zangoose I have?
It's a physical sweeper.
How about a Chimecho for support?

 

[Serious]

Oh, boo freakin' woo. Seriously, stop your bawing. It's bad on a forum. It doesn't take all that long at all to get good IVs. You can easily do it on your spare time, especially when you know what you are doing. Yes, it is a part of skill. Tedious, yes, but patience is patience. Yes, this is a game, and we want to win at it like this. Plenty of people play MMORPGs, like World Of Worldcraft, getting up to levels unthinkable. All they're doing is clicking a mouse for hours on end! BAWWWWW!

As Fast-whatever said, prepare to lose. And no, beating little kids & weak opponennts doesn't constitute a win.

Boo freakin woo? That is stupid, just because some people have a social life and do not spend their entire lives smaking bidoof constantly for months on end does not consitute taking the piss out of them! Jeez, I wish I had wi-fi at home as I would give you such a thrashing you wouldnt know what hit you! Ev'ing is too dull! I dont play World of warcraft as there is no skill involved! Eving is just machoism, It makes pokemon devoid of any stratagy! And belive me, At My colldge I have played many people older than me who thing Ev'ing is good and I have left them with an entire team sweeped only using 1 or 2 pokemon. I think I know what Im talking about when I say eving is stupid! I tried it, it sucks.

By the way superkid, there is no way to get more ev points than normal although you can use macho brace to double the amount you get. Pkrus is also good if you can get it but thats very unlikely.

 

[El Gofre]

Boo freakin woo? That is stupid, just because some people have a social life and do not spend their entire lives smaking bidoof constantly for months on end does not consitute taking the piss out of them! Jeez, I wish I had wi-fi at home as I would give you such a thrashing you wouldnt know what hit you! Ev'ing is too dull! I dont play World of warcraft as there is no skill involved! Eving is just machoism, It makes pokemon devoid of any stratagy! And belive me, At My colldge I have played many people older than me who thing Ev'ing is good and I have left them with an entire team sweeped only using 1 or 2 pokemon. I think I know what Im talking about when I say eving is stupid! I tried it, it sucks.

By the way superkid, there is no way to get more ev points than normal although you can use macho brace to double the amount you get. Pkrus is also good if you can get it but thats very unlikely.

Do you not pay attention? It doesnt take that long! On thursday I had time to start IV breeding, EV train a poke in a single stat, go and get exam results, go for a meal with friends, and then come home and finish EVing it in two other stats. I plan on finishing another before I go to a party tonight. Next up, you wouldnt beat sims, he's one of the best battlers on this site. EV training doesnt eliminate strategy, it is strategy- Specialising in the right stats can be crucial and missing EVs can cost you dearly. You can go ahead and run your pokes through the elite 4 fifty times, but you'll end up losing a whole lotta stat points from in places they'll never be used.

So yeah, you don't know what you're talking about. Since you don;t have wifi your experience of a competetive enviroment is somewhat limited, perhaps non-existant. When you get wifi and get crushed a few times by real players, then you'll start to realise you're doing something wrong.

 

[Serious]

So yeah, you don't know what you're talking about.

Mufufu....

Ha ha ha ha! Im sorry I thought this thread mayhave had some decent ideas on it, Yet again Im a sorely dissapointed by the amount of noobs on it. Sims is good? Im sure he is but I have battled people like him before and I win. Mabey Im a bit cokey but so what, I have played pokemon scince it got released and I have had plenty of time to work out stratagy and try all these training meathods. The most of them suck, take too long or make little diffrence. There are people better than me yes I dont dispute that for a second but Sims I very much doubt is one of them. I have heard all this ev stuff on other forums and threads and yes it makes little diffrence if you have half a brain! I think ev'ing spoils pokemon as it removes stratagy, the thing that can thrash you even with evs.

So yeah, you don't know what you're talking about. Since you don;t have wifi your experience of a competetive enviroment is somewhat limited, perhaps non-existant. When you get wifi and get crushed a few times by real players, then you'll start to realise you're doing something wrong.

My goodness, Do you honestly belive the utter rubbish you come out with?

Going to report me? OHHH! im sooo scared! LMAO ^.^

 

[El Gofre]

SInce you have never played sims and have been here less than a month, I seriously doubt you can judge how someboday plays. Plus saying you have played since the start means jack all- I've part of a tennis club for 8+ years and I'm still crap. Quantity of play does not constitute towards skill. Plus I like the way somebody with no experience of an organised competetive enviroment calls people noobs- You seem to understate your own arrogance. And you seem to think we're saying that EV training is the Be-all and end all of strategy, when it isnt- Its an important thing that goes hand in hand with movesets and team composition. Since you seem to find yourself a master tactician, why dont you post an RMT so we can all see how we should be playing? Because, no offense intended, at the moment you're all mouth.

I'm not going to post here anymore concerning this topic, since it's impossible to win an arguament with someone who refuses to take advice into account. If you would care to prove yourself and post RMT, we will all gladly rate it and see if you proposed tactics make up for your lack of patience. Other than that, I have nothing more to say to you, other than please stop posting saying that EV training is pointless, because people who post here are after help an willing to do what is necersarry to get better.

 

[Serious]

SInce you have never played sims and have been here less than a month, I seriously doubt you can judge how someboday plays. Plus saying you have played since the start means jack all- I've part of a tennis club for 8+ years and I'm still crap. Quantity of play does not constitute towards skill. Plus I like the way somebody with no experience of an organised competetive enviroment calls people noobs- You seem to understate your own arrogance. And you seem to think we're saying that EV training is the Be-all and end all of strategy, when it isnt- Its an important thing that goes hand in hand with movesets and team composition. Since you seem to find yourself a master tactician, why dont you post an RMT so we can all see how we should be playing? Because, no offense intended, at the moment you're all mouth.

I'm not going to post here anymore concerning this topic, since it's impossible to win an arguament with someone who refuses to take advice into account. If you would care to prove yourself and post RMT, we will all gladly rate it and see if you proposed tactics make up for your lack of patience. Other than that, I have nothing more to say to you, other than please stop posting saying that EV training is pointless, because people who post here are after help an willing to do what is necersarry to get better.

No experience? Please! Im a battle moderator and admin on pkmon intense forums and an admin on two others! I have been here a month yes but on other pokemopn forums Ive been around a lot longer so there :P

In bold: If you want me to make a stratagy why sure, It would be amuzing :)

 

[Sora_8920]

No experience? Please! Im a battle moderator and admin on pkmon intense forums and an admin on two others! I have been here a month yes but on other pokemopn forums Ive been around a lot longer so there :P

Being an Admin or a Mod on another forum (or any forum) doesn't mean jack. I could be an Admin or a Mod on another forum and still be crap at battling.

 

[Serious]

Being an Admin or a Mod on another forum (or any forum) doesn't mean jack. I could be an Admin or a Mod on another forum and still be crap at battling.

Yes I know, but he said id only been on for a month so I took that as saying I have no experience.

Come on gofre, you wanted me to make a moveset? what pokemon?

 

[El Gofre]

As I said to you via PM (Two conversations at once is awefully confusing =]) I would like you to compose an RMT so that we can rate your competetive knowledge.

 

[Serious]

Very well gofre my team is as follows...

Ninjask@focus sash
Speed boost

Protect
Sword dance
Batton pass
X-sicssor

Simple emough, swords dance, protect, batton pass away with speed boost and attack increase.

Tyranitar@Choice band adamant nature
Sandstream

Crunch
Stone edge
Earthquake
Pursuit

Simple enough

Jirachi@leftovers timid nature (what? hard to get legit jirachis in england with a good nature ya know!)
Serene grace

Healing wish
Wish
U-turn
Zen headbut

Use wish and u-turn out. Perhaps use healing wish to revive pokemon if nessacery. has been used to bring back ninjask for more batton passing speed.

Starmie@leftovers (Timid nature)
Natural cure

Rapid spin
Ice beam
Grass knot
Surf

Rapid spinner/ special sweeper

Aself@Life orb
Levitate

Psychic
Nasty plot
Flame thrower
Explosion

Nast plot, sweep, explode when done

Miltank@leftovers
Scrappy

Heal bell
Milk drink
Toxic
Body slam

used to use Blissey but she is way overused, miltank is a new addition to my team.

Might not be to your taste my Ou team but it works for me :)

Ohh...have not got my ds with me and I cant remember all the natures....sorry :)

 

[Sora_8920]

Very well gofre my team is as follows...

Ninjask@focus sash
Speed boost

Protect
Sword dance
Batton pass
X-sicssor

Simple emough, swords dance, protect, batton pass away with speed boost and attack increase.

Tyranitar@Choice band
Sandstream

Crunch
Stone edge
Earthquake
Pursuit

Simple enough

Jirachi@leftovers
Serene grace

Healing wish
Wish
U-turn
Zen headbut

Use wish and u-turn out. Perhaps use healing wish to revive pokemon if nessacery. has been used to bring back ninjask for more batton passing speed.

Starmie@leftovers
Natural cure

Rapid spin
Ice beam
Grass knot
Surf

Rapid spinner/ special sweeper

Aself@Life orb
Levitate

Psychic
Nasty plot
Flame thrower
Explosion

Nast plot, sweep, explode when done

Miltank@leftovers
Scrappy

Heal bell
Milk drink
Toxic
Body slam

used to use Blissey but she is way overused, miltank is a new addition to my team.

Might not be to your taste my Ou team but it works for me :)

Eww, Ninjask. Focus Sash fails as weather screws with it. (Hail and Sandstorm for Ninjask).

 

[Serious]

Eww, Ninjask. Focus Sash fails as weather screws with it. (Hail and Sandstorm for Ninjask).

Yes I have noticed that s If weather is in place forget swords dance, just protect and batton pass away.

I did breifly consider Loppuny to pass speed and use switcheroo but decided against it, she (or he 0.O) is not a fast plus no item usage works against it

 

[El Gofre]

The sets are fine, but lucario in general isnt very kind to this team- 2 Dark weaks with only one resist who is quad weak to it's main STAB, 2 fight weaks (One of which being quad) and only a frail ninjask as resist make it a menace. A lack of special wall leaves you particularly vulnerable to Specs Variants. A focus sash bearer and sandstreamer don't go well together. Should you lose azelf skarmory will also plague you, with only starmie's rather underpowered Surf capable of putting any dent in it (An EV'd one can only 2HKO it).

My advice would be to bring in a special wall, since nothing can cope with special hits at the moment. I would also lose tyranitar for a faster physical sweeper who isnt reliant on Speed passes to function, and one that doesnt screw over your sash either.

 

[Divine~Deoxys]

My advice would be to bring in a special wall, since nothing can cope with special hits at the moment. I would also lose tyranitar for a faster physical sweeper who isnt reliant on Speed passes to function, and one that doesnt screw over your sash either.

I own't offer you a special wall,as i am reknowned for rubbsih sets for walls,but i do have physical sweeper for you.it doesn't need Ninjask's speed boosts,but if it had thme,it ouwld be uber-fast.

Weavile @ Choice Scarf
Jolly
252atk,252spd,4hp
Night Slash
Brick Break
Ice Punch
???????(sorry guys,i used to know it coz i used to use Weavile,but waht is the fourth move in a ScarfVile?)

 

[El Gofre]

Weavile is already really fast, a choice scarf is pointless and only limits its strength and coverage.

 

[Divine~Deoxys]

Oh yeah,i forgot that it does cripple it.I actually use lefties.I sjut tyoped that up really fast.The fourtyh sklot is Slash.

Weavile @ Leftovers
Jolly
4hp,252atk,252spd
Night Slash
Brick Break
Slash
Ice Punch

That's the one

 

[DragonLordAL]

need an EV spread for an Adamant Jirachi. would prefer if spe evs were absent.
IVs are as follows
22hp
31atk
31def
3spatk
27sdef
15spe(i think. its pretty low in my opinion.)

Thanks in advance