Super Smash Bros. Discussion

[Spinosaurus]

For Glory players aren't particularly aware of the competitive scene. You see a lot of Marths despite him being pretty bad.

 

[Kameken]

Japan's tier list has been updated:

Spoiler:

> R.O.B. is B-tier
> Falco and Lucina are E-tier


What a good day to be a R.O.B. main, but an awful day to be a Falco and Lucina main.

Charizard, Robin, Falco, and Samus are E-Tier?

Yeah, the Japanese are weird.

I mean, I get that Charizard and even Samus take actual skill to use, but...

Robin and Falco? One of them's a damn clone of an A-teir!

 

[Spinosaurus]

Robin is terrible especially in omega stages (which is standard for Japan)
Charizard could be higher but he's nothing special.
Falco isn't really a clone.

 

[Kameken]

Robin is terrible especially in omega stages (which is standard for Japan)
Charizard could be higher but he's nothing special.
Falco isn't really a clone.

I would think Robin would be especially good on Omega stages, considering he's fairy projectile based, which people tend to believe Omega favors. Besides, how is he terrible? Because spamming one move isn't a good idea with him?

Charizard may not be that special, but he's not as bad as the likes of Ike or DK.

If Dark Pit is considered a full clone, Falco should be, too.

 

[Nah]

I would think Robin would be especially good on Omega stages, considering he's fairy projectile based, which people tend to believe Omega favors. Besides, how is he terrible? Because spamming one move isn't a good idea with him?

Robin's projectiles aren't really the kind you can spam, especially when you have a sorta limited usage of them. Try spamming Arcfire and the Thunder spells and see how far it gets you. Omega stages aren't all that great for Robin either because Robin is terribly weak to the characters who do excel on Omega stages, the fast, hard-hitting types like ZSS, Fox (especially Fox), Shiek, Little Mac, etc, or the ones with the actually spammable projectiles like Samus or Link. So I guess I'm fighting at a disadvantage a lot since For Glory is only Omega stages =(

Other problems with Robin include:
-is really slow
-very short melee range
-ass grab range
-options for hitting people below you in the air aren't good
-has 2 spikes but they're a bitch to use
-has no reliable combos that I'm aware of

And being floaty is kind of a blessing and a curse. It's not all bad with Robin, but there's plenty of issues.

Charizard may not be that special, but he's not as bad as the likes of Ike or DK.

Yeah I think that Charizard should be a bit higher up on the list too.

If Dark Pit is considered a full clone, Falco should be, too.

Not really. If this was Melee I'd agree, but Falco's moveset has changed enough over the years that he's not so much of a clone anymore. Same goes for Ganondorf.

Which, speaking of Pit/Dark Pit, why aren't they on the exact same tier? The only difference between them is the way their bow+arrow works and I doubt that really makes any difference. Though they are still really close anyway.

 

[Pinkie-Dawn]

This is quite a surprise:

Spoiler:

I wonder if they allow customs.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Charizard may not be that special, but he's not as bad as the likes of Ike or DK.

lol Charizard is my secondary but DK and especially Ike are way better than him.

If Dark Pit is considered a full clone, Falco should be, too.

Play Pit and Dark Pit
then go play Fox and Falco

Falco is hardly a clone anymore honestly. He never was. Dude was completely different from Fox even in Melee where they only shared animations. Pit and Dark Pit have the exact same moves and properties bar three.

Which, speaking of Pit/Dark Pit, why aren't they on the exact same tier? The only difference between them is the way their bow+arrow works and I doubt that really makes any difference. Though they are still really close anyway.

The tier is based on tournament results. Pit players are just simply doing more than Dark Pit. (I do agree that Pit > Dark Pit but the difference is like a spot in the list, not a whole tier)

 

[Nah]

The tier is based on tournament results. Pit players are just simply doing more than Dark Pit. (I do agree that Pit > Dark Pit but the difference is like a spot in the list, not a whole tier)

Ah, right. Sometimes I forget that.

 

[Aven]

Robin is terrible especially in omega stages (which is standard for Japan)
Charizard could be higher but he's nothing special.
Falco isn't really a clone.

Having Robin as one of my co-mains, my preference would actually be a flat stage. As long as it's not too small and it doesn't have many platforms, I can play Robin pretty well. But all that's just based on how you play the character, not the character itself. That's why I don't judge characters, I judge players.

I do agree that Charizard could probably be higher, but none of this is based on potential, it's based on how well players are doing with them. So far Charizard is carved out to be a spammy character, it really sucks.

Falco isn't a clone at all, that's one of the reasons they kept him.

For Glory players aren't particularly aware of the competitive scene. You see a lot of Marths despite him being pretty bad.

I wouldn't base anything on which character gets played the most, especially in For Glory.

This is quite a surprise:

Spoiler:

I wonder if they allow customs.

That was sort of expected, just not from Nintendo themselves. And I don't feed my amiibo's or anything like that, just train them. I don't think they'd allow customs unless they want it to be THAT much of a friendly game.

 

[Pinkie-Dawn]

Falco is hardly a clone anymore honestly. He never was. Dude was completely different from Fox even in Melee where they only shared animations. Pit and Dark Pit have the exact same moves and properties bar three.

Isn't shared animations part of a traits of being a clone character, followed by similar B moves and final smash?

 

[Aven]

Isn't shared animations part of a traits of being a clone character, followed by similar B moves and final smash?

I see what you mean, you're right in a way. Speaking of Melee, because now they really are different, Falco's speed compared to Fox's almost forced players to play Falco differently than Fox, but technically they're the same.

 

[Nah]

Having Robin as one of my co-mains, my preference would actually be a flat stage. As long as it's not too small and it doesn't have many platforms, I can play Robin pretty well. But all that's just based on how you play the character, not the character itself. That's why I don't judge characters, I judge players.

What you say is true, but at the same time Final Destination/Omega stages aren't really what I'd call the most favorable stages to Robin either. I've learned how to play on FD/Omega (because there's no other option in For Glory), but occasionally I'm left wondering if maybe things would've gone better if we were fighting on Battlefield or something similar instead. FD/Omega versions are still better than shit like....Find Mii, or Hanenbow in Brawl though.

 

[Aven]

Okay, this is probably just me since I'm so used to the Gamecube controller, but is it easier for anyone else to use Marth's side B on the Wii U version? Sometimes it feels like I could just spam the button and it would work.

 

[Gardevoir the Dragon Slayer]

Has anyone totally given up the non Omega stages yet? I find the ones where you spend most of your time trying to keep up with the constantly moving stage really annoying.

[FONT=&quot]Also anyone given up on items? I really think they allow to many cheap knockouts,[/FONT]

 

[Judge Mandolore Shepard]

When it comes to the stages, I find that the Omega versions make me bored. So I have given up on the Omega stages. As for the items, I have given up on the explosive items. All of the other items I find interesting.

 

[Aven]

Has anyone totally given up the non Omega stages yet? I find the ones where you spend most of your time trying to keep up with the constantly moving stage really annoying.

[FONT=&quot]Also anyone given up on items? I really think they allow to many cheap knockouts,[/FONT]

When I'm practicing, or playing a serious match I really only play on Omega without items. Unless I'm trying to get better at random stages, or of course, having a match for fun. If it's a friendly fun match then Omega stages are out of the question ;P And of course all items on, probably set to a medium or low drop rate.

And of course items allow for knockouts that weren't fair or deserved. That's the whole point of a fun match. I play fun matches all the time with my little brother, friends and family such as cousins. Because playing matches over and over again and winning just because you're better isn't fun at all. Items, and even stages sometimes just allows the winner to be random most of the time.

 

[Dter ic]

When it comes to the stages, I find that the Omega versions make me bored.

They aren't that great either if you want to really get into the competitive side of smash. FD stages heavily favour grounded characters like Little Mac or projectile uses like Link who camp in the corner :V

 

[Pinkie-Dawn]

IT'S HAPPENING! https://t.co/yinDTfHhlo


Please let there be a Nintendo Direct soon; it's the perfect place to reveal Mewtwo in action.

 

[Night Watcher]

They aren't that great either if you want to really get into the competitive side of smash. FD stages heavily favour grounded characters like Little Mac or projectile uses like Link who camp in the corner :V

I have never seen a lot of competitive Little Macs of Links. I don't tink you can even play Little Mac on a competitive level, even with Omega on, imo. I really think the best competitive characters on smash are Diddy Kong, Mewtwo(?), Marth, and some other characters. But I guess it's just how you play them that counts, since I main Lucina and she isn't a really competitive character.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Every character can be competitive, but not every character can be viable.

Marth certainly isn't viable. (And Mewtwo who isn't out at all??)