The Dragon's Den V.4

[Silhouette]

Welcome to the Dragon's Den V.4
Since B/W's release in most (if not all) regions outside Japan, 5th generation chat doesn't need spoilers.

Click for the Member's List...


RULES:
The obvious Community and Pokemon Groups Rules
Only Owners and Co-Owners may post topics.
You must have at least some kind of interest in Dragon types to join.

How to join:
Simply ask to become a member! There's no way you can't join (unless you were booted from the Den previously).

Also, you may answer any of the questions in your joining post if you wish.​

Spoiler:

Favorite Dragons?
Should Garchomp and/or Salamence be Uber?
Lance or Clair?
Which Dragon looks best Shiny?
Giratina: 'Origin' Form or 'Another' Form?
Whats your Dragon Team?
Should Tyranitar be a Dragon?
What is your favorite legendary Dragon?

Pokemon we consider to be Dragon-types
If you have any questions about these, go ahead and bring it up. Debate is always open.
Also, Generation V Pokemon will be added when the games come out in most/all regions. So don't ask about them, please.

Userbars:

 

[Amore]

The Real Co-Owner's Op<<<<------click it!

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Member List
Silhouette - Owner
Amore - Co-owner
tkallab - Co-owner (Active)
dragonomega
dragoniteuser
Marowak10
Syndrome
The Last One
zapdos926
Dooonerz
pokeman rawr
Ash_Ketchum123
Wolflare
♣Gawain♣
Spinosaurus
Halcyon
Xilfer123
EPIC Shedinja Hollow
Makbets
Thorns
shininglatios217
tobi-ksla
The Dragon Queen
Time Guardian
Reshiram Man
Mew~
Brandon17
RobotUnicorn
Dragonsfire128
Tribal Ebony
Dragon's Roar
Will94
ShadowDragon3812
Rettan
Glaciezxstar
Regeneration
Bhonjo
Le Creep!
Tony Montana
Hijax

Inactive members
AmethystDragon​

More Userbars​

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The Lance / Wataru Clause​

Spoiler:

Any pokémon Lance uses on more than 1 occasion is a dragon​

Explanation:​

Basically, any pokémon that is part of Lance's party in more than 1 mainstream game is automatically a dragon.​

Mainstream games are: RBY/GSC/RSE/DPPt/FRLG/HGSS

Stadium and Stadium 2 aren't counted as teams there appear to be randomly assembled, and nobody sticks to type themes.....​

Appearances in Manga and Anime can be counted as arguments by which to include a pokémon in the 'Den, however this is a one-of-a-kind ruling.​

Pokémon such as Altaria, which has only appeared in one of his line-ups (Hg/Ss) can be voted out, but regulars such as Dragonite, Charizard and Gyarados are perma-dragons.​

Our previous votes will be found under here, in spoilers​

Spoiler:

Vote 1 - Altaria & Lugia​

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The Results​

Spoiler:

Yes: 5

No: 4​

Yes: 3

No: 6​

How the proceedings were undertaken​

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Ok, I've got here the poll info.​

Firstly, there are two questions:​

1. Should Lugia be considered a Dragon?​

2. Should Altaria be considered a Dragon?​

How we're going to vote, is by keeping it anonymous. You must send a private message to me, with your answers in the title. e.g. "Lugia - Yes, Altaria - No". or something like that. This saves me having to read all your messages.​

Voting is open to all members, and ends next Sunday.​

Some references:​

A description of a "bird"'s appearance​

An In-depth reasoning on the topic of Lugia​

An In-depth reasoning on the topic of Altaria​

In this spoiler, two images showing them, these are just the artists interpretations, but show a different angle than sprites and sugimori-art:​

Spoiler:

Vote 2 - Milotic, Tyranitar and the Sinnoh Dragon Trio​

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The Results​

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Milotic​

Yes: 5

No: 6​

Tyranitar​

Yes: 6

No: 5​

Dialga​

Yes: 6

No: 5​

Palkia​

Yes: 6

No: 5​

Giratina​

Yes: 10

No: 1​

How the Proceedings were Undertaken​

Spoiler:

You can change your vote as the argument progresses! But only twice!​

A sea serpent, a dinosaur and three deities walked into a bar....​

You can vote only once for each dragon. And no, you don't have to vote on all of them, if you're impartial or something.​

The dragons eligible for voting are:​

- Milotic​

- Tyranitar

- Dialga

- Palkia
- Giratina​

Spoiler:

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The latter two are there to head you off before you start arguing about them xD. ​

As usual, votes go to me via pm, and I'll tally them....​

Closing date is: November 30th, 23:59pm. I won't be online at that time, I'll simply ignore votes sent in December. ​

I will tell you the results, but if there are less than 5 votes on an individual pokémon, then that one will be declared null, and unlike what I've stated below, will be eligible for voting in January / February 2011. I just think it's not a good representation of the opinions of the majority if only one person votes.....​

Oh, and finally, no argument links here, as the thread basically descended into chaos, and Tkallab did manage to put out, in the midst of it all "the thread is my page on Tyranitar", then I never gave the guru time for the others...​

 

[Perriechu]

Can I join ? :3

Favorite Dragons

Would have to be ; Garchomp, Gyarados and Altaria, Latios

Which Dragon looks best Shiny?

Gyarados <3 Red, Charizard and Rayquaza <3 Black.

Whats your Dragon Team?

Charizard, Altaria, Gyarados, Garchomp, Salamence, Latios.

 

[Silhouette]

p.s. Can I be on the members list?

Of course you can be, co-owner!

Can I join ? :3

Favorite Dragons

Would have to be ; Garchomp, Gyarados and Altaria, Latios

Which Dragon looks best Shiny?

Gyarados <3 Red, Charizard and Rayquaza <3 Black.

Whats your Dragon Team?

Charizard, Altaria, Gyarados, Garchomp, Salamence, Latios.

Welcome to the Dragon's Den, dragonomega. Of course you can join!

EDIT: If anyone is really good at making banners, we could really use a Dragon's Den banner. I could do it if no one can, but I'm not a 'professional'.

 

[tkallab]

Member List
Silhouette - Owner
Amore - Co-owner (Semi-retired)
tkallab - Co-owner (Active)
dragonomega
dragoniteuser
Marowak10
Syndrome
The Last One
zapdos926
Dooonerz
pokeman rawr
Ash_Ketchum123
Wolflare
♣Gawain♣
Spinosaurus
Halcyon
Xilfer123
EPIC Shedinja Hollow
Makbets
Thorns
shininglatios217
tobi-ksla
The Dragon Queen
Time Guardian
Reshiram Man
Mew~
Brandon17
RobotUnicorn
Dragonsfire128
Tribal Ebony
Dragon's Roar
Will94
ShadowDragon3812
Rettan
Glaciezxstar
Regeneration
Bhonjo
Le Creep!
Tony Montana
Shadow236
Maj. Cor
angel
MysticFlygon
treecko0
JERIICHO
VarimathraS

Inactive members
AmethystDragon

UNDER CONSTRUCTION
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[Amore]

Welcome back!

Nice sigpic. Who did it? You need a Salamence one, although Salamence can't wave like Garchomp....

Lugia is dragon-like, I'll grant you that. However, and I may be slightly biased, as I generally go off representations out of Pokemon Adventures, where it's seen alongside Ho-oh, and deliberately represented to be more bird-like.

 

[tkallab]

I made it, haha. No, seriously. And I love myself for thinking of Wobbuffet waving back, it keeps cracking me up. And I might make one of Garchomp coming home and seeing Latias and Salamence fighting and saying something like "Honey, I'm ho- WHO IS THAT?!" like they're committing adultry.

Concerning Lugia, he doesn't have feathers, and I imagine his skin being really smooth, like a Dragonair. He also doesn't have a beak, plus, he has a long tail with spikes at the end. His wings have fingers and his feet are flat and incredibly untalonlike. Oh, and he has these thingies on his back. If he's not a dragon, I don't know what to call him. But not a bird. More a... A stegosaur-handwing-raindrophead-monster. And he's based on the Ryujin.

I'm kind of proud of myself now, hahaha!

 

[Amore]

Lol. Nice idea!

I can see where you're coming from...like I said, I go by PokeSpe canon more than game canon....which includes PokeSpe classification > appearance. Hence, I treat Tyranitar as a dragon because Lance had one, and consider Beedrill to be competely bad-ass.

I think we'll have to differ...maybe put it to a vote at a later date, when the club's up to its' former glory.

Btw, Silhouette? Please could you add this image to the original post?

I just think we should have both formes..all the others only have one forme, but I think Giratina needs both shown, as they're so un-alike....

 

[tkallab]

Hmmm, if Pokemon adventure is the same as pokemon special, then I don't really see what you're talking about, he looks just the same. Looked up chapter 146 online, and he's just Lugia. Anything to say in your defense? Haha.
And I totally hear you about Giratina's Origin sprite in the first post.. They do look too different.

...But where did the 'Beedrill is Badass' statement come from?

 

[Marowak10]

May i please join? My favorite is Charizard, because mine is level 100, and his EV's are;Attack=216
Defense=181
Sp.Attack=287
Sp.Defense=173
Speed=257
and(if Hp is an ev) HP=282

 

[Detox]

Count me back in this fine establishment of yours.

 

[The Last One]

May I join this club? xD..

 

[Silhouette]

Thanks for VM'ing me, Silhouette! I'll rejoin now, if I may.

No problem. I'll add ya to the list.

Btw, Silhouette? Please could you add this image to the original post?

I just think we should have both formes..all the others only have one forme, but I think Giratina needs both shown, as they're so un-alike....

Yeah, good idea. Will do!

May i please join? My favorite is Charizard, because mine is level 100, and his EV's are;Attack=216
Defense=181
Sp.Attack=287
Sp.Defense=173
Speed=257
and(if Hp is an ev) HP=282

Of course you can join.

Count me back in this fine establishment of yours.

Added to the list, Syndrome. :D

May I join this club? xD..

Yes, you can in fact!

Welcome to the Dragon's Den v.4, everyone!

And I still think Lugia should be considered a dragon.

Hm... Lugia COULD be a dragon, and I think it would be really close. Plus, if I'm not mistaken, can't it learn Dragon Rush via level up?

 

[The Last One]

Favorite Dragons?
My favorite dragon type is Dragonite... cause it was my first lvl 100 dragon type pokemon.. i still have it too xD
Should Garchomp and/or Salamence be Uber?
I think Salamence should be uber at least... I don't know about Garchomp though :/
Lance or Clair?
Clair... Due to the fact that I can't think of many other female dragon type trainers in the games....
Which Dragon looks best Shiny?
I think Charizard is pretty cool shiny (but I stink when it comes to shinys...).
Giratina: 'Origin' Form or 'Another' Form?
I'm sorry.. I can't remember the form name.. but the one that has no legs.
Whats your Dragon Team?
The last one I had was in Diamond..
Flygon: Lvl:83
Charizard: Lvl:89
Salamence: Lvl:71
Giratina: Lvl:62
Dialga: Lvl: 58
Seadra: Lvl:41
Should Tyranitar be a Dragon?
Yes I do think that it should be a dragon.... most people I know that think it shouldn't is just because it can't fly/have wings.
What is your favorite legendary Dragon?
Giratina.. Because it is the only dragon type legendary that had more than one form.

 

[zapdos926]

whoo! new thread!

I'll answe the questions again.

Favorite Dragons? Latios, Latias, shiny/normal Rayquaza
Should Garchomp and/or Salamence be Uber? i dont really care
Lance or Clair? lance
Which Dragon looks best Shiny? rayquaza
Giratina: 'Origin' Form or 'Another' Form? origin
Whats your Dragon Team? latios, Latias, Rayquaza, Dragonite, Kingdra, Groudon (i kno he's not a dragon)
Should Tyranitar be a Dragon? sure
What is your favorite legendary Dragon? Lati@s

btw, would a griffin type pokemon go into the dragon caegory?

yup, well, thats that. oops, almost forgot:rejoin plz

 

[tkallab]

Yeas, Lugia learns Dragon Rush at level 15. He can also learn Dragon Pulse via TM59.

Oh, and zapdos926, aren't you going to get in trouble with that extremely high signature of yours? Just sayin'.

 

[dragoniteuser]

Well, I hope I could re-join, cause I was in the previous den!
I think we should reconsider which Pokemon should be considered as dragons. In my opinion, just cause Nintendo assigned a dragon type to a Pokemon, doesn't neccesarily mean it should be considered as one, esspecially if there's nothing dragonic about it, and yes, I'm thinking about Sinnoh legendary trio!

 

[Amore]

Hmmm, if Pokemon adventure is the same as pokemon special, then I don't really see what you're talking about, he looks just the same. Looked up chapter 146 online, and he's just Lugia. Anything to say in your defense? Haha.
And I totally hear you about Giratina's Origin sprite in the first post.. They do look too different.

...But where did the 'Beedrill is Badass' statement come from?

Ummm...no good with chapter numbers. I meant the bit at the end where Lugia and Ho-oh are down on the ground with all the other pokemon, with their wings folded in. It looks so bird-like it's almost cute xD

Beedrill is badass because Giovanni uses it to threaten people, stab things, etc. For example, in the battle against Lance. And yeah, Adventures = Special, I just used that name because...now I've started going legit and buying it, it's called Adventures to me 8-)

Then again...Dragon Rush and Dragon Pulse do count for something....anybody mentions anything learning Outrage, and you're dead. Venusaur and Nidoking can learn it, and they're not dragons...

@ DragoniteUser: Yeah, but you can't call something with the dragon-typing a non-dragon, can you? Arceus is a normal-type without the plate, so it doesn't count. Even I would've objected with that. Still, I could see it being right for a vote seeing as we're rebooting the club, sort of.

@ Zapdos926: Yeah, I'm surprised that signature is still there. It's even taller than one of my posts...and that means it's big. I'm not sure about a griffin..and eagle crossed with a lion really doesn't have much dragon-likeness about it, does it?

Oh, and, as a co-owner: Welcome all you rejoiners!

Sadly, Silhouette posted it, so I can't put your names on the member list...but if he goes inactive for a bit sometime, I'll continue the list into my first post for you all. ;)

 

[Perriechu]

May i please join? My favorite is Charizard, because mine is level 100, and his EV's are;Attack=216
Defense=181
Sp.Attack=287
Sp.Defense=173
Speed=257
and(if Hp is an ev) HP=282

Ev's can't get that high 0.0

You mean Stats?

 

[tkallab]

Ev's can't get that high 0.0

You mean Stats?

Yeah, I was thinking the exact same thing. It's probably stats, it's about average for a Charizard to have such stats. You might wanna check this page, Marowak10.

Oh, and Amore, I'll look up that chapter. As you can see, I'm quite dedicated.
*Found it!

I have to admit, his pose says 'bird', but his appearance still says 'dragon'.