US President Obama expands Afganistan War

[Agent Cobalt]

And yet, with today's judicial system being completely strict to the letter of the law

LOL! What? Since when is the judicial system strict to the letter of the law? Ever heard of Roe v. Wade? Plessy v. Ferguson? Judicial activism guy.

the authority would probably turn down your plea and reassert the question: which child dies?

I refuse to choose. It's as simple as that. It would be horrible of me to sentence my child to death for my transgressions, so I don't choose.

Or that someone is willing to have you falsely convicted. That part was mostly irrelevant; the point was what choice do you make in a no-win situation, not whether the situation would arise in your particular case.

Again though, the whole point is that you're purposely making up an absurd situation that wouldn't happen in order to create a dilemma for evidence of your assertions, rather than actually relying on what is already available to you.

Also, your list of logical fallacies make no sense. I know what every one of those means, and I fail to see how any of them apply.

Then I'd question whether you really understand what those fallacies mean.

I used 'confession' in the wrong sense then, Perhaps professing, admitting or acknowledging might have been better.

Wait... are we talking about little children or tribes in jungles?

More specific to the ones that press their belief in others, and use a form of guilt as a tool to manipulation... The film Jesus Camp goes to exemplify this...

I've never seen that film. Mind explaining these forms of manipulation/guilt trips?

Rather while I admit I am not fully learned on the history of the Bible itself, could the validity of the Bible be called into question (aside from mistranslations etc) because of the ommitance of an entire work? The Book of Thomas being an example...

The Book of Thomas was a forgery, not inspired by the Holy Spirit, and is an example of Gnostic writings. It doesn't belong in the Bible.

To me it shows how "humanistic" the Bible really is... I don't know...

Humanism is in direct contradiction to Christianity. It's policies are generally associated with secularism, anti-theism, and socialism. I would never call myself a humanist and I doubt most Christians would.

 

[Corvus of the Black Night]

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[Feign]

Wait... are we talking about little children or tribes in jungles?

At some point, both of them.

I've never seen that film. Mind explaining these forms of manipulation/guilt trips?

Basically the camp is for kids, and the director lady in charge thinks, that since kids in the middle east and such (being indoctrinated about Islam and blowing themselves up for their God - ie extremism) can be translated in the same way for Christianity, in that she could all make them soldiers of God. Also because these are kids, we know at this point in their life they are not perfect, but she instilled guilt in them, by saying that, because when they go to school, they don't harken to God as they might at home, that they are not true believers. When this occurred, kids were crying, and also ummm what is the right term, becoming seizuristic (for lack of better terms). Perhaps the worst of it though, was in the form of idolitry when the lady brought up a cardboard cut out of George Bush, and told the kids to respect him and the desicisions of the US (Really bad paraphrasing here). Also one of the kids claims to have been "saved" at the age of 5...

I mean, I can understand a religious belief at a young age, but I don't think kids as young as 5 can understand God per se... At that point, one would only be being taught about God... Like it would be best for example, if someone read the Bible for their own saitiates.

While they did say that Harry Potter was of the devil, they didn't say the same for Pokemon, though at this rate, I'd think they'd have put it in the same category (what with evolving and all).

The Book of Thomas was a forgery, not inspired by the Holy Spirit, and is an example of Gnostic writings. It doesn't belong in the Bible.

Was there other entire works left out of the Bible? Even then, I wonder why other works weren't left out of the Bible, such as revelations... the entire thing being a 'vision' of one man.

Humanism is in direct contradiction to Christianity. It's policies are generally associated with secularism, anti-theism, and socialism. I would never call myself a humanist and I doubt most Christians would.

More in the sense that the Bible was mortal, that it wasn't directly written by God (how people claim it to be otherwise).

So the Humanism of Christianity, is Christianity, in other words? I suppose though your comment would have to do with the ideal of adamant conviction again. Wouldn't it be that this world is completly imperfect? (Now I know that you will probably agree with this, but what I meant was in the sense of mortality in itself, as I know that Heaven, for those who believe it, is the ideal of perfect).

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The topic may have evolved, but I still find it interesting. And I don't feel that I am being rude or unconcerning...

 

[Corvus of the Black Night]

It's not that Feign, it's that I can't stand how everyone needs to inject religion into political debates. >_>

 

[Jordan]

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Who was this directed at? xD If Obama, then he isn't really going back on his word. He never promised to move out of Afghanistan as his priority, that was just assumed with his opposition to the Iraq war.

 

[Virtual Chatot]

Who was this directed at? xD If Obama, then he isn't really going back on his word. He never promised to move out of Afghanistan as his priority, that was just assumed with his opposition to the Iraq war.

He's taking a lot of heat from his democratic supporters for adding more pressure into Afghanistan, but like you said, he never said he wouldn't invade it.

Might I say that you can't defeat a theology with rockets and bombs? The only way we're ever going to "beat" the terrorists is by investing in education and social programs in those Middle Eastern countries we've found ourselves invading. Educate them so they won't have to blow themselves up so their families can get a check. Hell, us being there has only inflamed the tensions and only added more people sympathetic to their cause.

 

[Feign]

He's taking a lot of heat from his democratic supporters for adding more pressure into Afghanistan, but like you said, he never said he wouldn't invade it.

Might I say that you can't defeat a theology with rockets and bombs? The only way we're ever going to "beat" the terrorists is by investing in education and social programs in those Middle Eastern countries we've found ourselves invading. Educate them so they won't have to blow themselves up so their families can get a check. Hell, us being there has only inflamed the tensions and only added more people sympathetic to their cause.

Appearantly they did try a bit of the educating thing (to some extent). That is to say, I recall a math book, where one example was a picture of some guns, and the student was asked how many guns there were when you added 3 guns with 4...

 

[Spearow]

He never promised to move out of Afghanistan as his priority, that was just assumed with his opposition to the Iraq war.

In fact, as I recall, he even stated during debates that he wanted to move the "focus" (here interpreted as more soldiers) to Afghanistan. Soooo...

 

[Agent Cobalt]

At some point, both of them.

Well those tribesmen would have to reach salvation on their own. Children though aren't responsible for their salvation until they've reached the age of accountability.

Basically the camp is for kids, and the director lady in charge thinks, that since kids in the middle east and such (being indoctrinated about Islam and blowing themselves up for their God - ie extremism) can be translated in the same way for Christianity, in that she could all make them soldiers of God.

I can see that. This goes back to before the Crusades. They teach their kids to hate Jews and kill themselves along with others, so it's practical in my eyes to teach our children the opposite.

Also because these are kids, we know at this point in their life they are not perfect, but she instilled guilt in them, by saying that, because when they go to school, they don't harken to God as they might at home, that they are not true believers. When this occurred, kids were crying, and also ummm what is the right term, becoming seizuristic (for lack of better terms).

Huh. I really would like a further description of this.

Perhaps the worst of it though, was in the form of idolitry when the lady brought up a cardboard cut out of George Bush, and told the kids to respect him and the desicisions of the US (Really bad paraphrasing here).

Well generally are told to respect authority, pray for their leaders, and obey the laws of the land. That's just part of the faith.

Also one of the kids claims to have been "saved" at the age of 5...

Those that accept the Lord are saved though, regardless of age. Granted a child still must reach the age of accountability before being responsible for their salvation from sin, but even children are part of God's covenant. Think of baptism and circumcision.

While they did say that Harry Potter was of the devil, they didn't say the same for Pokemon, though at this rate, I'd think they'd have put it in the same category (what with evolving and all).

Eh, some are more strict than other's about entertainment. Bucolically we shouldn't do things that dishonor God, but honestly I don't see a video game about creatures battling any more dishonorable to God than sports or any other form of competition.

Was there other entire works left out of the Bible? Even then, I wonder why other works weren't left out of the Bible, such as revelations... the entire thing being a 'vision' of one man.

There are quite a few Gnostic writings that have not been accepted as real or legitimate. I can't name them all off the top of my head, but you can find them just by searching for "gnostic gospels."

More in the sense that the Bible was mortal, that it wasn't directly written by God (how people claim it to be otherwise).

No, God didn't come from the heavens with a pen and paper. The Bible has around 40 authors. It was however the divine inspiration that makes it truly the work of God.

So the Humanism of Christianity, is Christianity, in other words? I suppose though your comment would have to do with the ideal of adamant conviction again. Wouldn't it be that this world is completly imperfect? (Now I know that you will probably agree with this, but what I meant was in the sense of mortality in itself, as I know that Heaven, for those who believe it, is the ideal of perfect).

No, there is no humanism in Christianity. That's like looking for Taoism in the Bible. And yes, the world is the domain of Satan, imperfect since the first humans walked on the earth. Heaven is the opposite, eternally perfect like the Lord.

Might I say that you can't defeat a theology with rockets and bombs? The only way we're ever going to "beat" the terrorists is by investing in education and social programs in those Middle Eastern countries we've found ourselves invading. Educate them so they won't have to blow themselves up so their families can get a check. Hell, us being there has only inflamed the tensions and only added more people sympathetic to their cause.

This is a common line of thought among those in opposition to conflict. The terrorists aren't poor, uneducated masses. Osama Bin Laden himself was a rich Saudi. The masterminds behind 9/11 were very educated; they had to be. These people aren't like they are for any reason other than belief. Oh, and honestly, social programs barely work here so I really don't want to meddle in that in other countries. It's also a myth that our presence incites violence. That's a talking point invented by bin Laden to justify attacking the US after the Gulf War. More troops leads to more enemy killed and more stability.

 

[Feign]

Well those tribesmen would have to reach salvation on their own. Children though aren't responsible for their salvation until they've reached the age of accountability.I can see that. This goes back to before the Crusades. They teach their kids to hate Jews and kill themselves along with others, so it's practical in my eyes to teach our children the opposite. Huh. I really would like a further description of this.Well generally are told to respect authority, pray for their leaders, and obey the laws of the land. That's just part of the faith.Those that accept the Lord are saved though, regardless of age. Granted a child still must reach the age of accountability before being responsible for their salvation from sin, but even children are part of God's covenant. Think of baptism and circumcision.Eh, some are more strict than other's about entertainment. Bucolically we shouldn't do things that dishonor God, but honestly I don't see a video game about creatures battling any more dishonorable to God than sports or any other form of competition.There are quite a few Gnostic writings that have not been accepted as real or legitimate. I can't name them all off the top of my head, but you can find them just by searching for "gnostic gospels."No, God didn't come from the heavens with a pen and paper. The Bible has around 40 authors. It was however the divine inspiration that makes it truly the work of God.No, there is no humanism in Christianity. That's like looking for Taoism in the Bible. And yes, the world is the domain of Satan, imperfect since the first humans walked on the earth. Heaven is the opposite, eternally perfect like the Lord.

This is a common line of thought among those in opposition to conflict. The terrorists aren't poor, uneducated masses. Osama Bin Laden himself was a rich Saudi. The masterminds behind 9/11 were very educated; they had to be. These people aren't like they are for any reason other than belief. Oh, and honestly, social programs barely work here so I really don't want to meddle in that in other countries. It's also a myth that our presence incites violence. That's a talking point invented by bin Laden to justify attacking the US after the Gulf War. More troops leads to more enemy killed and more stability.

I think there's paragraph issues, this is how it looked when I quoted it.

Anyway to answer the questions:

The lady was instilling guilt in them, by reminding them on how they act at school vs. at home (sociology, peer pressure etc), like how a person might act all sweet at home, but swear their head off at school.

And people were killed by the respect of the authority (rampant in the middle ages). People should be respecting everyone as equals... Praying for leaders seems quite selfish... I would acknowledge someone as the leader of a place and respect them the same as I would any other... No one deserves more respect.

Age of accountability? Sounds relative... Even then what evidence is there (at least in the Bible) to prove of said age? I don't think circumcision, communion etc is enough, it doesn't really prove anything, especially in this day and age... Then again, it is not for us to determine or decide the fate of another innocent person (such as the child).

I don't see how humanism forces one to abandon Christianity though.

Why do you believe that Christianity and war must go hand in hand? Afterall this is only the mortal world, what good does it come from slaying the "enemy"? If Earth is Satan's realm, isn't it best just to leave it now?

 

[The Cynic]

The war should never have happened.
An eye for eye only ends up making the whole world blind.