Wild Pokemon fights! Who wins?

[OreoMaster]

So, just how in our world animals fight for survival everyday, in Pokemon world Pokemon would do the same in the wild. Some Pokemon are predators, some are prey and some are neither. So, which Pokemon would 'win' or come out alive in those fights?
Suppose the Pokemon can't run away and is determined to fight for its dear life. I know the Pokemon isn't found in the wild but just suppose it's wild. I just want to see if Blissey would be able to survive in the wild with those predators lurking. I think she is able to so it. What do you think?

Blissey vs Weavile

Blissey vs Persian

Blissey vs Tauros

Blissey vs Scyther

Blissey vs Kangaskhan

Blissey vs Vaporeon

Blissey vs Raticate

Blissey vs Dodrio

Blissey vs Ambipom

Blissey vs Absol

 

[Katie the Friendly Ghost]

Out of all of those, I think blissey's got the best chance against Vaporeon. I'm basing this purely off of her terrible Defense stat. So all the other guys would pretty much maul her.

 

[PlatinumDude]

I second what Katie said about Vaporeon. Blissey can wall whatever Vaporeon can throw at it. Everyone else mentioned can cause massive damage to Blissey because of its poor Defense to counterbalance its high HP.

Honestly I don't know where you get your ideas for those matchups

 

[Pokemon Trainer UV]

Question; I'm sorry if this comes off as rude but...are you super obsessed with Blissey? Like seriously..you bring up Blissey in every thread..

Anyways, I agree with the above as well. Most of those Pokemon are physical attackers that specialize in that area.
Except maybe Mighthyena and Raticate...although Raticate's super fang might really slow Blissey down.

 

[OreoMaster]

Yeah I am kinda obsessed with her. I always have her in my team. I mean, what's not cool about an egg creature that has a ton of HP and is just great like that? Only the idea that she has the most HP out of all Pokemon makes her cool. By the way, did you mean to say Absol instead of Mightyena? Because there is no Mightyena in there.

Anyway, Blissey may not be able to cope with Scyther well because well he has those blade arms. I am pretty sure though that she can put up a huge fight and even survive against Weavile, Persian, Dodrio, Raticate, Ambipom, Absol, Vaporeon and maybe even Tauros. I mean they are all kinda smaller than her except for Dodrio and Kangaskhan. Dodrio is just a bird so not a big deal.

Okay, Kangaskhan is maybe too large and strong for Blissey and Scyther can kill her with those blade arms. But all the others, I can't see why she wouldn't win. She is larger and she can take their hits and recover and retaliate back with Counter or Seismic Toss or just hit them with her weak attacks till they die.

 

[Pokemon Trainer UV]

Augh... I was thinking of the other thread...

 

[Ninjagon]

Well, what i am - what everyone is basing our answers on are Blissey's base stats.
This will sound repetitive, but Vaporeon is the only one Blissey could handle of those few.
Really random match-ups though.

 

[OreoMaster]

Well maybe but she could still give a long fight till it goes down.

Personally, I still think that a Raticate or Weavile(without Brick Break) can't brick her down. They are too small.

 

[PlatinumDude]

Well maybe but she could still give a long fight till it goes down.

Personally, I still think that a Raticate or Weavile(without Brick Break) can't brick her down. They are too small.

Think about those Pokemon from the video game perspective:

Raticate can potentially boost its Attack with Guts (via Flame Orb or Toxic Orb) or Hustle. A Guts- and STAB-boosted Facade from Raticate can cause massive damage to Blissey. Hustle-boosted Returns will hurt too, assuming they connect.

While most of Weavile's moves have average to low BP, it can still cause lots of damage to Blissey courtesy of its base 120 Attack with Ice Punch or Night Slash, or even Brick Break; Low Kick doesn't cut it. Taking Night Slash's high critical hit rate, Weavile can down Blissey in 1-2 hits, possibly 1-2 more if Blissey is EVed correctly.

In the anime perspective, you may be right.

 

[Pokemon Trainer UV]

Someone delete this post!

 

[OreoMaster]

PlatinumDude, as I said, we are talking about wild Pokemon here not competitive battling. Where would Raticate find a Flame Orb in the wild? Okay, I forgot about Hustle but anyway nothing comes without an expense and this one costs the accuracy. So it's not all good news. Raticate with Hustle has a chance but without it the damage dealt isn't much to kill her any time soon.

Also, Weavile doesn't have a chance especially now that I ran some calcs I can clearly see he can't hurt her much. First of all, Weavile can't use Brick Break as he can't learn it by any natural way(it's a TM).
Low Kick only 3HKO'es her.
Night Slash and Ice Punch 4HKO her.
Add Softboiled in and you get a long fight where Blissey is much more likely to win because of her higher stamina meaning that Weavile may even get tired and faint. Also, Blissey can damage him with Egg Bomb and Double Edge as he is quite frail. Last, let's not forget that Blissey can use Charm or Defense Curl which instantly make her much more durable.

I really think Blissey can beat Weavile.

By the way UV, Blissey learns Counter through breeding which is very likely in the wild. I mean, what's so weird about a Blissey breeding with a Breloom or something? To be honest, Blissey with Counter could take all of them easily because one Counter by Blissey is OHKO for anyone.

Also, considering that we are talking about Blissey then happiness doesn't have anything to do. It already evolved in Blissey meaning she had a lot of happiness. Now it's a Blissey and no matter how sad or happy it is, it won't change.

About the battles you brought up:

Zangoose vs Seviper - Zangoose wins. It has Immunity so Seviper can't really do anything to it while Zangoose dices Seviper with its claws. I mean, snakes only have their poison and since Zangoose doesn't bother then it can win. It's like mongoose vs cobra in real life. Mongoose wins.

Fearow vs Pidgeot - Fearow for me. It's much more powerful and its beak is huge and sharp.

Aerodactyl vs Bastiodon - Aerodactyl really can't do anything to Bastiodon as he is so durable. Bastiodon on the other hand, although offensively weak, can damage Aerodactyl with Metal Burst. I just can't see how Aerodactyl could hurt Bastiodon - Aerodactyl can't use Earthquake as it is a TM and those are wild battles.

Sharpedo vs Wailord - Uhum. We are talking about a small shark versus a ginormous whale. Wailord wins. I mean, Sharpedo can't kill him not only due to Wailord's high HP but due to size difference alone. Although Sharpedo is supposedly able to kill Wailord after 4 Crunches, I can't see how this would be done. Anyway, going with base stats Sharpedo wins. Going with logic, Wailord wins.

Gyarados vs Milotic - Milotic may win. It is quite bulky and has Recover. Also, Gyarados can't learn any moves capable of killing her naturally because they are all either weak or resisted. Milotic couldn't hurt him much either but at the very end of a very long battle, Milotic would win because she can recover damage while Gyarados can't.

Gengar wins.

 

[Pokemon Trainer UV]

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By the way UV, Blissey learns Counter through breeding which is very likely in the wild. I mean, what's so weird about a Blissey breeding with a Breloom or something? To be honest, Blissey with Counter could take all of them easily because one Counter by Blissey is OHKO for anyone.

Also, considering that we are talking about Blissey then happiness doesn't have anything to do. It already evolved in Blissey meaning she had a lot of happiness. Now it's a Blissey and no matter how sad or happy it is, it won't change.

Ohrly? Then why don't we get any Chensy in the wild with Counter, huh? Seriously dude, state what rules your following. You're first talking about anime rules, then game rules, and then yadda yadda. You're basically bending the rules just to let Blissey win.

 

[pleb]

Weavile Tauros Scyther Persian Kangaskhan Vaporeon Raticate Dodrio Ambipom Absol all win their battles.

 

[OreoMaster]

UV, I am not bending the rules. To be honest, I have no idea what rules you are talking about. What anime or game rules? I don't think I have ever said something about game or anime rules. I am talking about a fight between two Pokemon. Honestly, what's so hard to understand? It's a Blissey versus another Pokemon. They fight and someone dies. Who dies, who wins? THAT SIMPLE.

Oh and by the way, we may not get a Chansey with Counter in the wild but you can't just remove the possibilities. Even if it has a ratio of 0.0001% it IS still possible for a Chansey to breed with a Breloom. You are the one ruling out facts here.

Even without Counter though, Blissey is still very able to survive. As much as I like Blissey I'm not biased at all.
I understand that if any of them have a fighting move in their arsenal then Blissey won't have a happy time.
I get that Blissey would most likely lose to Kangaskhan after a long fight just because Kangaskhan is much larger and bulkier than the others.
Hippowdon will give her a rough time too and she will lose but the fight is going to be really long and tough because they are both bulky.

But I know, that Blissey can still put a huge fight with any of them because she can take a hit and also heal. Here is a small example :

Tauros uses Tackle.
Blissey uses Double Slap.
Tauros Take Down.
Blissey Pound.
Tauros Horn Attack.
Blissey Egg Bomb.
Tauros Horn attack.
Blissey Softboiled.
The above keeps going and going for a long time. Tauros will get exhausted at the end and either leave her alone or she will just keep attacking till he faints.

Oh may I remind you that Blissey has Charm in her arsenal too? Yeah, a humble Blissey with Charm - Softboiled - Egg Bomb - Pound will give any of them a very hard time. None of these guys will enjoy having their attack halved. And yes, Charm can be learned very naturally. Also, Defense Curl can be learned naturally too.

Sing, Softboiled, Defense Curl ans Charm are some very good moves that a Blissey can use to win.

 

[pleb]

Uhhhhh who where ya talking to exactly?

 

[Oryx]

He said UV, so he's talking to UV.

OreoMaster, what you're not understanding is that you're mixing two different canons which doesn't work in Pokemon. There's the games, which are based off of base stats and competitive battling. That's what most people would immediately assume when you talk about battling. However, then you mention size. Size means nothing in-game, that would only make a difference in a fight in the anime. So you have to make a decision if the fights you're talking about are fights in the anime or fights in the game, as those two are very different.

Also you can't rule out Flame Orb or Brick Break because a Pokemon may have found a dropped item or a dropped TM. To quote your own statements, "Even if it has a ratio of 0.0001% it IS still possible".

 

[OreoMaster]

Well Toujours, then I am talking about the anime because size is a huge factor. I mean, if Blissey had the same stats but was smaller she would be easier to beat because size does matter in a fight. Blissey has a very good chance to win most of them because she is larger than most of them, bulky and can heal itself over and over again. Charm as I said would help survival.

By the way, breeding is much more possible than a Pokemon finding a TM or an item dropped somewhere. This is something depending purely on luck. Breeding is possible whatsoever and not depending on luck. Two Pokemon make the decision and breed. Finding a dropped item isn't only luck reliant but kinda unrealistic too. It's like asking who wins the fight, a bear or a human, and you choose human because there may be a dropped grenade or machine gun somewhere near. Items are artificial thus they can't be taken granted in wild fights. And to be honest, TMs are too unrealistic not only because it's very improbable to find one dropped somewhere but because Pokemon wouldn't even know how to use it and learn the move.

Oh and Pleb, you really need to stop posting useless replies. Your first reply was clearly trolling as Vaporeon is special oriented thus could never win a Blissey. Your latter post was just as mindless.

 

[Oryx]

Please don't mini-moderate pleb's posts or insult him, OreoMaster. This is a warning.

I wouldn't argue that breeding with a Breloom is more likely than a Pokemon finding an item somewhere. If we're going into real animals here, we can cross-breed animals but the animals don't go for cross-breeding on their own. In addition, Breloom is a full foot shorter than Blissey and much smaller so if we're not going by egg groups in-game there's really no way they could actually breed (Skitty and Wailord can breed in-game but it wouldn't make sense in an anime universe).

And I also wouldn't argue that a Pokemon using an item or a TM move is something you need to take into account. However, you were the one that said nothing can be discounted, even if it only has a .0001% chance of happening. What about a released Pokemon that learned the move? You can't have it both ways, and allow your highly unlikely breeding scenario while dismissing the highly unlikely item scenario. Either both are too unlikely to be considered or both should be considered. It's fine if you choose to dismiss both because they're unlikely, if you'd like. It's also fine to accept both and consider them. It's just not fine to say that your scenario is more likely than theirs when there's no real reason to argue that.

 

[Pokemon Trainer UV]

Toujours said almost exactly what I have in mind!

As Toujour said, you are following two canons.
The games, and the anime.
Both of them have different rules. In one post you're talking about stats, and in the next you're talking about size, something that only applies in the anime.
(Actually, it doesn't apply there either. Pikachu has been able to flip a freakin' Milotic!)
Blissey is a respectable Pokemon, but it's not going to beat everyone.

Secondly, you're really obsessed with HP here. I don't think you understand the importance of Defense. HP is the amount the damage a Pokemon will take, Defense is how much damage it will take. It doesn't matter if she has a huge amount of HP, but if she's losing 20% to 40%% of her HP in one blow, then that's bad!
inb4 but Blissey can still take more wounds and blah blah blah
Your responses are getting a bit predictable here.

And Oreomaster, you're really coming off as rude here, why should your scenario be more likely than other's? And you're really implying that you think I'm an idiot, and you're also trying to moderate this thread when you have no right to do so.
I understand how frustrating it is when people say something that you don't like and they don't explain it, but seriously, don't be a jerk about it.

This thread seems pretty pointless too, considering that it has nothing to do with actual wild Pokemon battles, just Blissey. (At least apparently since people ignored my match-ups)
You should start a fan-club or something, and make Blissey discussions there, because this is General Pokemon, isn't it?
I'm not saying that you have to, but you should.

 

[OreoMaster]

Toujours, I'm really not moderating anyone so it would be very appreciated if you stopped telling me this in every single thread I make. I am not moderating. I am just expressing my honest opinion. He was indeed being useless and clearly he was just trolling around. If telling someone that they should stop leaving useless remarks in my thread is mini-moderating then you have every right to tell me that. If it comes off as moderating then you can be assured that I don't mean it. I am just telling him it would be better if he stopped all the nonsense in my thread.

About the breeding and item thing, better dismiss both as they would be very rare to even take in consideration. So, I make it clear that no items, TMs, breeding or tutor moves are allowed. Only leveling up. Although, my point was that breeding can actually happen in the wild without any external factors. It's the two Pokemon that decide to cross breed. TMs and items are completely reliant on luck. Suppose no trainers ever dropped an item or TM or no Pokemon was abandoned. This would mean that items and TMs would never fall in the hands of wild Pokemon. However, breeding is still possible. Also, Breloom is just 1 foot(30cm) shorter than Blissey. Where is the problem? Even if there is a problem, he could breed with Chansey and then the off spring would eventually evolve into Blissey.


UV, I am certain that I made it clear in a previous post that I am following the anime. The games aren't logical enough. Size does really matter so it can't be dismissed in any way.

About the HP, it does play a role. The higher the HP the more hits you can take. Defense is the most important of course but HP still matters. The resulting damage depends on both. Chansey has much lower Sp.Def than Milotic. One would think that Milotic is a better special wall. Wrong. Chansey is much better because it has a much higher HP. HP is important but not alone. I never said anything about HP being the only factor determining the damage dealt. I only said that Blissey is cool because it has a ton of HP which is indeed useful in her survival. If she had less HP than what she has now, she would be much frailer. That's how I meant it. It's not my fault if you misunderstood it.

Oh UV, cut the straw men. You misrepresent my statements. I didn't imply that you are an idiot. You are making all this up so as to have something to use against me. It's all in your head. Never implied anything. You are either doing it on purpose or you are really touchy. I just said that my scenario is more likely for the reasons I explained earlier. It doesn't rely on luck. If Pokemon want to breed they will breed. However, no matter how much Pokemon want to learn a TM or get an item they can't unless one has been dropped by a trainer. Breeding is up to Pokemon - if a Blissey wants to learn Counter it may try to breed with Breloom - while finding an item is up to the trainers not the Pokemon thus breeding is much more accessible.
As I said, I am not moderating anyone. Just stating my opinion and frustration against his useless posts.

Last, the thread is about wild pokemon battles. It's just revolving mainly around Blissey. Basically as long as there are two wild Pokemon battling, it is called a wild Pokemon battle.