Rezilia said:
Oh, we're resorting to name calling now? That's low, and it only makes you look bad.
Before I get started, I would like to thank CoffeeDrink for taking the time to write that out. Although I don't think that movies are the best source of information, he does bring up some really good points. I think that this case was a tragic misunderstanding, and although I feel sorry for what happened, it was the kid's fault.
Really Rezilia, I have no freaking clue where you stand. You keep changing what you say so much.
Rezilia said:
If you kill a person, with a gun, in self-defense - you have to fight DANG hard to prove it was self-defense, and even then you can still go to jail.
If a policeman kills a person with a gun, they're scott free because it's in their job description.
I'm sure that's COMPLETELY fair.
So, you're against police shooting people, right?
Rezilia said:
I may have come off as being anti-police, but that isn't the case.
The police in this incident followed EVERY procedure they were taught to and acted as they were taught to act.
Umm, maybe not?
Rezilia said:
This nation was founded on the idea of no taxes, and here we are swimming in them.
Okay, some pretty flawed history right here. So, here's what I said against that.
Slayr231 said:
Please tell me you're kidding, please tell me you misspoke. The reason we got upset wasn't over taxes, it was because we were being taxed by the British without having someone ever here seeing how it was going. Does the phrase "taxation without representation" mean anything? But, that's off topic, so I'll end it there.
So, my point was that we were being taxed without having anyone representing us. I thought I made it pretty clear, but then you said:
Rezilia said:
The taxes issue extended to a hatred of taxes in general, period.
But you want to make it without rep? Fine.
The colonists were being represented in England, just not by their fellow colonists.
Now, citizens in Murica are being represented in DC, just not by those that think alike.
So, we're agreeing about the taxation without representation? And please, I live in America, not 'Murica. Murica was a phrase coined to poke fun at the hillbilly side of America and it's used to show how unintelligent Americans are. Please, for my sake, leave it out. I don't get it, I thought we were in agreement. Why is this phrased like we disagree with each other? By the way, I'm pretty sure people would hate taxes regardless. I don't like it when people take my money.
Rezilia said:
"police department" "researchers"
"government doesn't control what the police do"
"lethal" "safe and most efficient"
I am so confused by what you meant here. Quotations are only used when you're taking EXACT quotes from other people. Nowhere in 007_eleven's post did I see the words "Government doesn't control what the police do". This is what came closest:
007_Eleven said:
It is the decision of police departments researchers, not the government, to use firearms.
Okay, I kind of see where you got it, but you took it too far. I'll agree with the fact that police departments (at least here) don't have their own researchers. Please don't put words into other people's mouth. It's not fair, nice, or respectable.
Before I delve into the topic of tazers, I have a story.
Recently (like last week recent), a man was tazed at a gym and killed in my local area. I mean KILLED. Tazer malfunctions happen, and accidents do to, so don't go saying tazers won't kill anybody, when they can.
You're saying that pistols are unreliable because they're inaccurate. Just so I know for a fact, here's the quote.
Rezilia said:
So, basically, we should IGNORE the fact that the inaccuracy of pistols - which REQUIRES police to aim at a person's chest/stomach area INSTEAD of everywhere else - is a huge danger to the populace around the criminal? Because, obviously, if a policeman misses the target when using a lethal weapon, it DEFINITELY won't kill the bystander that gets hit...by the lethal weapon.
Well, what if I told you that tazers are inaccurate too? What if I told you that they're even more inaccurate? With this statement:
Rezilia said:
Tasers. Are not meant to be. 10m in length.
They just are like that right now - and if you had listened to me, you would have acknowledged when I said that a FOCUS ON TASERS would hype up taser research, quickly increasing the distance that tasers affect. And if you think tasers can't be turned into more ranged weapons, you're wrong. What do you think projectile knives are for? It is easy to eject the electric part of tasers, having it set to go off at a certain time and only use only a certain amount of electricity at that time.
So, projectile knives would be safer? I find that hard to swallow. Even if tazers are developed more, it will still be outclassed by a gun. Projectile knives are horribly inaccurate, even more so than a pistol, and at the speeds needed to travel long distances, the knives would rip through bodies and end up killing people anyway.
Guns are the best option when dealing with these types of situations as of right now. They're more accurate than tazers, are more effective at bringing people down, and can be used at longer distances. That's what 007_eleven meant by the things he said. They're not necessarily safe for the target, no definitely not, but they are the safest for the innocent bystanders. By the way, with the way you're describing pistols, it makes it seem like we're fighting with the old time muskets that couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Pistols might not be the most accurate gun, but they aren't as inaccurate as you make them out to be. Now if there is a statement I can get behind, it's this:
007_eleven said:
If my mystical sci-fi non-lethal laser option was available and effective then i'm sure cops would take that in a second rather than having to take a persons life, however it is clearly not an option (yet)
Before I end my rant, I have one more thing.
Rezilia said:
But you know why that's a bad idea? BECAUSE IF YOU DETACH THE ELECTRIC PART, IT MEANS YOU BECOME WEAPONLESS. THAT is why tasers reel back in, you stupid foal.
It might be just me, but what the heck are you saying here? This makes literally zero sense to me. Tazers don't just reel back in at the press of a button (at least the ones I've seen don't), so I don't understand your logic here.