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I'm new to competitive battling, which of these Pokemon would be great for a team?

JolteonTheBest

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    Hey everyone I've decided that I want to do competitive battling on Black 2, but I'm not sure what Pokemon would be best to form a team. Do you think some of you could pick out five Pokemon that would make a great team? (I say five because I've already picked out Jolteon for my first choice, and I'm not changing it). And if you can can you tell me what use the Pokemon would be best for? (You'd think I would already know what they are best at but sadly I don't LOL). Thanks everyone, it means a lot!

    List:
    (UPDATED)

    Drapion
    Togekiss
    Blastoise
    Gliscor
    Scrafty
    Poliwrath
    Milotic
    Heracross
    Ludicolo
    Donphan
    Ambipom
    Swampert
    Walrein
    Kecleon
    Infernape
    Roserade
    Lickilicky
    Salamence
    Sudowoodo
    Dragonite
    Metagross
    Dusknoir
    Golurk
    Pinsir
    Muk
    Krookodile
    Rotom (Heat, Wash, Frost, Fan, or Mow)
     
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    LeftNut

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    Technically, every single one of those pokemon has the potential to be great. Personally, I like to follow a motto of "Don't choose the best, pick your favourites and make them the best," so if you tell me your favourites out of that huge list, I can give you a great setup for each one.
     

    JolteonTheBest

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    LeftNut said:
    Technically, every single one of those pokemon has the potential to be great. Personally, I like to follow a motto of "Don't choose the best, pick your favourites and make them the best," so if you tell me your favourites out of that huge list, I can give you a great setup for each one.
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    These are my favorites LOL. I'll try my best to narrow it down:

    Drapion
    Togekiss
    Blastoise
    Gliscor
    Scrafty
    Poliwrath
    Milotic
    Heracross
    Ludicolo
    Donphan
    Ambipom
    Swampert
    Walrein
    Kecleon
    Infernape
    Roserade
    Lickilicky
    Salamence
    Sudowoodo
    Dragonite
    Metagross
    Dusknoir
    Golurk
    Pinsir
    Muk
    Krookodile
    Rotom (Heat, Wash, Frost, Fan, or Mow)

    BEST I could do, lol.

    PlatinumDude said:
    Look at Smogon's tier list for the Pokémon that are viable in OU. Normally, I'd pick out any specifics out of your list, but it's too big. xD
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    Oh does my team have to be in the same tiers? I honestly don't have a clue about competitive battling lol, so I'm not allowed to use a team with Pokemon from different tiers?
     
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    PlatinumDude

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    • JolteonTheBest said:
    These are my favorites LOL. I'll try my best to narrow it down:

    Drapion
    Togekiss
    Blastoise
    Gliscor
    Scrafty
    Poliwrath
    Milotic
    Heracross
    Ludicolo
    Donphan
    Ambipom
    Swampert
    Walrein
    Kecleon
    Infernape
    Roserade
    Lickilicky
    Salamence
    Sudowoodo
    Dragonite
    Metagross
    Dusknoir
    Golurk
    Pinsir
    Muk
    Krookodile
    Rotom (Heat, Wash, Frost, Fan, or Mow)

    BEST I could do, lol.


    Oh does my team have to be in the same tiers? I honestly don't have a clue about competitive battling lol, so I'm not allowed to use a team with Pokemon from different tiers?
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    It's possible to use Pokémon from different tiers in the same team, but the environment you must play in with that team is the Pokémon in the highest tier among them. Say you use a team of Dragonite, Metagross, Scrafty, Donphan, Roserade and Golurk. You must play in the OU tier because Dragonite, Metagross and Donphan are OU Pokémon. Roserade and Scrafty are in UU, while Golurk is in NU.

    A Pokémon's movepool, type and/or base stats determine its viability in the OU tier, which is the main tier everyone plays.
     

    JolteonTheBest

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    PlatinumDude said:
    It's possible to use Pokémon from different tiers in the same team, but the environment you must play in with that team is the Pokémon in the highest tier among them. Say you use a team of Dragonite, Metagross, Scrafty, Donphan, Roserade and Golurk. You must play in the OU tier because Dragonite, Metagross and Donphan are OU Pokémon. Roserade and Scrafty are in UU, while Golurk is in NU.

    A Pokémon's movepool, type and/or base stats determine its viability in the OU tier, which is the main tier everyone plays.
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    Oh I see, so if I had four Pokemon in UU and two in OU I would have to play UU? Well if I still get to use a mix of tiers that's not bad. But I should have a team with at least three in OU because most people probably play in that tier, right?

    JolteonTheBest said:
    Oh I see, so if I had four Pokemon in UU and two in OU I would have to play UU? Well if I still get to use a mix of tiers that's not bad. But I should have a team with at least three in OU because most people probably play in that tier, right?
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    Wait nevermind I just noticed you said OU is the main tier lol.
     
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    PlatinumDude

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    • JolteonTheBest said:
    Oh I see, so if I had four Pokemon in UU and two in OU I would have to play UU? Well if I still get to use a mix of tiers that's not bad. But I should have a team with at least three in OU because most people probably play in that tier, right?


    Wait nevermind I just noticed you said OU is the main tier lol.
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    No. You still play the OU tier as you have 2 OU Pokémon in the team. OU Pokémon can't be used in UU, RU and NU. UU Pokémon can't be used in RU and NU. RU Pokémon can't be used in NU.

    Here are what the tiers mean:
    -Uber (Pokémon that are too good in OU go here)
    -OverUsed (OU)
    -UnderUsed (UU)
    -RarelyUsed (RU)
    -NeverUsed (NU)
     

    JolteonTheBest

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    PlatinumDude said:
    No. You still play the OU tier as you have 2 OU Pokémon in the team. OU Pokémon can't be used in UU, RU and NU. UU Pokémon can't be used in RU and NU. RU Pokémon can't be used in NU.

    Here are what the tiers mean:
    -Uber (Pokémon that are too good in OU go here)
    -OverUsed (OU)
    -UnderUsed (UU)
    -RarelyUsed (RU)
    -NeverUsed (NU)
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    Oh I see, that makes plenty of sense. I think I will take a look at these tier groups. This might actually make my team building easier. Thanks a lot!
     

    LeftNut

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    JolteonTheBest said:
    These are my favorites LOL. I'll try my best to narrow it down:

    Drapion
    Togekiss
    Blastoise
    Gliscor
    Scrafty
    Poliwrath
    Milotic
    Heracross
    Ludicolo
    Donphan
    Ambipom
    Swampert
    Walrein
    Kecleon
    Infernape
    Roserade
    Lickilicky
    Salamence
    Sudowoodo
    Dragonite
    Metagross
    Dusknoir
    Golurk
    Pinsir
    Muk
    Krookodile
    Rotom (Heat, Wash, Frost, Fan, or Mow)

    BEST I could do, lol.
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    WAY to much work to make something for every pokemon on there man, if you pick the 5 you intend to use I can do the rest easy. On possible team could go something like this:

    Donphan: Earthquake, Seed Bomb, Ice Shard and Head Smash. Give it Leftovers.

    Dragonite: Dragondance, outrage, fire punch, thunderpunch. Give a lum berry to cure the outrage confusion

    Heracross: Megahorn, close combat, stone edge, swords dance. Give it either a choice scarf or a white herb.

    Ambipom: Fake out, return, low kick, shadow claw. Give it a lifeorb and make sure it''s ability is technician. Send him out first

    Salamance: It's like having two dragonites, set it up similarly. As long as it has outrage and dragondance you should be good. You can also give him a focus sash to cover his ice weakness. Try to get one with the Moxie ability, it helps a lot
     

    PlatinumDude

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    WAY to much work to make something for every pokemon on there man, if you pick the 5 you intend to use I can do the rest easy. On possible team could go something like this:

    Donphan: Earthquake, Seed Bomb, Ice Shard and Head Smash. Give it Leftovers.

    Dragonite: Dragondance, outrage, fire punch, thunderpunch. Give a lum berry to cure the outrage confusion

    Heracross: Megahorn, close combat, stone edge, swords dance. Give it either a choice scarf or a white herb.

    Ambipom: Fake out, return, low kick, shadow claw. Give it a lifeorb and make sure it''s ability is technician. Send him out first

    Salamance: It's like having two dragonites, set it up similarly. As long as it has outrage and dragondance you should be good. You can also give him a focus sash to cover his ice weakness. Try to get one with the Moxie ability, it helps a lot
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    I'm afraid I have to disagree on Dragonite. It doesn't need ThunderPunch; its only notable target is Gyarados, who's still hit hard by Outrage anyway:
    -Dragon Dance
    -Outrage
    -Fire Punch
    -ExtremeSpeed/Earthquake/Roost
    Nature: Adamant/Jolly
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 SDef/252 Spe
    Item: Leftovers/Lum Berry
    Ability: Multiscale

    or
    -Outrage
    -ExtremeSpeed
    -Fire Punch/Waterfall
    -Earthquake/Superpower
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
    Item: Choice Band
    Ability: Multiscale

    or
    -Draco Meteor
    -Fire Blast/Flamethrower
    -Thunder Wave
    -Roost
    Nature: Modest
    EVs: 252 HP/252 SAtk/4 SDef
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Multiscale

    or
    -Dragon Tail
    -Substitute
    -Thunder Wave/Flamethrower
    -Roost
    Nature: Careful
    EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 SDef
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Multiscale

    And I'm afraid I have to disagree on Donphan being used for all-out offense too; it's better off as an offensive Rapid Spinner to clear away entry hazards:
    -Earthquake
    -Rapid Spin
    -Head Smash/Stone Edge/Stealth Rock
    -Ice Shard
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 Def
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Sturdy

    Heracross is somewhat defensively weak to use Swords Dance, though its Special Defense is decent:
    -Megahorn
    -Close Combat
    -Stone Edge
    -Sleep Talk/Night Slash/Pursuit
    Nature: Adamant/Jolly
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
    Item: Choice Band/Choice Scarf
    Ability: Guts/Moxie

    or
    -Megahorn
    -Close Combat
    -Facade
    -Stone Edge/Night Slash
    Nature: Adamant/Jolly
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
    Item: Flame Orb
    Ability: Guts

    or
    -Substitute
    -Megahorn
    -Close Combat
    -Stone Edge
    Nature: Jolly
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Guts

    Yache Berry covers the Ice weakness more easily than Focus Sash, IMO, on Salamence
     

    JolteonTheBest

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    PlatinumDude said:
    I'm afraid I have to disagree on Dragonite. It doesn't need ThunderPunch; its only notable target is Gyarados, who's still hit hard by Outrage anyway:
    -Dragon Dance
    -Outrage
    -Fire Punch
    -ExtremeSpeed/Earthquake/Roost
    Nature: Adamant/Jolly
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 SDef/252 Spe
    Item: Leftovers/Lum Berry
    Ability: Multiscale

    or
    -Outrage
    -ExtremeSpeed
    -Fire Punch/Waterfall
    -Earthquake/Superpower
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
    Item: Choice Band
    Ability: Multiscale

    or
    -Draco Meteor
    -Fire Blast/Flamethrower
    -Thunder Wave
    -Roost
    Nature: Modest
    EVs: 252 HP/252 SAtk/4 SDef
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Multiscale

    or
    -Dragon Tail
    -Substitute
    -Thunder Wave/Flamethrower
    -Roost
    Nature: Careful
    EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 SDef
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Multiscale

    And I'm afraid I have to disagree on Donphan being used for all-out offense too; it's better off as an offensive Rapid Spinner to clear away entry hazards:
    -Earthquake
    -Rapid Spin
    -Head Smash/Stone Edge/Stealth Rock
    -Ice Shard
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 Def
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Sturdy

    Heracross is somewhat defensively weak to use Swords Dance, though its Special Defense is decent:
    -Megahorn
    -Close Combat
    -Stone Edge
    -Sleep Talk/Night Slash/Pursuit
    Nature: Adamant/Jolly
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
    Item: Choice Band/Choice Scarf
    Ability: Guts/Moxie

    or
    -Megahorn
    -Close Combat
    -Facade
    -Stone Edge/Night Slash
    Nature: Adamant/Jolly
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
    Item: Flame Orb
    Ability: Guts

    or
    -Substitute
    -Megahorn
    -Close Combat
    -Stone Edge
    Nature: Jolly
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Guts

    Yache Berry covers the Ice weakness more easily than Focus Sash, IMO, on Salamence
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    Well if I had to come up with a team out of my list, it would be:

    Jolteon
    Ludicolo
    Salamence
    Scrafty
    Donphan
    and I'm not too sure what to have for a sixth Pokemon. Maybe Roserade to set up Toxic Spikes? I'm not sure.
     

    PlatinumDude

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    Well if I had to come up with a team out of my list, it would be:

    Jolteon
    Ludicolo
    Salamence
    Scrafty
    Donphan
    and I'm not too sure what to have for a sixth Pokemon. Maybe Roserade to set up Toxic Spikes? I'm not sure.
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    Ludicolo is only good on Rain teams, due to its Rain Dish ability or if it's there to check opposing Rain teams. IMO, Kingdra is a better rain check because its dual STABs have good neutral coverage.
     

    JolteonTheBest

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    PlatinumDude said:
    Ludicolo is only good on Rain teams, due to its Rain Dish ability or if it's there to check opposing Rain teams. IMO, Kingdra is a better rain check because its dual STABs have good neutral coverage.
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    Okay, so

    Jolteon
    Kingdra
    Salamence
    Scrafty
    Donphan

    I feel as though I could use a Pokemon that good with afflicting statuses, but I'm not sure what to use for that kind of job. So far I think my team is looking quite good, despite not knowing good move sets for some of them.
     

    PlatinumDude

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    Okay, so

    Jolteon
    Kingdra
    Salamence
    Scrafty
    Donphan

    I feel as though I could use a Pokemon that good with afflicting statuses, but I'm not sure what to use for that kind of job. So far I think my team is looking quite good, despite not knowing good move sets for some of them.
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    Here are some sets for each of them:

    Jolteon:
    -Thunderbolt
    -Volt Switch
    -Signal Beam
    -Hidden Power (Ice)
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb/Choice Specs
    Ability: Volt Absorb

    Kingdra:
    -Rain Dance
    -Hydro Pump/Surf
    -Draco Meteor
    -Dragon Pulse/Surf/Ice Beam
    Nature: Modest
    EVs: 40 HP/240 SAtk/228 Spe
    Item: Life Orb/Damp Rock
    Ability: Swift Swim

    or
    -Substitute
    -Dragon Dance
    -Waterfall
    -Outrage
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 40 HP/228 Atk/12 Def/228 Spe
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Swift Swim

    or
    -Draco Meteor
    -Hydro Pump
    -Dragon Pulse/Ice Beam
    -Surf/Ice Beam
    Nature: Modest/Timid
    EVs: 28 HP/252 SAtk/228 Spe
    Item: Choice Specs
    Ability: Swift Swim

    or
    -Dragon Dance
    -Waterfall
    -Outrage
    -Rest
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 152 HP/96 Atk/32 SDef/228 Spe
    Item: Chesto Berry
    Ability: Swift Swim

    or
    -Dragon Dance
    -Outrage
    -Waterfall/Hydro Pump
    -Hidden Power (Fire)/Draco Meteor
    Nature: Naughty/Lonely
    EVs: 136 Atk/136 SAtk/236 Spe
    Item: Life Orb/Lum Berry
    Ability: Swift Swim

    Salamence:
    -Outrage
    -Dragon Claw
    -Earthquake
    -Fire Blast/Aqua Tail
    Nature: Naive/Jolly
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Choice Scarf
    Ability: Moxie

    or
    -Dragon Dance
    -Outrage
    -Earthquake
    -Fire Blast/Hydro Pump
    Nature: Naive
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb/Lum Berry/Yache Berry

    or
    -Draco Meteor
    -Outrage
    -Earthquake
    -Fire Blast
    Nature: Naive
    EVs: 64 Atk/252 SAtk/192 Spe
    Item: Life Orb

    Scrafty:
    -Dragon Dance
    -Hi Jump Kick/Drain Punch
    -Crunch
    -Ice Punch/Zen Headbutt
    Nature: Jolly
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb/Lum Berry
    Ability: Shed Skin/Moxie

    or
    -Bulk Up
    -Drain Punch
    -Crunch/Dragon Tail
    -Rest
    Nature: Careful
    EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 SDef
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Shed Skin
     

    JolteonTheBest

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    PlatinumDude said:
    Here are some sets for each of them:

    Jolteon:
    -Thunderbolt
    -Volt Switch
    -Signal Beam
    -Hidden Power (Ice)
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb/Choice Specs
    Ability: Volt Absorb

    Kingdra:
    -Rain Dance
    -Hydro Pump/Surf
    -Draco Meteor
    -Dragon Pulse/Surf/Ice Beam
    Nature: Modest
    EVs: 40 HP/240 SAtk/228 Spe
    Item: Life Orb/Damp Rock
    Ability: Swift Swim

    or
    -Substitute
    -Dragon Dance
    -Waterfall
    -Outrage
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 40 HP/228 Atk/12 Def/228 Spe
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Swift Swim

    or
    -Draco Meteor
    -Hydro Pump
    -Dragon Pulse/Ice Beam
    -Surf/Ice Beam
    Nature: Modest/Timid
    EVs: 28 HP/252 SAtk/228 Spe
    Item: Choice Specs
    Ability: Swift Swim

    or
    -Dragon Dance
    -Waterfall
    -Outrage
    -Rest
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 152 HP/96 Atk/32 SDef/228 Spe
    Item: Chesto Berry
    Ability: Swift Swim

    or
    -Dragon Dance
    -Outrage
    -Waterfall/Hydro Pump
    -Hidden Power (Fire)/Draco Meteor
    Nature: Naughty/Lonely
    EVs: 136 Atk/136 SAtk/236 Spe
    Item: Life Orb/Lum Berry
    Ability: Swift Swim

    Salamence:
    -Outrage
    -Dragon Claw
    -Earthquake
    -Fire Blast/Aqua Tail
    Nature: Naive/Jolly
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Choice Scarf
    Ability: Moxie

    or
    -Dragon Dance
    -Outrage
    -Earthquake
    -Fire Blast/Hydro Pump
    Nature: Naive
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb/Lum Berry/Yache Berry

    or
    -Draco Meteor
    -Outrage
    -Earthquake
    -Fire Blast
    Nature: Naive
    EVs: 64 Atk/252 SAtk/192 Spe
    Item: Life Orb

    Scrafty:
    -Dragon Dance
    -Hi Jump Kick/Drain Punch
    -Crunch
    -Ice Punch/Zen Headbutt
    Nature: Jolly
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb/Lum Berry
    Ability: Shed Skin/Moxie

    or
    -Bulk Up
    -Drain Punch
    -Crunch/Dragon Tail
    -Rest
    Nature: Careful
    EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 SDef
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Shed Skin
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    Cool, thanks a lot! And I think I'll use that offensive Rapid Spinner move set for Donphan that you stated earlier. As for my sixth Pokemon I'm still not sure. Once I think of one I might try and come up with my own move set for it. Thanks a lot!
     
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