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3rd Gen Giovanni's ace in FR/LG
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My only guess is the remakes made Kanto easier to progress. My reasoning comes from the Elite Four having their pokemon levels lowered than in the originals.
I don't think Rhydon is that much powerful, is it? And I think the reason that the elite four and the champion have levels reduced is because rematch exists. Do you have some more reasons?
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If I had to guess, it was to reduce the ammount of late-game grinding for the final fights of the game. I actually just finished a playthrough of Yellow, and when I got to the league I was anywhere from level 40-45, while the 8th gym already had levels in the mid 50s. Still odd they devolved it when lower levels would have done just fine.
In FR/LG, the levels were only reduced to two for the elite four and the champion. So the late-game grinding won't change much. I just want a reason which makes sense for Giovanni's ace in FR/LG so I can be fine with it.
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There was something in the first three Gens called "Badge Boosts" which granted an invisible power-up to all your Pokémon stats by the time you had all gym badges.
Badge boost was 12.5% in Gen 1-2, nerfed to 10% in Gen 3, and completely removed from Gen 4 onwards. So even at two levels lower the FRLG Elite Four is probably still stronger than their RBY counterpart.
This is an aspect that many players (myself included) didn't know when playing Gen 1-2, leading to the wrong idea that grinding levels for the Elite Four was necessary to prevent being unfairly underpowered, when you can actually be overpowered in those games even when apparently underlevelled.
As for the Rhydon thing, I suppose it might have been just a mistake. Rhydon was never an issue to deal with as it got outspeed and destroyed by any Grass or Water move in Gen 1-3, or by any strong special attacker due to its garbage special Defense.
Badge boost was 12.5% in Gen 1-2, nerfed to 10% in Gen 3, and completely removed from Gen 4 onwards. So even at two levels lower the FRLG Elite Four is probably still stronger than their RBY counterpart.
This is an aspect that many players (myself included) didn't know when playing Gen 1-2, leading to the wrong idea that grinding levels for the Elite Four was necessary to prevent being unfairly underpowered, when you can actually be overpowered in those games even when apparently underlevelled.
As for the Rhydon thing, I suppose it might have been just a mistake. Rhydon was never an issue to deal with as it got outspeed and destroyed by any Grass or Water move in Gen 1-3, or by any strong special attacker due to its garbage special Defense.
I know that you can become champion even if you're underleveled, because I watched some videos.
I also think it might be a mistake. Even if Rhydon can be defeated easily, it's presence feels strong. And just like Rhydon, any Pokemon who is rock and ground type can be defeated by any grass or water type attack.
In HG/SS, Giovanni only has four Pokemon, and doesn't have Rhydon and some other Pokemon. He could have fill the two slots, but just like many gym leaders in HG/SS, he just didn't. I think him not having Rhydon in HG/SS makes sense since he didn't had it either in FR/LG, right?
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Where is Giovanni in HGSS? Isn't the gym leader Blue?
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Giovanni is an event exclusive battle. Get a special celebi and you travel to the past to fight him
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Oh I had no idea. I used to (and still do) hate events haha, this is why! Imagine losing out on content like this.
I think it's ok if Giovanni has Rhyhorn instead of Rhydon, because there are many gym leaders and trainers that have Pokemon that shouldn't have. For example, Bruno, the fighting specialist, has two Onix, Agatha, the ghost specialist, has a team that looks more like poison type team instead of ghost type etc.
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Oh, this thread's been dead for a year. Maybe because I said, "I think it's ok". I probably won't get another reply, since it's dead, but I still want the answer, since no Kanto gym leader's ace is an unevolved Pokemon (the exception being Onix, since there's no non-Kanto Pokemon unless post-game).
Edit: I think I finally found a justification. Rhyhorn learns Megahorn (the last move learnt by it in gen 3) at level 57, while Rhydon learns that at 66. I'm not sure if Giovanni knows the learnset of Rhyhorn, but I believe he definitely knows that Pokemon learn moves sooner if they're not evolved too soon. I think he kept his ace unevolved just to make sure that if it can learn more moves sooner.
Edit: I think I finally found a justification. Rhyhorn learns Megahorn (the last move learnt by it in gen 3) at level 57, while Rhydon learns that at 66. I'm not sure if Giovanni knows the learnset of Rhyhorn, but I believe he definitely knows that Pokemon learn moves sooner if they're not evolved too soon. I think he kept his ace unevolved just to make sure that if it can learn more moves sooner.
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