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ORAS competitive team? Good or Bad?

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  • Please give me honest opinions about this possible competitive team

    Mawile @ Mawilite
    Ability: Intimidate
    -Swords Dance
    -Play Rough
    -Sucker Punch
    - Iron Head

    Salamence @ Not sure yet
    Ability: Intimidate
    -Draco Meteor
    -Dragon Pulse
    -Fire Blast
    -Stone Edge

    Metagross @ Life Orb
    Ability: Clear Body
    -Meteor Mash
    -Earthquake
    -Grass Knot
    -Zen Headbutt

    Crobat @ Black Sludge
    Ability: Inner Focus
    - U-Turn
    - Sludge Bomb
    -Toxic
    -Fly

    Kyogre @ Blue Orb
    Ability: Drizzle
    -Water Spout
    -Thunderbolt
    -Ice Beam
    -Scary Face

    Gallade @ Lum Berry
    Ability: Steadfast
    -Close Combat
    -Wide Guard
    -Swords Dance
    -Stone Edge


    Honest opinions please! I need the constructive criticism!
     

    PlatinumDude

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  • What tier are you playing? Smogon OU? Battle Spot? VGC? This team is out of place if it's in Smogon OU, as Mega Mawile and Kyogre are Ubers and regular Gallade and Crobat are mediocre in the OU tier.
     

    PlatinumDude

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  • Battle Spot singles or Battle Spot doubles? Because some Pokemon function better in one format than others (Crobat isn't that good in singles, but it can provide some neat support in doubles). Also, you need EVs for each of your Pokemon, as they're important in competitive play.

    VGC:
    In doubles, Mawile needs 116 HP/252 Atk/140 Spe to outspeed +Speed Mega Salamence under Tailwind. Use Protect over Swords Dance because you're unlikely to set up Swords Dance given Mawile's low Speed and the general fast pace of doubles. Protect also has excellent utility, from stalling out opposing field conditions to letting a partner take out a troublesome opponent. However, Ferrothorn is worth considering because it can handle opposing Primal Kyogre nicely:
    -Power Whip
    -Gyro Ball
    -Leech Seed
    -Protect
    Nature: Sassy
    EVs: 252 HP/220 Atk/36 SDef
    Item: Lum Berry
    Ability: Iron Barbs

    Mega Salamence is superior to its regular counterpart because the former has the Aerilate ability to make its Normal moves Flying. Flying has solid neutral coverage, even hitting Fairy Pokemon hard. You can get away with two Mega Evolutions in VGC and Battle Spot because you can pick one depending on the matchup:
    -Draco Meteor/Tailwind
    -Double-Edge
    -Hyper Voice
    -Protect
    Nature: Naive
    EVs: 4 Atk/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Salamencite
    Ability: Intimidate

    I'm iffy about using Metagross and Mawile/Ferrothorn on the same team, as they have redundant roles in Fairy counters. That, and regular Metagross is overshadowed by Mega Metagross in terms of performance. Consider Cresselia for support purposes:
    -Psychic/Ice Beam/Icy Wind
    -Helping Hand
    -Gravity
    -Skill Swap
    Nature: Sassy
    EVs: 244 HP/108 Def/156 SDef
    Item: Sitrus Berry/Mental Herb

    Scary Face has little use in general, as despite its Speed control potential, other moves like Tailwind, Trick Room, and Icy Wind are superior. The former two affect the whole team, while the latter also deals damage to both targets. Kyogre has little use for Thunderbolt, as that move is outclassed by Thunder, which is perfectly accurate in rain. Water Spout is a move you need to be cautious about, as it will weaken as Kyogre takes damage:
    -Water Spout/Origin Pulse
    -Ice Beam
    -Thunder/Scald/Origin Pulse
    -Protect
    Nature: Modest
    EVs: 252 HP/180 Def/76 SAtk or 116 HP/140 Def/252 SAtk
    Item: Blue Orb

    Crobat has the right support movepool to function in doubles. Using an offensive set on it is a waste of time because of its middling offenses and shallow offensive move pool:
    -Super Fang
    -Tailwind
    -Taunt
    -Quick Guard
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 Spe or 44 HP/236 Def/228 Spe
    Item: Lum Berry/Mental Herb
    Ability: Inner Focus

    As cool as regular Gallade is, I don't think it deserves a spot in VGC teams, as its Mega counterpart outclasses it and its middling Speed in conjunction with its frailty on the physical end makes it easy pickings for faster Pokemon. Machamp is something worth considering over it because it provides Wide Guard support to block spread moves:
    -Dynamic Punch
    -Knock Off/Stone Edge/Protect
    -Ice Punch/Stone Edge/Protect
    -Wide Guard
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 SDef
    Item: Sitrus Berry/Lum Berry
    Ability: No Guard

    Even with the above changes, you still have to be careful with Talonflame.

    Battle Spot:

    I'll assume singles here, as I don't have much experience with BS doubles.

    Mawile's set is fine as is; just use 132 HP/252 Atk/124 Spe as the EV spread.

    Always use Mega Salamence in formats where it isn't banned; Battle Spot is one of these formats:
    -Dragon Dance
    -Return/Double-Edge
    -Earthquake
    -Roost/Fire Blast/Hyper Voice
    Nature: Adamant/Jolly/Naughty/Naive
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
    Item: Salamencite
    Ability: Intimidate

    or
    -Draco Meteor
    -Return/Double-Edge
    -Fire Blast
    -Earthquake/Roost/Hyper Voice
    Nature: Naive/Rash
    EVs: 4 Atk/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Salamencite
    Ability: Intimidate

    or
    -Substitute
    -Toxic
    -Return/Double-Edge
    -Roost
    Nature: Jolly
    EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 Spe
    Item: Salamencite
    Ability: Intimidate

    Or you can consider Garchomp for its ability to deal with physical attackers effectively because of Rough Skin:
    -Outrage
    -Earthquake
    -Stealth Rock/Swords Dance
    -Dragon Claw/Rock Tomb/Fire Blast
    Nature: Jolly/Naive
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
    Item: Focus Sash/Lum Berry/Rocky Helmet
    Ability: Rough Skin

    or
    -Outrage
    -Earthquake
    -Dragon Claw/Dual Chop
    -Stone Edge/Rock Slide/Fire Fang
    Nature: Jolly
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
    Item: Choice Band/Choice Scarf

    or
    -Swords Dance
    -Outrage
    -Earthquake
    -Dual Chop/Draco Meteor/Stone Edge/Fire Blast
    Nature: Naive/Jolly
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb/Lum Berry

    As with VGC, using two Mega Evolutions on the team is feasible. However, Mega Metagross is better than regular Metagross because of its better offensive presence thanks to its higher Speed and Tough Claws. If you don't need to use Mega Mawile in a battle, you can use Aegislash as a backup:
    -Shadow Ball
    -Shadow Sneak
    -Flash Cannon/Sacred Sword
    -King's Shield
    Nature: Quiet
    EVs: 252 HP/252 SAtk/4 SDef
    Item: Leftovers/Weakness Policy

    or
    -Substitute
    -Toxic
    -Flash Cannon/Shadow Ball
    -King's Shield
    Nature: Modest/Timid
    EVs: 252 HP/252 SAtk/4 SDef (Modest) or 252 HP/4 SAtk/252 Spe (Timid)
    Item: Leftovers/Air Balloon

    or
    -Iron Head/Shadow Claw
    -Shadow Sneak
    -Sacred Sword
    -King's Shield/Swords Dance
    Nature: Brave/Adamant
    EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 SDef
    Item: Life Orb/Weakness Policy

    Kyogre is banned in Battle Spot. The next best alternatives are Azumarill (which, thankfully, doesn't share weaknesses with Mawile) and Greninja:

    Azumarill:
    -Waterfall
    -Play Rough
    -Aqua Jet
    -Knock Off/Superpower
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 228 HP/252 Atk/12 Def/12 SDef/4 Spe or 164 HP/252 Atk/92 Spe
    Item: Lum Berry/Assault Vest
    Ability: Huge Power

    or
    -Belly Drum
    -Aqua Jet
    -Play Rough
    -Superpower/Knock Off/Waterfall
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 228 HP/252 Atk/12 Def/12 SDef/4 Spe or 164 HP/252 Atk/92 Spe
    Item: Sitrus Berry
    Ability: Huge Power

    Greninja:
    -Hydro Pump/Water Shuriken/Low Kick/Grass Knot
    -Dark Pulse
    -Ice Beam
    -Gunk Shot
    Nature: Naive
    EVs: 20 Atk/236 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb
    Ability: Protean

    or
    -Hydro Pump
    -Dark Pulse
    -Ice Beam
    -Grass Knot/Extrasensory/Hidden Power (Fire)/Gunk Shot
    Nature: Timid/Naive
    EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Focus Sash
    Ability: Protean

    Crobat has a shallow offensive movepool, which I already touched upon. Gengar is a better alternative because it's stronger and has more coverage options:
    -Shadow Ball
    -Sludge Bomb
    -Focus Blast
    -Destiny Bond/Icy Wind
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Focus Sash/Life Orb

    If you opted for Garchomp over Mega Salamence, Gengar works as the secondary Mega of the team in order to trap and kill counters:
    -Shadow Ball
    -Sludge Bomb/Focus Blast
    -Focus Blast/Icy Wind/Taunt
    -Destiny Bond
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Gengarite

    or
    -Perish Song
    -Protect
    -Substitute/Disable
    -Taunt/Shadow Ball
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 252 HP/4 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Gengarite

    You need to be careful around Talonflame, but Garchomp and Mega Salamence somewhat help against it. That being said, they can't be the only ones to deal with it. Aegislash is kind of shaky, as while it resists Brave Bird, it risks getting hit by Flare Blitz. Once again, Cresselia is a good teammate because it has immense bulk to take repeated Brave Birds:
    -Psychic/Lunar Dance
    -Ice Beam
    -Moonlight
    -Thunder Wave/Toxic/Lunar Dance/Trick Room
    Nature: Bold
    EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
    Item: Leftovers
     
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  • Battle Spot singles or Battle Spot doubles? Because some Pokemon function better in one format than others (Crobat isn't that good in singles, but it can provide some neat support in doubles). Also, you need EVs for each of your Pokemon, as they're important in competitive play.

    VGC:
    In doubles, Mawile needs 116 HP/252 Atk/140 Spe to outspeed +Speed Mega Salamence under Tailwind. Use Protect over Swords Dance because you're unlikely to set up Swords Dance given Mawile's low Speed and the general fast pace of doubles. Protect also has excellent utility, from stalling out opposing field conditions to letting a partner take out a troublesome opponent. However, Ferrothorn is worth considering because it can handle opposing Primal Kyogre nicely:
    -Power Whip
    -Gyro Ball
    -Leech Seed
    -Protect
    Nature: Sassy
    EVs: 252 HP/220 Atk/36 SDef
    Item: Lum Berry
    Ability: Iron Barbs

    Mega Salamence is superior to its regular counterpart because the former has the Aerilate ability to make its Normal moves Flying. Flying has solid neutral coverage, even hitting Fairy Pokemon hard. You can get away with two Mega Evolutions in VGC and Battle Spot because you can pick one depending on the matchup:
    -Draco Meteor/Tailwind
    -Double-Edge
    -Hyper Voice
    -Protect
    Nature: Naive
    EVs: 4 Atk/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Salamencite
    Ability: Intimidate

    I'm iffy about using Metagross and Mawile/Ferrothorn on the same team, as they have redundant roles in Fairy counters. That, and regular Metagross is overshadowed by Mega Metagross in terms of performance. Consider Cresselia for support purposes:
    -Psychic/Ice Beam/Icy Wind
    -Helping Hand
    -Gravity
    -Skill Swap
    Nature: Sassy
    EVs: 244 HP/108 Def/156 SDef
    Item: Sitrus Berry/Mental Herb

    Scary Face has little use in general, as despite its Speed control potential, other moves like Tailwind, Trick Room, and Icy Wind are superior. The former two affect the whole team, while the latter also deals damage to both targets. Kyogre has little use for Thunderbolt, as that move is outclassed by Thunder, which is perfectly accurate in rain. Water Spout is a move you need to be cautious about, as it will weaken as Kyogre takes damage:
    -Water Spout/Origin Pulse
    -Ice Beam
    -Thunder/Scald/Origin Pulse
    -Protect
    Nature: Modest
    EVs: 252 HP/180 Def/76 SAtk or 116 HP/140 Def/252 SAtk
    Item: Blue Orb

    Crobat has the right support movepool to function in doubles. Using an offensive set on it is a waste of time because of its middling offenses and shallow offensive move pool:
    -Super Fang
    -Tailwind
    -Taunt
    -Quick Guard
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 Spe or 44 HP/236 Def/228 Spe
    Item: Lum Berry/Mental Herb
    Ability: Inner Focus

    As cool as regular Gallade is, I don't think it deserves a spot in VGC teams, as its Mega counterpart outclasses it and its middling Speed in conjunction with its frailty on the physical end makes it easy pickings for faster Pokemon. Machamp is something worth considering over it because it provides Wide Guard support to block spread moves:
    -Dynamic Punch
    -Knock Off/Stone Edge/Protect
    -Ice Punch/Stone Edge/Protect
    -Wide Guard
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 SDef
    Item: Sitrus Berry/Lum Berry
    Ability: No Guard

    Even with the above changes, you still have to be careful with Talonflame.

    Battle Spot:

    I'll assume singles here, as I don't have much experience with BS doubles.

    Mawile's set is fine as is; just use 132 HP/252 Atk/124 Spe as the EV spread.

    Always use Mega Salamence in formats where it isn't banned; Battle Spot is one of these formats:
    -Dragon Dance
    -Return/Double-Edge
    -Earthquake
    -Roost/Fire Blast/Hyper Voice
    Nature: Adamant/Jolly/Naughty/Naive
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
    Item: Salamencite
    Ability: Intimidate

    or
    -Draco Meteor
    -Return/Double-Edge
    -Fire Blast
    -Earthquake/Roost/Hyper Voice
    Nature: Naive/Rash
    EVs: 4 Atk/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Salamencite
    Ability: Intimidate

    or
    -Substitute
    -Toxic
    -Return/Double-Edge
    -Roost
    Nature: Jolly
    EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 Spe
    Item: Salamencite
    Ability: Intimidate

    Or you can consider Garchomp for its ability to deal with physical attackers effectively because of Rough Skin:
    -Outrage
    -Earthquake
    -Stealth Rock/Swords Dance
    -Dragon Claw/Rock Tomb/Fire Blast
    Nature: Jolly/Naive
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
    Item: Focus Sash/Lum Berry/Rocky Helmet
    Ability: Rough Skin

    or
    -Outrage
    -Earthquake
    -Dragon Claw/Dual Chop
    -Stone Edge/Rock Slide/Fire Fang
    Nature: Jolly
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
    Item: Choice Band/Choice Scarf

    or
    -Swords Dance
    -Outrage
    -Earthquake
    -Dual Chop/Draco Meteor/Stone Edge/Fire Blast
    Nature: Naive/Jolly
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb/Lum Berry

    As with VGC, using two Mega Evolutions on the team is feasible. However, Mega Metagross is better than regular Metagross because of its better offensive presence thanks to its higher Speed and Tough Claws. If you don't need to use Mega Mawile in a battle, you can use Aegislash as a backup:
    -Shadow Ball
    -Shadow Sneak
    -Flash Cannon/Sacred Sword
    -King's Shield
    Nature: Quiet
    EVs: 252 HP/252 SAtk/4 SDef
    Item: Leftovers/Weakness Policy

    or
    -Substitute
    -Toxic
    -Flash Cannon/Shadow Ball
    -King's Shield
    Nature: Modest/Timid
    EVs: 252 HP/252 SAtk/4 SDef (Modest) or 252 HP/4 SAtk/252 Spe (Timid)
    Item: Leftovers/Air Balloon

    or
    -Iron Head/Shadow Claw
    -Shadow Sneak
    -Sacred Sword
    -King's Shield/Swords Dance
    Nature: Brave/Adamant
    EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 SDef
    Item: Life Orb/Weakness Policy

    Kyogre is banned in Battle Spot. The next best alternatives are Azumarill (which, thankfully, doesn't share weaknesses with Mawile) and Greninja:

    Azumarill:
    -Waterfall
    -Play Rough
    -Aqua Jet
    -Knock Off/Superpower
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 228 HP/252 Atk/12 Def/12 SDef/4 Spe or 164 HP/252 Atk/92 Spe
    Item: Lum Berry/Assault Vest
    Ability: Huge Power

    or
    -Belly Drum
    -Aqua Jet
    -Play Rough
    -Superpower/Knock Off/Waterfall
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 228 HP/252 Atk/12 Def/12 SDef/4 Spe or 164 HP/252 Atk/92 Spe
    Item: Sitrus Berry
    Ability: Huge Power

    Greninja:
    -Hydro Pump/Water Shuriken/Low Kick/Grass Knot
    -Dark Pulse
    -Ice Beam
    -Gunk Shot
    Nature: Naive
    EVs: 20 Atk/236 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb
    Ability: Protean

    or
    -Hydro Pump
    -Dark Pulse
    -Ice Beam
    -Grass Knot/Extrasensory/Hidden Power (Fire)/Gunk Shot
    Nature: Timid/Naive
    EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Focus Sash
    Ability: Protean

    Crobat has a shallow offensive movepool, which I already touched upon. Gengar is a better alternative because it's stronger and has more coverage options:
    -Shadow Ball
    -Sludge Bomb
    -Focus Blast
    -Destiny Bond/Icy Wind
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Focus Sash/Life Orb

    If you opted for Garchomp over Mega Salamence, Gengar works as the secondary Mega of the team in order to trap and kill counters:
    -Shadow Ball
    -Sludge Bomb/Focus Blast
    -Focus Blast/Icy Wind/Taunt
    -Destiny Bond
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Gengarite

    or
    -Perish Song
    -Protect
    -Substitute/Disable
    -Taunt/Shadow Ball
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 252 HP/4 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Gengarite

    You need to be careful around Talonflame, but Garchomp and Mega Salamence somewhat help against it. That being said, they can't be the only ones to deal with it. Aegislash is kind of shaky, as while it resists Brave Bird, it risks getting hit by Flare Blitz. Once again, Cresselia is a good teammate because it has immense bulk to take repeated Brave Birds:
    -Psychic/Lunar Dance
    -Ice Beam
    -Moonlight
    -Thunder Wave/Toxic/Lunar Dance/Trick Room
    Nature: Bold
    EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
    Item: Leftovers
    Doubles. I chose crobat because it would have been a pretty good support pokemon and because it has pretty decent defense. I am also breeding for stats which is going pretty decent so far
     

    PlatinumDude

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  • Doubles. I chose crobat because it would have been a pretty good support pokemon and because it has pretty decent defense. I am also breeding for stats which is going pretty decent so far

    If you're going for doubles, use the VGC advice I put down. Don't worry about the Battle Spot singles advice.
     
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