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US Elections 2008: Debate the Issues

Which party are you voting for? (If you could vote...) Foreigners are welcomed.

  • Democratic Party (Obama/Biden...Your Democratic Congressman/Senator)

    Votes: 98 63.2%
  • Republican Party (McCain/Palin...Your Republican Congressman/Senator)

    Votes: 31 20.0%
  • Third Party (Green, Liberatarian...etc.)

    Votes: 7 4.5%
  • I'm disillusioned. It's all campaign rhetoric I won't even bother to vote...

    Votes: 19 12.3%

  • Total voters
    155
  • Poll closed .
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    McCain supporters: what have you to say about McCain's judgement regarding the Keating Five scandal?



    I think this kinda holds more weight than Obama being a casual aquaintance of Bill Ayers, btw.
     

    sims796

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  • I actually like T. Boone Pickens' plan a lot. But neither candidate seems to support it in full.

    As the campaign goes on...I've come to the conclusion that I dislike both candidates. XD I liked McCain eight years again and he should've gained his party's nomination then. But, he's just not the same now and I dislike Palin. With Obama...Hillary would've been a much better choice. And I just don't him as having the experience. He said so himself before he started running and Biden (although he won't admit it now) and Carter say the same.

    I agree. IT's a shame when the first vote you can make is with two canidates you don't fully support.
     

    TRIFORCE89

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  • McCain supporters: what have you to say about McCain's judgement regarding the Keating Five scandal?



    I think this kinda holds more weight than Obama being a casual aquaintance of Bill Ayers, btw.
    I think the point of the Ayers-Obama thing is that he somehow keeps having associations with these bad people. Having a racist be your spiritual adviser and accepting money from a terrorist is just not good. Obama's not a racist or a terrorist, but it just shows really poor judgement for associating himself with such people. It's not a Republican spin-thing either. Hilary would bring it up when she was running too.

    Same thing with McCain. Poor judgement, although ultimately it was found that he was not responsible for anything...and he isn't continually finding himself in the situation.

    sims796, and well...I wouldn't be voting anyway XD I'm Canadian. I just keep up on your politics because you affect us so much. Canadian election is in a week and I know who I'm voting for.
     
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    Haha what amazes me here is how it seems there are some people here who debate dirtier then the candidates themselves :P

    ~Mooshykris
     

    Samurai X

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  • I really don't like both candidates but Palin worries me and that's what's made my mind up really. I can't believe something like that is what won me over, it's sad really.
     

    sims796

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  • He makes a good point. Most youth have dmeocratic views, and that's to be expected. They are usually naive to the workings of the world outside their own. No, I won't mince words, or try to sound nice over teh intarwebs. Youth of today -including me- are somewhat ignorant of how the world actually work, no matter how many figures we can find, or how smart we think we are.
     
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  • After watching the debate, I have to say it failed to meet my expectations of a town hall format debate. As I suspected, most of the questions were on the economy but it seams that both sides were able to reiterate their campaign talking points. I was hoping for other questions besides the economy and health care like gun control and immigration. In my opinion the first debate was better then the second.
     

    Aurafire

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  • I agree with red, most of it was just campaign rhetoric and "he voted for this and I didn't". I was left feeling very dissatisfied. There was a lot of dancing around the questions and not a lot of real debate.
     

    Akio123

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  • After watching the debate, I have to say it failed to meet my expectations of a town hall format debate. As I suspected, most of the questions were on the economy but it seams that both sides were able to reiterate their campaign talking points. I was hoping for other questions besides the economy and health care like gun control and immigration. In my opinion the first debate was better then the second.
    Well the next debate is next week at Hofstra, so you can probably watch another to see if anything you need answered will maybe done then.the first debate I did like I must say though...
     

    TRIFORCE89

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  • He makes a good point. Most youth have dmeocratic views, and that's to be expected. They are usually naive to the workings of the world outside their own. No, I won't mince words, or try to sound nice over teh intarwebs. Youth of today -including me- are somewhat ignorant of how the world actually work, no matter how many figures we can find, or how smart we think we are.
    That's...a Democrat thing in general. XD Or at least the supporters of the party. If you watch say...CNN. When they do the annoying talking heads of Republican supporters and Democrat supports. The images the supporters project out is one of "we're perfect, and they're pure evil". Which then makes the Republicans look wimpy because all they can say is "Can you shuttup and let us talk?" Disagreements and stuff are fine, but the supporters take absolutely no responsibility for anything and can't fathom that they would do something wrong.

    With the financial crisis, both parties are responsible. The 40-year loan nonsense started with Clinton, Bush should've put a stop to that during his presidency. Six years ago the Republicans said we have a problem here, we should do something. Democrats said nah. Now we have an $80 billion bailout with to pay for parties of those responsible. Way to go both parties.

    The amount of spin is incredible. Both parties have the same view on gay marriage, but the Democrats make it out that Republicans want them destroyed.

    So, even if it's untrue - your options as a youth are the supposed perfect party or support the devil. No one actually bothers to look into anything or view the platform and actually be informed.
     

    sims796

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  • I *kinda* meant both the democratic & the youth are out of the loop, but you explained it much better, especially since I had to re-read it twice =D.

    I think I may be democratic, I haven't decided. But no matter what the party, it is far too important to look outside the ass or the trunk, and do original reasearch. The youth of today has far too much time on their hands, thinking they can understand everything about the world through the news & the internets. And 97% of the internets is porn, so there that goes. And don't get me started on those liberal youths. Rebublican youth actually annoy me more.

    I just hate young people >=[
     

    TRIFORCE89

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  • I *kinda* meant both the democratic & the youth are out of the loop, but you explained it much better, especially since I had to re-read it twice =D.

    I think I may be democratic, I haven't decided. But no matter what the party, it is far too important to look outside the ass or the trunk, and do original reasearch. The youth of today has far too much time on their hands, thinking they can understand everything about the world through the news & the internets. And 97% of the internets is porn, so there that goes. And don't get me started on those liberal youths. Rebublican youth actually annoy me more.

    I just hate young people >=[
    I consider myself centre-right. I'm fisically conservative and somewhat socially liberal (if there's a left route and a right route, I'll probably make up a middle route XD). And in Canada, I'm all set cause I have a party that fits that bill. But, in the states I'd be at a lost. The Republicans are too far right (although I hoped McCain would change that. He could've, but nope). If I was in America, I could flip-flop all year between the two parties. XD
     
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    Sorry for not being able to give opinions for 2 days, but HS comes first before PC. I would have a much better reply than this but it was accidentally deleted earlier....
    Also I'll comment on the Debates tomorrow...

    Wow awful lot of democratic votes, aw well it makes sense considering most of the people here are under 18.

    Too bad you guys cant vote, Mccain 08

    Just what are you implying. The stereotype that the "youth" are a bunch of Democrats? Aurasphere attests to the fact that it's not true. But don't worry Obama has rallied the "Youth" to vote and be part of the political process....:P

    Someone believes media hype to much, we are in no way shape or form going to fall back to the depression age, we still have the highest Gross Domestic Profit of any country and it is still increasing.The value of the dollar always increases and decreases at certain intervals in history and there is no reason to suspect it won't recover.

    Sure our economy Isn't in its prime right now, but that whole depression talk is ********.
    I'm sure were not going to a depression, but it will still be a severe recession due to the fears instilled in Wall. St., NOW IT'S ALL ABOUT PSYCHOLOGICAL FEAR!!! That is what driving the markets down!!! But remember this is now a Global Economy. Europe's scrambling for plans, this affects us. The import-export interconnection does not isolate us from the world. What happens on one part of the world greatly affects us.

    At this point, I'd like to ask the question. Forget the policies on abortion, guns, healthcare, and everything else.


    I'd like you guys to answer how you think EITHER of them can solve the economy, which is rapidly falling back to the depression age. Because, though I still support McCain, I seriously think neither one can do anything to stop the inevitable, and we'll just have to let history repeat itself, and recover naturally.

    Mooshykris

    I think either one ALONE cannot solve the problem. But I believe Obama's level-headedness is an asset during this uncertain times and the thing is he is able to listen to both sides before making decisions. That is why we need Bi-partisanship. We need both Conservative Frugalism and Liberal Social Programs to weather these great times. :14:

    In all actuality, the market determines the price of oil, which determines the price of gas. Since supply is relatively low, obviously the price must rise. I mean...people are quick to blame the oil companies for the high prices, but if they don't charge what the market requires they won't make any money, then no one will have gas =X

    We could start drilling for oil in the humungotastic reserves we have right here on American soil, but Congress obviously thinks that's a bad idea -_-
    How Wall St. works :P Heh...


    I know it's necessary for the improvement of the supply. But it's just too morally questionable to put profits first.
    Also didn't Congress already pass that offshore oil-drilling Act? Yes, we need to become Energy Independent but how are we going to learn how to live without oil if we keep on looking for ways to get it?

    Meanwhile, we have the "W" movie about George W. Bush coming out on October 17. :P

    Anyways, any kinda of talk about having a mud-free, higher-level campaign is just that: Talk. All the politicians end up just throwing stuff at each other and hoping something will stick. People might say they hate negative ads, but the fact is: They work.

    One can have "Hope" for "Change" or "Chope" (Mad TV Reference =D) Anyways, I've seen enough NEGATIVE politics in the Phillipines. We've seen our own President Impeached through a "People Power" Revolution in 2001 due to corruption charges....It's sad that polititians sell their souls and principlesfor the greater good....

    I actually like T. Boone Pickens' plan a lot. But neither candidate seems to support it in full.

    As the campaign goes on...I've come to the conclusion that I dislike both candidates. XD I liked McCain eight years ago and he should've gained his party's nomination then. But, he's just not the same now and I dislike Palin. With Obama...Hillary would've been a much better choice. And I just don't see him as having the experience. He said so himself before he started running and Biden (although he won't admit it now) and Carter say the same.

    Eh it would have been a lot easier to convince my parents to vote Democrat if Hillary was on the Democratic Ticket. Thy're both voting Republican TT^TT XP....

    Haha what amazes me here is how it seems there are some people here who debate dirtier then the candidates themselves :P

    ~Mooshykris

    Who are you talking about? :9:

    I consider myself centre-right. I'm fisically conservative and somewhat socially liberal (if there's a left route and a right route, I'll probably make up a middle route XD). And in Canada, I'm all set cause I have a party that fits that bill. But, in the states I'd be at a lost. The Republicans are too far right (although I hoped McCain would change that. He could've, but nope). If I was in America, I could flip-flop all year between the two parties. XD

    Eh....I've seen the Canadian Parties platforms. (Listened to "As it happens" on CBC) Now I support the Conservative Party. YOU MUST STAY THE COURSE!!!! LOL!!! A budget surplus convincesme to do this
     
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  • That's...a Democrat thing in general. XD Or at least the supporters of the party. If you watch say...CNN. When they do the annoying talking heads of Republican supporters and Democrat supports. The images the supporters project out is one of "we're perfect, and they're pure evil". Which then makes the Republicans look wimpy because all they can say is "Can you shuttup and let us talk?" Disagreements and stuff are fine, but the supporters take absolutely no responsibility for anything and can't fathom that they would do something wrong.

    With the financial crisis, both parties are responsible. The 40-year loan nonsense started with Clinton, Bush should've put a stop to that during his presidency. Six years ago the Republicans said we have a problem here, we should do something. Democrats said nah. Now we have an $80 billion bailout with to pay for parties of those responsible. Way to go both parties.

    The amount of spin is incredible. Both parties have the same view on gay marriage, but the Democrats make it out that Republicans want them destroyed.

    So, even if it's untrue - your options as a youth are the supposed perfect party or support the devil. No one actually bothers to look into anything or view the platform and actually be informed.

    Why are Canadians so sensible? haha, I like the way you put that, a lot of it's true. Although I've already chosen the Republican party based on solid values and what not, I can lean to the center on a good number of things and easily understand where other people are coming from.

    The extremists kill me, honestly, and I don't mean to be biased but a lot of the people I know who are liberal are the ones who bite your head off when it comes to expressing their views and that to me is just stupid. There's nothing wrong with trying to get things across and expressing your viewpoints/beliefs in an honest, clean fashion instead of screaming so the whole cafeteria/restaurant/store/etc. can hear you say "ARE YOU SERIOUS!?! OMG *RANTS ABOUT HOW WRONG SAID PERSON THEY'RE TALKING TO IS*"

    I don't mind if people are excited or really positive about what they think, but there's definitely a line that must be drawn. Politics is a lot, but it's not life (well..alright, so it determines a hell of a lot, but you get the picture :P).
     

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    Normally, I'd just vote for a Democratic president anyway, but I have another reason not to vote for McCain. I mean, that would mean, putting Sarah Palin in office, and... um... no thanks. She waffles any question she can't answer and replies by saying how much she's done for Alaska. My advice? She can freeze her ass off in Alaska. No reason to make someone like that VP.

    If someone thought she was being courageous for being a woman running for high office, been there, done that.

    Biden, on the other hand, usually answers the questions he gets, and is a much better VP choice.

    Now, about the actual presidents, either one would be fine for me... but I just can't deal with Palin.
     
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