How to Improve the Sonic Franchise V2

I just read my old "How to save the Sonic Franchise" and boy do I feel like an idiot. Well, now that I'm a couple months older and a couple months wiser, I'd like to take another crack at it so here is "How to save the Sonic Franchise V2"

Sonic Team, YOU PHAIL!

I'm sorry but when something let's me down and keeps telling me their going to do better for the past five years since Heroes, it's time for some change. Getting brand new, fresh blood is good but there's an alternative. Let me ask you this, what company has A. Made Sonic games and B. Made them well. Here's a hint, the companies name starts with a D, developed the Budokai series as well as Burst Limit and is all thumbs when it comes to 3D. If you said Dimps, you'd be correct. If I were to ask you what Sonic games can be compared to the Genesis games fairly that were released after Sonic Adventure 2 and might have a fair chance of winning, you'd say the 2D Sonic masterpieces on the hand held consoles excluding Rivals and Rivals 2. So it's this, Sonic Team, we don't want or need you anymore, Dimps, you guys own more in the Sonic department than T-Squared does in the FPS department.

Character Cut-Down

Let me just say this, I don't like most of the Sonic characters so here's what I suggest to fix this problem.

A.Reinvent them

Let me put it like this. Instead of Shadow being a cold sad-sac, how about making him more like Scourge from the Sonic comics. A total jerk that no one likes and only associates himself with other jerks nobody likes.

B.Remove everyone that isn't necessary for a basic story to go on

Let me put it like this (this is like the 5th time I've said this!):

CHARACTERS NEEDED FOR A STORY

Hero
Sidekick
Antihero
Girl in Love with hero
Villain
Villain's right hand man

These roles can basically be filled out by

Sonic
Tails
Knuckles
Amy
Dr. Robotnik
Metal Sonic

This way, they wouldn't have to pack in too many that you'd have to play a million other just to know half of them. And about Dr. Robotnik.

Dr. Robotnik is a better villain name

Keep his design, I'd never give up boots like that, but Robotnik is a lot more evil and it's his actual name, Dr. Ivo Robotnik. Speaking of designs.

Sonic's old design > Sonic's new design

Do I even have to elaborate? No, but if you're not willing to do that, give us a best of worlds feeling, how about his Sonic X design? His stomach is a ball; he's not too tall and definitely keep his old shoes.

Powerups

When I pop in a Sonic game whether it be a disc or a cartridge, I expect the following:

Thunder Shield
Water Shield
Fire Shield
Shield
Invincibility
5, 10, 20, 50 and ??? Ring Cases
Magic Shoes

Bring them back!

Humans need to go

I never liked any human ever introduced in the series other than Robotnik himself and Maria. So just give them the boot and send them back into Mobius okay?

SHUT UP!

It didn't hurt Zelda, didn't hurt Mario it won't hurt Sonic to mute them. I like Juniuchi, Sonic's Japanese voice actor, but it just has to happen.

Gameplay Tweaks

One thing that annoyed me in Sonic Advance 1, 2 and 3 was that Tails ran as fast as Sonic and could fly so, no point in picking Sonic so I've got a picture of how I'd make a character select screen so let's boot up our consoles, whatever they may be and let's start.



I know it's bland, but it's not real and it says Dimps. Let's go to 1P Game. But wait, I forgot one, Time Attack.



Let me orient you on what you see. Here you have four playable characters, Sonic the Hedgehog, Miles "Tails" Prower, Knuckles the Echidna and Amy Rose. Underneath their names you'll see Speed. This is the main factor. As you can see, Sonic has the most shoes under his name, so he's the fastest, then Amy, then Knuckles and then Tails. This way you can pick the one suited to you. But wait, then wouldn't everyone pick Sonic, that's what I thought, so underneath Speed we have Power. You know, the ability they have. Sonic has the Super Peel-Out from Sonic CD, Tails can Fly, Knuckles can glide and staying in tune with Sonic Advance 3, Amy can Double Jump and High Jump. This way you can choose which is always a good thing. Then you'll play thru the obstacle course that ensues that is formally known as a Sonic Game

Okay, now let's look at the other categories.



2P Competition is, well, two or more players competing against each other in a variety of games. Race is a race thru any Act in any Zone. Marathon is where you set what Zones and what acts you want to go thru and in what order, Collect the rings is where you go thru any Act in any Zone but opposed to the person who gets there first wins, the person with the most rings wins, Battle is pretty much what you see in Sonic Heroes, first person dead loses and finally, Chaos Emerald is where you and you're friends will be fighting to get the most rings so they can continue moving to get the Chaos Emeralds, whoever has the least rings gets booted, last anthropomorphic animal standing wins.



These are game modifying options and other things that unlock themselves after you've completed the final mission. An alternate costume is basically how they'd look like if this were 1993. Old designs FTW. Sprite version is basically the whole game, but in 2D Genesis-Esque sprites. Now you'll notice I've written down Sonic Genesis Trilogy and & Knuckles. Basically, you get to play thru Green Hill Zone and the rest of the levels but with Next-Gen graphics. And Metal Sonic you play as, well, Metal Sonic.

Options and Credits are exactly what you think they are.

And Online is where you play the multiplayer games but with people around the world.

Okay, if you managed to make it this far, I applaud you for you're stick-to-itive-ness, and this is how I'd improve the Sonic franchise.

Yeah i agree with what you said, every Sonic game after Adventure 2 fails.

https://www.tssznews.com/2009/08/13/sega-admits-they-cant-please-everyone/ SEGA/Sonic Team are only trying to please little kids that are 12 or under.

You seem to be a bit too focused on taking Sonic back to what he was rather than making him relevant again. I think that rather than ditching everything they've established over the past ten or so years, Sonic Team should work to make good with what they have.

You also seem more focused on fixing superflous details than actually tackling the main problem with modern Sonic games - the gameplay. Sonic games are panned because the gameplay is shallow. The levels are extremely linear, and there's only ever about seven of them, and they usually aren't all that well-designed. Fixing that should be Sonic Team's top priority.

If I were directing a Sonic game, it would have sandbox levels. Those would really suit Sonic, in my opinion. After all, Sonic loves freedom, yet his games don't ever allow him to run around freely. It's kind of sad when you think about it.

pkmnmaster69 said:

Yeah i agree with what you said, every Sonic game after Adventure 2 fails.

https://www.tssznews.com/2009/08/13/sega-admits-they-cant-please-everyone/ appearently SEGA/Sonic Team are being *******s and they're only trying to please little kids that are 12 or under. Little kids are stupid seriously when it comes to a game, they cant see the bad in a Sonic game and even if they make a Sonic game for the classic fans, they would still like it.

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The last sentance was the one that hurt. Dude. I'm 12. 13 in Automn.

OKay my apologies for what i said i'll just edit my post. Sorry about being a jerk guys. Anyways i agree with what you just said. I just hate how they ruined Shadows character from Adventure 2 espicially by making him emo by giving him guns and his game was horrible. Sega doesnt realize that they can make a good Sonic game by adding no stupid more gimmics like Werehogs and swords that take out the whole gameplay.

The gameplay should play like Sonic 3 and Knuckles, just like what you metioned. Sonic should be the average one with the most speed, Tails should have the ability to fly and Knuckles should glide and break through walls but has lower jumps.

They should also remove all humans from the Sonic cast except for Dr.Eggman/Robotnik and they should only stick to Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Dr.Eggman/Robotnik, Amy and maybe the Choatix and Metal Sonic.

Hopefully SEGA makes a game that can please everyone and it is possible heck during Sonics olden days kids liked him because he was a hedgehog that can run fast and so did adults thats how Sonic became famous and he can still be famous to both classic fans and newer fans.

Jolene said:

You seem to be a bit too focused on taking Sonic back to what he was rather than making him relevant again. I think that rather than ditching everything they've established over the past ten or so years, Sonic Team should work to make good with what they have.

You also seem more focused on fixing superflous details than actually tackling the main problem with modern Sonic games - the gameplay. Sonic games are panned because the gameplay is shallow. The levels are extremely linear, and there's only ever about seven of them, and they usually aren't all that well-designed. Fixing that should be Sonic Team's top priority.

If I were directing a Sonic game, it would have sandbox levels. Those would really suit Sonic, in my opinion. After all, Sonic loves freedom, yet his games don't ever allow him to run around freely. It's kind of sad when you think about it.

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True. Then again, Sonic Team tried that, they phailed (Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic 06, the Werehog). And another thing about throwing away the cast, I'm taking my cast from Sonic Advance 1 and Metal Sonic because METAL OWNS. And he could be used as mid-stage boss.

If I did say, I never want to see them again, let me try again. Don't put them in the main continuity, leave them for the cross overs and spin-offs. Look at the Mario franchise, they've got a lot characters in their stockpile, but only use Mario, Peach, Luigi, Bowser and maybe Bowser Jr., usually along with a new character and roll with them. Then when the Parties and Karts come around, they dig down and get more playable characters. See where I'm going with this?

Remove all humans.
Remove all other characters but Sonic and Robotnik, maybe keep Tails and Metal Sonic.
2-D/2.5-D graphics.
Handheld/Live Arcade/PSN Store/WiiWare game.
No gimmicks, only the power-ups from the Genesis games.
Linear game, maybe SA2-like stage selection and progressing options. Sandbox is the worst idea ever.
Speed. Make it look fast.
Make it challenging but not frustrating.
Chao garden.

Perfect~

Superfairy said:

Remove all humans.
Remove all other characters but Sonic and Robotnik, maybe keep Tails and Metal Sonic.
2-D/2.5-D graphics.
Handheld/Live Arcade/PSN Store/WiiWare game.
No gimmicks, only the power-ups from the Genesis games.
Linear game, maybe SA2-like stage selection and progressing options. Sandbox is the worst idea ever.
Speed. Make it look fast.
Make it challenging but not frustrating.
Chao garden.

Perfect~

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Agreed! Especially on the Chao Garden part.

Superfairy said:

Sandbox is the worst idea ever.

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Mind telling me why? Instead of just saying stuff?

Jolene said:

Mind telling me why? Instead of just saying stuff?

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If you have ever played a Genesis Sonic game, I don't think I need to say why.

Want to know how to really improve it? take out 90% of the characters, and make it 2D with no gimmicks. Make it fast and no crappy spin offs please. I would also like it if they would stop churning out so many titles , 1 or 2 per console is ENOUGH. Also, I think they should make it challenging, but not too tough and start to listen to the hardcore fans that they have abandoned so many years ago. Sonic died with the Genesis and today, he is just a shadow of his former self. The idea is to essentially return the series to it's roots, which was the only time Sonic was ever good.

Alinthea said:

The only way to improve a Sonic game, is to not make one.

I'm confused, that's an oxymoron isn't it?

They are boring, horrid and just made to make money.

Sonic Advance 1, 2 and 3. Sonic Rush and Rush Adventure. Those were fun.

Sonic is dead and should never be involved in a game again.

Then where will I get my Rush?

The Sonic Team is now full of a bunch of retards.

That's obvious.

They should all be brought around the back of the shed and shot.

Dimps shouldn't they're good developers.

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And besides, where am I going to get my fast paced, robot busting, Robotnik smacking, anthropomorphic hedgehog seeing fun?

Wait, forgot one.

Storybook games need to die!

I've played both, they're terrible, I hate them. The only good part of Sonic and the Black Knight was the opening cutscene, it was hilarious. It is the opposite of pickup and play and I got frustrated beyond belief in thirty seconds. They need to die, the end.

You play as Mario.
And this game is a first-person shooter with RPG elements.
Co-op and multiplayer with Nintendo Wi-Fi.
Available on DS, DSi, and Wii.
Friend Code sharing.

Unlockables include Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles skins for use in multiplayer modes. And by skins I mean skins. As in its Mario's big nose and 'stache.

Or maybe this should be an internet thing on some website run by Steam...

Guys here's a fun fact. Replace the word "Sonic" with "Mario" in this thread and it's all still relevent!

OPP, you have some good ideas, but i think it's time Sonic was laid to rest (alongside Mario)

Sonic died along with the Sega Genesis.

Now Sega's just milking what they can out of the blue abomination.

To Improve the franchise:
-Kill off(Not Remove, KILL OFF) Every character except Sonic, Tails, and Robotnic.
-Become a Side-scroller again
-Stop trying to be "Innovative" and go back to the nit-and-grit basics of the Master System and Genesis games.

If all else fails:
-Lure Sonic into a dark alley and shoot him in the head.

EDIT: W00t! 1000th Post!!!

Uh, I'm slightly curious as to why all of your points are so similar, almost exactly, what a guy on YouTube has said about the Sonic series and how he thinks it should be rebooted. Not saying you have copied him, but...they're very similar. :/

Either way...I can't really say I've enjoyed any of the Sonic games that have come out recently, but I did enjoy them up until after Sonic Heroes. I know most people didn't like that game, but I did. XD; I just think the series needs to establish some sort of hook to catch attention that isn't a gimmick like being a "hedgehog-wolf" or whatever other crap they've dished out.