About Ash

[New2Pokemon]

I know i just started watching the show and Im at episode 50. Im curious about Ash.. seems the show made him not too bright or a horrible way of planning his future..

He's consistently behind the other trainers in pokemon collecting etc.. yet everytime he gets a good pokemon (or more Pokemon) he free's it (butterfree), or gives it away (Primeape).. And now the egg hatched pokemon (Togepi) to Misty.. I mean do the writers not want him to have or keep any of the cool pokemon he finds..?

I love the show, but most of the enjoyment for me comes from the parts where he encounters and catches new pokemon.. and that only happens like every 6-7 episodes.. and for those of us who root for Ash and cant wait to see him get alot of pokemon and catch up to the other trainers and get his due.. its made worse when he is constantly giving away his new pokemon.. seems like he's mised out on rare, cool, or thought to be extinct pokemon and never gets a break, or even to keep the ones he finds.. :/

Might just be me.. Wish they had more of him finding, catching, and keeping pokemon so he could show off training and battling them more..

Hopefully in the episodes to come.. (maybe its cuz its the first season and they didnt know how viewers would react to someone always finding, catching, and keeping pokemon etc.. Im on season 1.. just started)

 

[randomspot555]

He's consistently behind the other trainers in pokemon collecting etc..

Just like the Gen I games and their Gen III re-makes.

yet everytime he gets a good pokemon (or more Pokemon) he free's it (butterfree), or gives it away (Primeape)..

Butterfree isn't all that powerful, and Primeape was given to train.

These are decade old plots that are long done. It's only Internet fandom that ever brings this up.

I love the show, but most of the enjoyment for me comes from the parts where he encounters and catches new pokemon.. and that only happens like every 6-7 episodes..

And if he catches a Pokemon and it goes back to Oaks, then what was the point in catching it?

The anime has a "realistic" approach to Pokemon training to it. There is a finite amount of space Ash (and at the time of Kanto, three other trainers + any past and future trainers) has to store his Pokemon. A trainer can only carry six at any one time, and you have to be at a phone/Pokecenter to transfer them. So capturing more than six means either ignoring them, or going at such a slow pace training them all that you're in risk of missing a deadline to enter the League.

What eventually happens in Kanto is that additional captures that aren't the main six are rarely used and are more or less forgotten about. Which leads to Johto where Ash still has most of his Indigo League team in his roster and his Kanto team winds up competing for space with his Johto team, which leads to contrived plot devices to write out the Kanto Pokemon.

and for those of us who root for Ash and cant wait to see him get alot of pokemon and catch up to the other trainers and get his due..

Having a million Pokemon doesn't make one a better trainer. Gary captures a lot of Pokemon and...well, you'll see how well he does at the Indigo League.

 

[Taemin]

You'll also find out that the characters in the anime rarely keep ahold of their evolved Pokemon, too. :/

It was in an interview once before with the writers, and they said that Ash often gave up his evolved Pokemon, so that they could keep giving him the unevolved cute Pokemon, which has something to do with them being more appealing for the audience. D:

Honestly, I'd love to see him battle with an entire team of fully evolved Pokemon.

Although, I will admit, Misty getting Togepi instead of Ash was a good choice. Togepi is too awkwardly cute to be Ash's, and it doesn't seem like the battling type - which is all he's into. Togepi seems like the Contest type, and you'll find out about those if you keep watching into Hoenn region.

 

[New2Pokemon]

Thank you both for your responses.. I know it happened long ago, just im new so its new to me.. I know butterfree and primeape arent all that powerful, I just saw them as pokemon he had caught and gave away only 50 episodes in and without catching too many more.. but I understand it better now. Your responses both showed me why its done this way and they both make alot of sense.. I really appreciate the speedy responses and explanations. Cant wait to watch and find out more.

thanks,

Austin

 

[randomspot555]

You'll also find out that the characters in the anime rarely keep ahold of their evolved Pokemon, too. :/

It's not that they don't keep ahold of them. But when you have 4 regions to deal with, and more, they'll have to be put elsewhere. Ash tends to put his Pokemon back at Oak's nowadays, but there's still the occasional release.

 

[Jorah]

It was in an interview once before with the writers, and they said that Ash often gave up his evolved Pokemon, so that they could keep giving him the unevolved cute Pokemon, which has something to do with them being more appealing for the audience. D:

That must've been from quite a while ago, because I'm sure they've said something about giving Dawn the cute Pokemon now, or something like not evolving Piplup because they thought its evolutions were ugly XD And I suppose that's more true now than that quote anyway, considering most of Ash's team is evolved now.

 

[CliveKoopa]

He's consistently behind the other trainers in pokemon collecting etc.. yet everytime he gets a good pokemon (or more Pokemon) he free's it (butterfree), or gives it away (Primeape).. And now the egg hatched pokemon (Togepi) to Misty.. I mean do the writers not want him to have or keep any of the cool pokemon he finds..?

It doesn't really matter how many pokemon a character catches in the anime. The anime is not the game.

Having a million Pokemon doesn't make one a better trainer. Gary captures a lot of Pokemon and...well, you'll see how well he does at the Indigo League.

Indeed. The only reason the original series had Gary catching lots of pokemon was because of the "Gotta Catch Em' All" slogan and because of the anime's early development. Nowadays we don't see trainers catching loads and loads of pokemon. Even Paul seems to stick to the same team of six.
I didn't really like Professor Oak's attitude when he said in one episode, "You can't become a pokemon master without catching more pokemon."

And if he catches a Pokemon and it goes back to Oaks, then what was the point in catching it?

The anime has a "realistic" approach to Pokemon training to it. There is a finite amount of space Ash (and at the time of Kanto, three other trainers + any past and future trainers) has to store his Pokemon. A trainer can only carry six at any one time, and you have to be at a phone/Pokecenter to transfer them. So capturing more than six means either ignoring them, or going at such a slow pace training them all that you're in risk of missing a deadline to enter the League.

Yeah, which is why he always leaves his team back at Oak's lab everytime he starts a new region. That is also probably why Brock always leaves his pokemon at Pewter Gym so he can get more pokemon.

 

[randomspot555]

^^^ I always read Brock leaving his Pokemon so his brother has some to battle with. He flat out gave Onix to him.

As far as the tagline of catch em all and what Oak said, I suspect those were dub edits. The "slogan" of the anime in Japan is still, "Pokémon get da ze~!" which translates to "Get Pokemon!" or something like that.

Paul doesn't stick with the same six, though he has a few constants and some rotating slots. Even Gary, despite having dozens of Pokemon, only carries three with him nowadays (Umbreon, Blastoise, and his Sinnoh capture Electavire).

 

[~Sage_Trainer~]

This has some good points everywhere. My biggest thing to add, is that capturing a lot of pokemon isn't as worthwhile in the anime as in in the games. In the games you hafta complete your pokedex, and get rewards from Oak and stuff (not sure all the rewards, as I've never completed a national dex :p) In the anime, you just have them nothing more. I prefer the episodes in league championships, since Ash usually uses some of his less used Pokemon in them.

 

[Jolene]

Ash and Dawn get cute Pokemon so that the Pokemon Company will be able to sell lots of plushies of them.

 

[CliveKoopa]

As far as the tagline of catch em all and what Oak said, I suspect those were dub edits. The "slogan" of the anime in Japan is still, "Pokémon get da ze~!" which translates to "Get Pokemon!" or something like that.

How many pokemon does Gary have in the Japanese version?

Paul doesn't stick with the same six, though he has a few constants and some rotating slots. Even Gary, despite having dozens of Pokemon, only carries three with him nowadays (Umbreon, Blastoise, and his Sinnoh capture Electavire).

Maybe but it does seem that Paul uses the same pokemon. (Ursaring, Electabuzz, Magmortar, Weavile, Honchcrow and another I can't remember and thats it)

 

[randomspot555]

How many pokemon does Gary have in the Japanese version?

The same. What's your point? It doesn't make him a better trainer. It just means he has a lot of Pokemon.

Maybe but it does seem that Paul uses the same pokemon. (Ursaring, Electabuzz, Magmortar, Weavile, Honchcrow and another I can't remember and thats it)

Due to Paul's nature of switching out his team according to whatever gym battle he's in, and since he's a Gen 4 character that we've never witnessed capture a Pokemon, we don't know when exactly he got many of his Pokemon. All we know is Turtwig/torterra was his starter. A handful of Pokemon have been noted as being caught in Sinnoh, with Ursaring being the only one I think that was caught during an episode that wasn't released. He's got a Nidoking, Gliscor, Ninjask (seen being captured in a flashback), Hariyama, and Lairon.

Again, he does have some Pokemon that seem to appear more than others, but we've even seen his Electabuzz get stuck at Reggie's for a little while.

 

[CliveKoopa]

The same. What's your point? It doesn't make him a better trainer. It just means he has a lot of Pokemon.

I know that. There is no point. I just wondered how many pokemon he has in the Japanese version. If you have read my previous posts through the various threads, you should already know that I agree with the same viewpoint on quality over quantity.

 

[randomspot555]

I know that. There is no point. I just wondered how many pokemon he has in the Japanese version. If you have read my previous posts through the various threads, you should already know that I agree with the same viewpoint on quality over quantity.

I know, but it's a pointless question. The Japanese anime is the same as the dubs elsewhere. Some lines of dialogue might change their meaning in translation, or a joke gets taken out of the dub, but there are no captures "exclusive" to Japan's anime. Well, besides Tauros being captured in the Safari Zone episode, which was never shown elsewhere.

 

[Darthbane2007]

Just like the Gen I games and their Gen III re-makes.



Butterfree isn't all that powerful, and Primeape was given to train.

These are decade old plots that are long done. It's only Internet fandom that ever brings this up.



And if he catches a Pokemon and it goes back to Oaks, then what was the point in catching it?

The anime has a "realistic" approach to Pokemon training to it. There is a finite amount of space Ash (and at the time of Kanto, three other trainers + any past and future trainers) has to store his Pokemon. A trainer can only carry six at any one time, and you have to be at a phone/Pokecenter to transfer them. So capturing more than six means either ignoring them, or going at such a slow pace training them all that you're in risk of missing a deadline to enter the League.

What eventually happens in Kanto is that additional captures that aren't the main six are rarely used and are more or less forgotten about. Which leads to Johto where Ash still has most of his Indigo League team in his roster and his Kanto team winds up competing for space with his Johto team, which leads to contrived plot devices to write out the Kanto Pokemon.



Having a million Pokemon doesn't make one a better trainer. Gary captures a lot of Pokemon and...well, you'll see how well he does at the Indigo League.

Maybe not make you a better trainer, but gives you a broader advantage when you are in a match. Wouldn't say Gary was any better than ash, but he had over 10 badges by the time Ash was on his 8th, and was just going to battle Giovanni for show..

 

[CliveKoopa]

Maybe not make you a better trainer, but gives you a broader advantage when you are in a match. Wouldn't say Gary was any better than ash, but he had over 10 badges by the time Ash was on his 8th, and was just going to battle Giovanni for show..

It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if Ash went in the gym before Gary and faced Giovanni and Mewtwo.

 

[The Girl Once named Tracie]

Just have to say, Ash did not give Togepi to Misty. At all.

Togepi saw Misty first when he was hatched, and thought that Misty was his mother. Ash tried very hard to catch him, but whenever he took Togepi away from Misty, he would cry and cry. So, in theory, Togepi gave himself to Misty.

 

[Darthbane2007]

You know, it's kinda insulting that Ash has been treated this way.

 

[chiefsfan212006]

Later on, he gets more Pokemon. There is one episode when he returns home (around episode 400) when he goes home to visit his mom, friends and Pokemon that are with Oak and introduces them to the new one. When all of them are out and seeing Ash, you'll be impressed with how many he has caught and the variety he has.

 

[Night Soul]

Maybe not make you a better trainer, but gives you a broader advantage when you are in a match. Wouldn't say Gary was any better than ash, but he had over 10 badges by the time Ash was on his 8th, and was just going to battle Giovanni for show..

I think that Gary had 10 bages by that time is easy to explain without focusing on his captured pokemon: He was going by car. And I bet he also didn't loose too much time stopping and helping someone out like Ash and his firend tend to do. Of course Gary can therefore get to the different gyms way faster than Ash can.