Arcanine..... Legendary?...

Arcanine said:
I totally forgot about this thread. XD

This is what I think of Arcanine. (Also not short)

I know Arcanine is a mythological dog to the people of China. But I don't think that's the reason why it's "legendary". I just don't think Arcanine is just a tip of the hat off to the Chinese people on that one thing. I mean Gyarados is a Chinese Dragon (maybe one of the closest other then Rayquaza) but it's not legendary. Or Ninetales it's a Kitsune to the different races. Or Xatu to the Indians of America. Or Lapras, it's like the Loch Ness monster. Or Magikarp, it's the Japanese lucky fish (or something like that). And so on. Pokemon has a lot of Pokemon that's tied to different nationalities around the world.
So to me that whole "Arcanine is legendary because it's a legendary dog to the Chinese people" is out the window.

Here is what I think. Arcanine started out as a legendary Pokemon but was taken out, and Growlithe added for its Pre Evo. Here in the States the show came out before the games. It might have been that way in Japan as well. If so then it just backs up what I'm talking about. That wall slab on the second ep might have been a picture of the old Pokemon way. Look at the opening of the show (first season), you don't see Moltres, yet you see Articuno and Zapdos and Arcanine before them two (and yes I know Rapidash is in there too). What if Arcanine was the legendary Pokemon of fire yet they took it out because it wasn't a bird at the last minute (that's why it's on the wall in the second ep, they made the show before getting everything set down in stone)? When you think of snow or lightning you think of sky. But fire/lava is from the ground (you don't see much fire falling from the sky). So what if that's why Arcanine might started out as a legendary (that's why you see it in the opening, it's on the ground)? Arcanine was fire and lava/fire came from the ground, not the sky. But later they changed it due to the other two being birds so they went with the whole legendary birds thing. It's on the wall slab (no Moltres). It's on the Pokemon opening (no Moltres). They made and went with Moltres to replace Arcy. But they put "Legendary" as Arcanine's title just to say "That's what it once was".

And Arcanine has been in the hands of a Gym Leader or Rival from every game series. (Don't quote me on this next line because I haven't looked it up) as as far as I know, Arcanine is the only Pokemon (discounting Growlithe because it's pre Arcy) is the only Pokemon that's been a Rival, Gym, or Elite 4 Pokemon on every series. Sure it might be nothing, but still.

I just think there's more behind the legendary title other then just a title or a "here's to you China". I do think Arcanine was a legendary Pokemon when they first started.
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You forgot about your own thread lol, as for you thinking it started out as a legendary I doubt that is true for the simple reason Legendaries always have a common look to them, I mean there are the birds, the beast and so on so Arcanine would not fit with Zapdos and Articuno. As for your theory on how you think of fire and coming out of the ground therefore a Flying type wouldn't be used as its representation. The Legendary Birds embody the elements they are, so Moltres embodies fire so it doesn't have to be grounded, proof of Moltres embodying fire is shown when Team Rocket attempted to steal the torch and then Ash wasn't hurt by the flames and was protected by the fire that then transformed into Moltres. As for why you see Arcanine on a stone tablet it is on there because its apart of there mythos of the Pok?mon world as I explained earlier due to it as a species existing longer than other species and being so powerful and majestic which got it in the myths in the first place.

As for the stuff about other Pok?mon with legends behind them, such is not spoke of in the games or in the Pok?dex where it matters with the exception of Ninetales which bodes the question why do people not think Ninetales is a legendary. Its not one but considering all it takes for people to think a Pok?mon is legendary is legend to be mentioned in there Pok?dex text then why isn't Ninetales thought to be a legendary.

So though they may be based off legends it doesn't matter as its not mentioned in the games and Pok?dex like Arcanine is except for Ninetales which is what caused this whole discussion in the first place.

As for Arcanine being in the hands of Pok?mon Trainers/Gym Leaders I think that fact should prove its not legendary and not the other way around as Legendary are free in the world of Pok?mon in the Anime and games until you catch them plus there are multiple Trainers/Gym Leaders therefore multiple Arcanine and legendaries are one of a kind.

Arcanine is not a legendary, its is just a normal Pok?mon who's Pok?dex text was misinterpreted by people.

And just so what I said does not cause another are they a legendary discussion, Ninetales is not a legendary.
 
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Arcanine said:
Wow I'm starting a thread in the Pokemon forums. XD

Anyway, Arcanine (no not me XD) is a "Legendary" Pokemon on the Pok?Dex. Why? Why does it's stats come close to other Legendary Pokemon (I'm guessing on this one because I read it somewhere)? Why does Growlithe look sort of like it was made after Arcanine was (as in it's looks)? Why is Arcanine on that wall block thing on the second ep of Pokemon (along with Articuno, Zapdos, and Ho-oh)?
I'm sure all of you that seen the ep or played the games asked questions like these. So, your thoughts on the Pokemon, Arcanine.
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I also noticed that on the 2nd episode. I thought it was a mess up or something because I was little (like 7.)
 
Phunboy, I'm sorry to go against you again, but I see a slight flaw in your explaination.

You say that it doesn't matter what the anime says, and it's the game that matters. First of all, I'd like to say that many people got hooked onto Pok?mon by the anime, and then later went for the games. It happened the other way around, but I'm a full fledged anime fan.

Also, if you go by the games, they never actually call Articuno, Zapdos and Moltress legendaries, except in their Pok?Dex entries, as they do with Arcanine. Also, they place the birds under "Rare Pok?mon" category in the Pok?Dex, alond side Unown. Does that make Unown a legendary too?

I agree with Arcanine's (the guy who started the thread) idea on Arcanine. It seems believeable, and I don't see anything wrong with his post. From my point of view, that is...
 
Arcanine said:
Or Magikarp, it's the Japanese lucky fish (or something like that).
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Actually Andy, the Magikarp represents the Japanese' "Lucky Koi", a symbol of good luck or something like that.
 
It has bugged me in the past that Arcanine is a 'Legendary Pokemon'. For me it is just a strong and easy to obtain fire-type and I don't at all acsociate it with the 'legendary' status. Some may argue that it is very strong and fast but for me strength does not really make a legendary. And, as Phunboy pointed out, why is Ninetales not considered legendary?
 
Arcanine has high stats you have to admit. Also growlithe isn't the easiest pokemon to find in some of the earlier games, and most of it's best moves are after it evolution
 
Deathspector said:
Phunboy, I'm sorry to go against you again, but I see a slight flaw in your explaination.
....Also, if you go by the games, they never actually call Articuno, Zapdos and Moltress legendaries, except in their Pok?Dex entries, as they do with Arcanine. Also, they place the birds under "Rare Pok?mon" category in the Pok?Dex, alond side Unown. Does that make Unown a legendary too?

I agree with Arcanine's (the guy who started the thread) idea on Arcanine. It seems believeable, and I don't see anything wrong with his post. From my point of view, that is...
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Well, all that matters are the games as last I checked if you want a legendary you have to play one to get one.

And as for legendary birds only being described as legendary in the Pok?Dex, well that proves my point as they are called legendary's in there where as Arcanine is simply said to be of Chinese legend. But you say other legendary are not called legendary in the Pok?Dex and that may be true but in the games whether there called legendary or not they are defined as legendary by the game makers as well as there legendary status is hinted at in the Pok?Dex text.

And the Unown are not legendary they are ancient as I said in a thread just like this for them, they are listed under the rare category because in the games they can only be found in one place therefore making them rare which is funny considering how plentiful they are where they are found.


Besides all this is a bit trivial as no matter what you or anyone else say it does not change the simple fact that Arcanine is not a legendary no matter how much you like it to be as it has not been defined legitimately as a legendary like all the legendaries have and I think by now if Arcanine was originally made to be a legendary us fans would know it through word of mouth as something like that could not be kept secret this long.

So the only Pok?mon who are legendary are those listed as legendary, end of discussion.

Plus this thread should not have been used to discuss if Arcanine is a legendary as it isn't one but should of be used to discuss why people think its a legendary and on that note I have already thoroughly explained why its considered a legendary.



 
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Actually, Phunboy, if you look at the thread name, and explaination, this is a thread to discuss whether or not Arcanine is a legendary. Also, catching legendaries isn't the only way to clasiffy a Pok?mon as a legandary, but never mind.

Also, you have no right to say "discussion closed", because technically, this is a debate thread, and we hve to debate on our point of view...
 
My opinion:

Arcanine is probably an old pokemon so when it roamed the lands freely and the inhabinants saw its speed they probably thought it was a legendary sight to see, so the pokedex too this on and stuff, or some idiots thought it was the re-incarnation of some fire god.
 
Esupio sono Kamereon said:
My opinion:

Arcanine is probably an old pokemon so when it roamed the lands freely and the inhabinants saw its speed they probably thought it was a legendary sight to see, so the pokedex too this on and stuff, or some idiots thought it was the re-incarnation of some fire god.
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Well, that is pretty much exactly what I said.
Deathspector said:
Also, catching legendaries isn't the only way to clasiffy a Pok?mon as a legandary, but never mind.

Also, you have no right to say "discussion closed", because technically, this is a debate thread, and we hve to debate on our point of view...
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Well, a legendary Pok?mon are defined by the games as all the parameters a Pok?mon has to meet to be considered one is in the games therefore being able to catch a legendary would be in part how you classify a legendary and last I checked you can't catch an Arcanine further proving it not to be a legendary as to be considered a legendary you have to be able to catch it obviously.

As for saying discussion closed, well I was just saying in that as it kinda is as I have thoroughly explained why Arcanine has been misinterpreted by people and making them think its one of the legendary so I can't see what else anyone could really say beyond what I did that can be substantiated with some sort of facts as part of my explanation was. Plus I also said it because Arcanine is not a legendary so as far as discussing if Arcanine is one of the legendary is over as its not one.

Here are the parameters that Pok?mon have too meet to be one of the legendary just so you can see how Arcanine matches up.

1) Legendaries are one of a kind therefore the rarest Pok?mon, Arcanine is neither one of a kind or rare let alone rarest.
2) Legendary can't breed, Arcanine can.
3) Legendaries don't have pre-evolutions, Arcanine has Growlithe.
4) Legendary have the highest stats in the game, Arcanine does not though it is close.
5) Legendary are legitimately defined as legendaries, Arcanine is not.
6) To get a legendary is considered a bit of a side quest, getting an Arcanine is not as all you need is a Growlithe and a Fire Stone.
7) Legendary start at high levels, Arcanine since not in the wild doesn't.
8) In the games as well as Anime a bit of story is dedicated to them in some way, nothing is dedicated to Arcanine.

And Arcanine doesn't even fit the criteria of most Pok?mon which is the ability to be caught.

As you can see Arcanine doesn't even come close to being a legendary except for its stats, so what was it that put it in people's heads that made them think it was one. It was put in there heads because of the Pok?dex text on it and the stone tablet of it in the Anime episode and that's it. When it comes to the Pok?mon text, it was a simple way of pazazzing Arcanine up like how Ninetales has interesting text about it as well as other Pok?mon have. As for the stone tablet of it, it has one of it because like I said before as a species it has lived along time therefore was recorded historically in that fashion unlike other younger Pok?mon species.

So is Arcanine one of the legendary, no it's not.
If you consider Arcanine to be a legendary there is alot more Pok?mon you have to consider as well such as Ninetales.

 
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Arcanine youre right about the japanise legends stuff. another example I know of is Golduck. It is apparently a legendary creature called a "Kappa" it's like a turtle type monster. I heard this on some website. To reply to the whole post, Arcanine is indeed a legendary pokemon but it is not in the class of articuno, entei, mew, etc. It should have been called a myth.. or a story pokemon becuase again, it does not fit in the class of the REAL legendary pokemon.
 
I think that Arcanine has the looks of being a Ledendary, but i don't think he is.
He's hard to catch and that, but i don't think of him as a Ledendary.
 
I believe it was said that Arcanine was revered by anyone who saw it because when it ran it looked as though it was flying. It was also treasured for its unmatched beauty, supposedly. *pats Andy* Aww, you're so pwetty. XD

Arcanine is undoubtedly a strong battler. *loves to use extremespeed* XD I think that it was been considered as legendary because people saw it as a Godly figure and just overall quite mythical. I, personally, think that one's determination of what makes a Pokemon a "legendary" will affect whether they agree on Arcanine being a legendary Pokemon.

At one point I always thought legendaries were only the exceedingly powerful, one-of-a-kind type Pokemon (such as Ho-oh, Mewtwo, Groudon, etc.). But for a Pokemon to be considered legendary, it could be the exact definiton of a legend: an unverified story handed down from earlier times, especially one popularly believed to be historical.

So Arcanine can be considered legendary because it simply struck awe in the hearts of people for centuries (figuratively speaking, of course), not just for its prowess.

~Kelsey
 
I dont think it is.Legends dont evole.And u know hoe pikachu is a electric-mouse pokemon?I think is a legendery pokemon.(not a legend but how pika is a electric-mouse pokemon)
 
psychic said:
I'm not quite sure- it does evolve from growlithe, and it's easy to capture, but it's stats are high.
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...Ur not sure that it evoles from growlithe?Well i had firered and i used a fire stone on growlithe and it eloved in to arcanine.
 
psychic said:
I'm not quite sure- it does evolve from growlithe, and it's easy to capture, but it's stats are high.
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Your not sure :laugh:, now that is over onto what else you said.

When it comes to it being easy to capture your wrong as Arcanine is not a capturable Pokémon.
But its stats are high so you got something right.
 
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