"Battle Aboard the St. Anne" Episode Discussion

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    Here is where you can discuss a true Team Rocket operation in "Battle Aboard the St. Anne."

    My review to come forthwith.

    Finally got it right, more or less. Heh.
     
    How has this not had any replies!? Copy and paste my review

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    BRILLIANT episode! This is THE episode that got be hooked. Back when I was 9, I had a hard time deciding between SM:TV Live with Pokemon or Live&Kicking with The Simpsons. This episode decided it for me. All the action and the cliffhanger was brilliant.

    But I thought all the Pokemon groups (all the Geodude and stuff) working together was cheesy haha.

    Usually Beware of Dark Lugia rates the episodes, but I like this one so much I will, too!

    Nostalgia rating: 9001/10
    Now rating: 9.999999(recurring)/10

    Those Geodudes took it down...I hate them
     
    The reason this hadn't got many post is... I don't actually know.

    This is the best episode in Kanto, well after Ash getting whooped by Sabrina of course.

    Jorah said:
    Nostalgia rating: 9001/10
    Now rating: 9.999999(recurring)/10

    This is my rating, provided by Jorah. This is a true episode.

    The best part was the captain of the ship. He, for some reason, was epic y chistoso. XD
     
    XD "a true episode" haha. I forgot about that captain. Tried getting the dingy or whatever they're called to himself and *wanted* to leave the passengers hahaha

    Dogasu said:
    so the ridiculousness of Kojirou having to borrow money to afford something that only costs about $300 is present in both versions.

    Credit crunch times, these were not. I'll just take out my £300 from my pocket and give it to the person on the stall...well, £150. Hmm...I suppose. The £500 you have to pay in-game is pretty much nothing, too.
     
    I loved this episode! I thought those Pokémon pyramids were a little weird, though... but it's a cartoon, so I guess it doesn't have to make sense. xD
     
    This episode is a winner. One of the best ever in the entire series. That's saying something.

    D/P has had one or two episodes which actually can get this one running for its money, but yeah, it's in my top ten.
     
    XD "a true episode" haha. I forgot about that captain. Tried getting the dingy or whatever they're called to himself and *wanted* to leave the passengers hahaha

    Credit crunch times, these were not. I'll just take out my £300 from my pocket and give it to the person on the stall...well, £150. Hmm...I suppose. The £500 you have to pay in-game is pretty much nothing, too.

    Dinghy, yeah. And you have to love the people's reaction, that pause before "get him!"

    Don't forget the conversation rate. Although, the Pokemon anime uses yen, apparently, and I don't think they've factored the in-game purchasing of Pokemon (or not yet, anyway). I got to admit, I'd be pissed if my teammate blew 300 bucks (half of which is mine) on a useless fish.

    It was more a slice of real life, than anything else. That's why it was so funny.

    I'll post my real love for the episode -- the Team Rocket organization in a separate entry.
     
    Great Ep. I loved the battles, Team Rocket is lamer than ever before or after (even Ash calls them out of date), the captain is hillarious when he breaks the "Captain is the last one to abandon ship" rule and the narrator doesnt give very bad intro or ending. They should have made the plot about Pidgeotto and not Butterfree since Butterfree is getting released in 6-7 episodes anyways. Plus that southern gentleman has shown up since then (yea! minor recurring character) and we meet the hispanic magikarp salesman that always swindles James. Rating: 10/10

    I have to complain about something though. Giovanni is introduced with his face and voice partially distorted so we dont really see who he is. At the time when the writers thought the show would only last a year and a half it seems cool because Giovanni is a mystery, but in the long run it was pointless because we see Giovanni in some form in almost every episode anymore (typically a fantasy). Seriously, the only time Giovanni even meets Ash he gets his memory wiped by Mewtwo. This whole part was an epic failure.
     
    They should have made the plot about Pidgeotto and not Butterfree since Butterfree is getting released in 6-7 episodes anyways.

    I have to complain about something though. Giovanni is introduced with his face and voice partially distorted so we dont really see who he is. At the time when the writers thought the show would only last a year and a half it seems cool because Giovanni is a mystery, but in the long run it was pointless because we see Giovanni in some form in almost every episode anymore (typically a fantasy). Seriously, the only time Giovanni even meets Ash he gets his memory wiped by Mewtwo. This whole part was an epic failure.

    I think you're being a tad unfair, as you're thinking too far ahead. Now, if, say, they knew ahead of time they'd release Butterfree, then, yeah, you'd be right. Actually, I saw the trade as part of Ash's overall abandonment complex with Butterfree (recall his screw-up in the Samurai episode). However, he did recified the error, but should he have traded in the first place? No.

    As for Giovanni and the wasted potential, that's a major argument into itself. Frankly, I'd wait until the second year before I'd go there. So, as such, I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the writers' attempt to play Ernst Blofeld and Dr. Claw (for now).

    Anyway, I enjoyed this episode for one reason only: the Team Rocket organization. One of the biggest questions I had in the anime, at the time, "what about Giovanni and the other members?" With the game canon being fast loose and seeing only J/J/M on Mt. Moon, my hopes were for both Giovanni and the Rocket Grunts appearing were fading. So, this was the shot in the arm I needed.

    I definitely paid attention to the tactics presented here: Giovanni's willingness to spend in order to trap the suckers, Jessie and James actually reporting directly and having some measure of command (even having an actual discussion with their fearless leader), the Grunts infiltrating and using their bizarre suction "Real Ghostbuster"-esque backpacks. Of course, the show would revisit said tactics much later, but this is where it all began.

    So, it's an excellent spotlight/eventual history lesson for the Rockemaniacs out there. At the time, I'm sure many people were excited to see where the show would take the organization, especially if it was this rollicking.

    Plus, it also highlighted the anime's contention of punishing villains in such a shocking manner (set on fire, whipped, electrocuted). Granted, we've witnessed it occurring on J/J/M before, but never on a mass scale. Did they deserve it? Sure, but imagine if someone was critically damaged from the onslaught?

    Also, did anyone pay attention to the female Rocket Grunt with the long red hair? Nice to know the Grunts have equal opportunity.

    We, most assurely, hit the gamut on this one, which makes the future all the more disappointing. Nevertheless, that's for another day.
     
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    I think you're being a tad unfair, as you're thinking too far ahead. Now, if, say, they knew ahead of time they'd release Butterfree, then, yeah, you'd be right. Actually, I saw the trade as part of Ash's overall abandonment complex with Butterfree (recall his screw-up in the Samurai episode). However, he did recified the error, but should he have traded in the first place? No.

    You're right. Then again, to be fair, it was partially Brock's fault that the trade happened (since Brock saying yes to trading when he didn't even LISTEN to Ash's question and was drooling all over the Gentleman's mistress WAS the reason why Ash even traded in the first place. Ironically, most people have formed some sort of Hate when Zoey due to the Buizel/Aipom trade [Esp. on TV.com, where they actually made an organizational club out of it {S.O.B.Z.}], and yet they turn a blind eye when Brock did the same thing in regards to this episode {and partially the episode where Pikachu was [almost] released.}), that still doesn't change the fact that Ash chose to trade, though.

    As for Giovanni and the wasted potential, that's a major argument into itself. Frankly, I'd wait until the second year before I'd go there. So, as such, I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the writers' attempt to play Ernst Blofeld and Dr. Claw (for now).

    Meh, I think he's probably using JJM [or in D/P, both JJM and BC] to try and acquire Hoenn and Sinnoh (I mean, hoenn obviously had to have been taken over by Team Rocket, since the 9th movie intro had A & H and Prof. Sebastian capturing a rayquaza and torturing it.), speaking of Sinnoh, does anyone think that Team Galactic and Team Rocket are related in some way? I mean, Team Galactic is the only crime syndicate OTHER than Team Rocket that hired JJM to accomplish some dark deed [steal the Adamant orb.], it seems suspicious that BC are in Sinnoh, considering how they didn't even appear in Hoenn at ALL (or at least, not in the main series.), and Giovanni seemed to almost forget who JJM are anyways in both regions. In game canon, they are also the only ones other than Team Rocket that desired global domination, as well as stealing pokemon/killing them (Kirby hints that Team Galactic might have killed his pokemon when they "adopted" them.).

    Anyway, I enjoyed this episode for one reason only: the Team Rocket organization. One of the biggest questions I had in the anime, at the time, "what about Giovanni and the other members?" With the game canon being fast loose and seeing only J/J/M on Mt. Moon, my hopes were for both Giovanni and the Rocket Grunts appearing were fading. So, this was the shot in the arm I needed.

    Heh, me too, though, personally, I hated Team Rocket's guts since they murdered several pokemon.

    I definitely paid attention to the tactics presented here: Giovanni's willingness to spend in order to trap the suckers, Jessie and James actually reporting directly and having some measure of command (even having an actual discussion with their fearless leader), the Grunts infiltrating and using their bizarre suction "Real Ghostbuster"-esque backpacks. Of course, the show would revisit said tactics much later, but this is where it all began.

    Or, at least, as close to reporting to him directly as they could get, as he contacted them through a monitor. Also, I don't really think that they were capturing those pokemon for prophet (Team Rocket's main goal is global domination over the planet, not become the highest bidder in the stock market.), It seems more like they were trying to capture them to either a. kill the lot of them (It's obvious they'd kill pokemon, since they had no qualms of killing Marowak, and it was hinted that they killed more pokemon than that, as the Pokemon Tower was stated to have the graves of all the Pokemon that Team Rocket killed, plus the fact that Giovanni was prepared to kill the cloned pokemon on Mt. Quena, and some other things.), or B. turn them into mindless killers.

    So, it's an excellent spotlight/eventual history lesson for the Rockemaniacs out there. At the time, I'm sure many people were excited to see where the show would take the organization, especially if it was this rollicking.

    Yeah. Hey, BTW, that reminds me. Do you think that after robbing the ship, they were going to blow it up. I mean, it was watched by cameras, and it seemed almost too covert to actually be a mere "heist and escape" thing, so it seemed as though they were also going to blow the St. Anne up when

    Plus, it also highlighted the anime's contention of punishing villains in such a shocking manner (set on fire, whipped, electrocuted). Granted, we've witnessed it occurring on J/J/M before, but never on a mass scale. Did they deserve it? Sure, but imagine if someone was critically damaged from the onslaught?

    Well, since they blasted off, I'd assume that these grunts may have survived (If JJM survived, they can as well.)

    Also, did anyone pay attention to the female Rocket Grunt with the long red hair? Nice to know the Grunts have equal opportunity.

    Well, aside from Jessie, you mean?

    We, most assurely, hit the gamut on this one, which makes the future all the more disappointing. Nevertheless, that's for another day.

    Or at least, as far as we know.
     
    You're right. Then again, to be fair, it was partially Brock's fault that the trade happened (since Brock saying yes to trading when he didn't even LISTEN to Ash's question and was drooling all over the Gentleman's mistress WAS the reason why Ash even traded in the first place.

    Meh, I think he's probably using JJM [or in D/P, both JJM and BC] to try and acquire Hoenn and Sinnoh (I mean, hoenn obviously had to have been taken over by Team Rocket, since the 9th movie intro had A & H and Prof. Sebastian capturing a rayquaza and torturing it.), speaking of Sinnoh, does anyone think that Team Galactic and Team Rocket are related in some way? I mean, Team Galactic is the only crime syndicate OTHER than Team Rocket that hired JJM to accomplish some dark deed [steal the Adamant orb.], it seems suspicious that BC are in Sinnoh, considering how they didn't even appear in Hoenn at ALL (or at least, not in the main series.), and Giovanni seemed to almost forget who JJM are anyways in both regions. In game canon, they are also the only ones other than Team Rocket that desired global domination, as well as stealing pokemon/killing them (Kirby hints that Team Galactic might have killed his pokemon when they "adopted" them.).

    Heh, me too, though, personally, I hated Team Rocket's guts since they murdered several pokemon.

    Or, at least, as close to reporting to him directly as they could get, as he contacted them through a monitor. Also, I don't really think that they were capturing those pokemon for prophet (Team Rocket's main goal is global domination over the planet, not become the highest bidder in the stock market.), It seems more like they were trying to capture them to either a. kill the lot of them (It's obvious they'd kill pokemon, since they had no qualms of killing Marowak, and it was hinted that they killed more pokemon than that, as the Pokemon Tower was stated to have the graves of all the Pokemon that Team Rocket killed, plus the fact that Giovanni was prepared to kill the cloned pokemon on Mt. Quena, and some other things.), or B. turn them into mindless killers.

    Yeah. Hey, BTW, that reminds me. Do you think that after robbing the ship, they were going to blow it up. I mean, it was watched by cameras, and it seemed almost too covert to actually be a mere "heist and escape" thing, so it seemed as though they were also going to blow the St. Anne up when

    Well, since they blasted off, I'd assume that these grunts may have survived (If JJM survived, they can as well.)

    I forgot about Brock's involvement, as that was Ash's impetus to Trade -- way to let your student down, there, Brock.

    Honestly, I just thought Team Galactic just ripped on Team Rocket, but had more personality (silly, lazy writers). It's possible that there might be an actual connection, as you put it so deftly. Don't get too ahead of yourself on this one, however. Not on here, anyway -- such speculation is rather heavy for this episode discussion. It's enough to keep it Rocket-only. Although, I will post on the Japanese episode airing on Thursday, actually -- you can voice all that there.

    As for the Rockets' murderous angle, at the time, I wasn't sure if they could have destroyed the ship. Ironically, the anime would prove me wrong within two years (Mewtwo's murderous rampage and Giovanni's overall callousness). Then again, it's not like the Grunts were identifiable (save for J & J), thus the two in the funny white jackets could be considered as the only true liabilities. Had they failed, the Grunts could have killed two birds with one stone, so to speak. Of course, Giovanni still had a slight measure of confidence in the duo, so I don't think he would have ordered such things, at that point in time.

    Then again, the pair had their faces slapped on wanted posters (Pokemon Emergency), obscured images they would be. So, people with an I.Q. above 100 might recognize them (the giant R on their jackets aside, for a second).

    I always thought the captured Pokemon would be used as part of their army, as that's what I interpreted in the games. And, Giovanni would later confirm that in Mewtwo Returns, if you care to bring that up. I don't, as I'd like to keep this in-early series, if I can. It's extremely difficult, I know. After all, I had to cite my future examples, as you did with yours. Heh. Funny how that works.

    As for the money angle, it's a part of it, but that's more game-centric if anything else. Don't get me started on the Rocket Game Corner. Expect a mega-rant on that whenever I do the Erika episode discussion (again, jumping ahead, but the warning is needed).

    As for the falling Grunts, I forgot to put that in my previous post, so thanks for jogging me there.

    Again, that's the strength of this episode -- it set up so many opportunities, and the episode paid itself off magnificently, that we're still enamored of it, ten years later. Of course, it was the only Team Rocket organization episode for the longest time, so that's another reason why it endures.

    You mentioned on the Pokemon Tower, y'know, I've always felt their presence was an afterthought in the games. It never stuck in my mind like Mt. Moon, Celadon or Silph, or anywhere else, for that matter. I don't know why.
     
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    You're right. Then again, to be fair, it was partially Brock's fault that the trade happened (since Brock saying yes to trading when he didn't even LISTEN to Ash's question and was drooling all over the Gentleman's mistress WAS the reason why Ash even traded in the first place. Ironically, most people have formed some sort of Hate when Zoey due to the Buizel/Aipom trade [Esp. on TV.com, where they actually made an organizational club out of it {S.O.B.Z.}], and yet they turn a blind eye when Brock did the same thing in regards to this episode {and partially the episode where Pikachu was [almost] released.}), that still doesn't change the fact that Ash chose to trade, though.

    Brock doesn't pop up every other episode making Dawn cry/upset or just generally bossing her around. It's not the sole reason people hate Zoey, it's just another reason to add to the list XD
     
    Brock doesn't pop up every other episode making Dawn cry/upset or just generally bossing her around. It's not the sole reason people hate Zoey, it's just another reason to add to the list XD

    Well, Brock is special like that. Heh.

    Anyway, the Bulbapedia entry is really interesting, particularly this.

    When it aired as a sneak peek, it was not shown everywhere as some areas ran the annual Labor Day Jerry Lewis MDA Telethon instead.

    https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/EP015

    Now I don't feel so bad over my scheduling mismanagement a few weeks ago. Heh.

    My focus will shift to the writer, Yukiyoshi Ōhashi, once I clear my head. Lots of gushing, I should warn you, but I was delighted by this information. Before I go on, I need to do my research first.
     
    Brock doesn't pop up every other episode making Dawn cry/upset or just generally bossing her around. It's not the sole reason people hate Zoey, it's just another reason to add to the list XD

    Maybe Brock doesn't, but Ash does boss Dawn around as well. The beginning part in the episode where Nando appears (not to mention the majority of the episode) comes to mind, and I'm surprised that people don't hate Ash for that as well. Actually, having him do that in every episode (well, I don't know if Ash does it in every episode, since I stopped watching DP at the first Oreburgh Gym battle, but still.) would actually be far worse than just popping up in an episode doing just that. Besides, she moreorless suggested doing these things, not actually bossed her.

    Besides, I was more commenting on how some fans use the Aipom/Buizel trade as their reason for their hate towards Zoey, rather than Zoey Haters as a whole.
     
    Great episode. I think it was the first ever English dub episode broadcast as well.

    Has some of the funniest Pokemon moments ever. The bit at the start where James keeps saying "cool" everytime still makes me laugh. And the old Irish Sea Captain at the end, "There's nothing to worry about", "I'm just going to test these lifeboats". Fantastic stuff.
     
    Great episode. I think it was the first ever English dub episode broadcast as well.

    And the old Irish Sea Captain at the end, "There's nothing to worry about", "I'm just going to test these lifeboats". Fantastic stuff.

    Yeah, it was. I understood why they did it, as the first handful of episodes take a while before the series takes off (as what Dogasu said), but it was a tad jarring in terms of the cliffhanger. Of course, I'll still shake my fist at the episode because of said timing (because of what happened here). Oh, well, I'm consoled by the fact if 4Kids/Nintendo had not done this scheduling, the episode would have aired as normal (Sept 25th). And, I did view this when it first aired at 6:30 AM. Heh. Man, those syndicated schedules were off. Heh.

    Alright, enough of my whining on that.

    Oh, the Sea Captain was most amusing, and I wish he could return. "Looks like we're going to die, so I'm no longer Captain and the responsibilty is on the kid with the yellow rat on his shoulder. Therefore, all blame is all on him, bye-bye!"

    I really hope he comes back. If the Magikarp salesman can return, the Captain could.
     
    And the old Irish Sea Captain at the end, "There's nothing to worry about", "I'm just going to test these lifeboats". Fantastic stuff.

    Completely the opposite of how Irish people would act. But that's probably one of the reasons I thought it was funny.

    The best thing about the episode though: Mass Thunder Attacks rule!
     
    The best thing about the episode though: Mass Thunder Attacks rule!

    Really? I was split between the mini Flamethrowers and the mini tornado actually inside the cabin. The tornado crashing through the ship's roof is one of my favorite destruction scenes (don't know why).
     
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